I Will Believe In Myself: Miles "Tails" Prower Support Thread

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Tails was one of favorite video game character when I was a kid. I was hoping to see him in brawl so much when I heard Sonic was in the game. Unfortunately, I didnt got my boy Tails. Didnt care to see him in smash 4 because i lost my interested in him. But right now my 8 years old self would LOVE to see him in ultimate as a DLC
 

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We just don't have enough support ultimately. It stinks but why should Tails be in the series? The Sonic fanbase is too divided to agree on anyone to be with Sonic.
I don't know man, after shadow was revealed to be an assist,
many of those fans wanted Tails now, despite i personally knew
he'd return as one.
and Eggman only got talked about after that, not before.
 

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Lol no company is "earning" of a character in Smash Bros. Sakurai doesn't have to give them **** if he doesn't want to.
Well if I was Ubisoft and Nintendo had that mentality, I would go put all of my games as Sony and/or Microsoft exclusives. Good bye Assassin's Creed, Rayman, Prince of Persia, Just Dance, Far Cry, etc. Ubisoft has 0 reps but Konami has 3.

Rayman fits well. He has that cartoonly luck similar to Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, all of the Pokemon, Star Fox, etc. He also has a GREAT moveset potential.
 
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Well if I was Ubisoft and Nintendo had that mentality, I would go put all of my games as Sony and/or Microsoft exclusives. Good bye Assassin's Creed, Rayman, Prince of Persia, Just Dance, Far Cry, etc. Ubisoft has 0 reps but Konami has 3.

Rayman fits well. He has that cartoonly luck similar to Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, all of the Pokemon, Star Fox, etc. He also has a GREAT moveset potential.
Yeah cause they're gonna be that salty about not participating in one game of theirs, ignoring the other Nintendo collabs they've done.
 

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Yeah cause they're gonna be that salty about not participating in one game of theirs, ignoring the other Nintendo collabs they've done.
It is a great negotiation strategy that I use at work all the time called "take it or leave it." Honestly, if I was Ubisoft, I would see it as a slap in face that Rayman is just a spirit while my competitors are getting their top characters into the greatest cross-over game out there.
 

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I don't know after that joker reveal i just don't see sega getting another rep. I want to be wrong but it just feels like sega is out of the running at least for THIS dlc pack. Unless they decide to do an all sega pack for the first round of dlc but i don't see that happening.
 

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I don't know after that joker reveal i just don't see sega getting another rep. I want to be wrong but it just feels like sega is out of the running at least for THIS dlc pack. Unless they decide to do an all sega pack for the first round of dlc but i don't see that happening.
i dont see why character from one company would prevent another one from the same company getting in
 
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It's just a fan rule, which don't mean anything.
I mean its a little more than that.

Of course it still could happen, but its hardly a huge leap to assume that Nintendo would prefer to represent several companies instead of just doing the same one several times. When you only have 5 slots for DLC and most likely have more than 5 companies who would love to have one of their characters in Smash it makes sense to offer a diverse group to increase the number of people who will have something they like. Not to mention Nintendo even has their own stuff they might want to use. So it just doesn't seem all that likely that they would choose to bring two characters from the same company over other options, doesn't make it impossible but sure lowers any character that fits into that category's chances.
 

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These fan rules are simply based on precedent, and Sakurai can easily go against it. It was originally said that there could only be 1 character per third party company. This was broken by Ryu. Then, people said that there could only be 1 character per third party franchise, which was broken by Richter Belmont. And, now, people are saying that there can only be one unique character per third party franchise. Like the two prior examples, this one is breakable.
 

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These fan rules are simply based on precedent, and Sakurai can easily go against it. It was originally said that there could only be 1 character per third party company. This was broken by Ryu. Then, people said that there could only be 1 character per third party franchise, which was broken by Richter Belmont. And, now, people are saying that there can only be one unique character per third party franchise. Like the two prior examples, this one is breakable.
yeah sakurai does thing his way
 

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I think Tails would be a Wave 2 character, since at that point Spirits would clearly not matter and I have a feeling it'd focus on already represented series. That's your best bet.
I will be stunned by the end of Ultimate's DLC waves[depending how many we get] that at least 5 of those choices aren't
current spirits, there's just too many to Not include as characters. So when wave two comes, i expect to see some.
 

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you know i was thinking what would be his ultimate? Super tails with flickies? or the mech from the adventure series? a plane attack like captain falcon except with the tornado?
 
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I would ABSOLUTELY main tails if he got added in the challenger pack. I don't even care if he ends up completely broken (which is surprisingly likely,) I'm still maining him just because I love him as a character.
That should always be the main reason we should all want a character. A character we love. That's the reason why I wanted :ultkrool: before he got in because he is such a unique villain. I voted for him during the Smash Ballot and I am very proud of that. :)
 

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That should always be the main reason we should all want a character. A character we love. That's the reason why I wanted :ultkrool: before he got in because he is such a unique villain. I voted for him during the Smash Ballot and I am very proud of that. :)
I'm glad you got a character you wanted :D

Tails is my most wanted by far but I can't really complain too much now that I got :ultdaisy:
 
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https://nintendoeverything.com/soni...4-as-his-contribution-to-smash-bros-ultimate/

As much as people like to give Sega regulars flack for not remixing stuff from their own games, you gotta admit that it would have been a missed opportunity not to do Mega Man stuff. To think that a crossover from an actual American comic production inspired Senoue to do the 4 medley. :colorful:

Also, screw Archie for cancelling the Mega Man comic.
 

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Any news about a potential Mii costume for our favorite fox? Would love to have him as a character but that is very doubtful.

My computer messed up, please Mods delete the duplicates. Sorry about this!
 
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Ever since the melee hoax I've been wanting to have Tails in smash. I totally thought this was his chance in the base roster... Unfortunately I highly doubt he has a chance in the fighter pass but I have high hopes for a season 2!
I want Tails to be playable. If he isn't an assist trophy, they could be secretly saving him for DLC after the first 5 DLC playable characters.

I made a thread about Tails's possible inclusion here.
 
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I would be so hype for Tails, he's definitely my favorite Sonic character. I feel like he has a lot more to work with than most other Sonic characters due to his unique tails and mechanic skills. He can switch it up between doing spin dashes and chucking bombs or firing laser guns. I see a lot of potential in Tails, I think his inclusion would make a lot of sense because he's like the Luigi to Sonic's Mario. I know Shadow would also make sense and I want him too, but for me Tails is on top. I don't know why, but ever since I was kid I loved him the most, and for the longest time I thought he was a character in Brawl when that came out.
 

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At least there's Mario & Sonic Tokyo 2020 to kind of look forward to in Tails' future. He may not be duking it in Smash (I kind of expect the Tails mii costume to return in the coming update for a bit of a final nail in the coffin if Joker wasn't already that kind of (Not saying Joker was picked over Tails as I don't think that's how it works. But still feels rather unlikely to have 4 Sega owned characters), but at least he's still competing in sports with the likes of Mario & Luigi since 2008

I know the Olympic Series for the most part got stale for most. Especially when the best entries are still the ones from 2010 and 2012. But I oddly have some high hopes for this one just because this one is in Japan. Sega and Nintendo's homeland. I would think they'd put some full frontal effort into representing their own country this time around.
 
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At least there's Mario & Sonic Tokyo 2020 to kind of look forward to in Tails' future. He may not be duking it in Smash (I kind of expect the Tails mii costume to return in the coming update for a bit of a final nail in the coffin if Joker wasn't already that kind of (Not saying Joker was picked over Tails as I don't think that's how it works. But still feels rather unlikely to have 3 Sega owned characters).
weve got 3
 

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At least there's Mario & Sonic Tokyo 2020 to kind of look forward to in Tails' future. He may not be duking it in Smash (I kind of expect the Tails mii costume to return in the coming update for a bit of a final nail in the coffin if Joker wasn't already that kind of (Not saying Joker was picked over Tails as I don't think that's how it works. But still feels rather unlikely to have 4 Sega owned characters), but at least he's still competing in sports with the likes of Mario & Luigi since 2008

I know the Olympic Series for the most part got stale for most. Especially when the best entries are still the ones from 2010 and 2012. But I oddly have some high hopes for this one just because this one is in Japan. Sega and Nintendo's homeland. I would think they'd put some full frontal effort into representing their own country this time around.
I would love to see the costumes come in the next update. I enjoyed the Knuckles and Tails Mii costumes in Smash 4. They felt kind of like the characters. I say put Tails full face over the Mii face though.
 

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I would love to see the costumes come in the next update. I enjoyed the Knuckles and Tails Mii costumes in Smash 4. They felt kind of like the characters. I say put Tails full face over the Mii face though.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind it either. Not saying the costume is a bad thing. All the 3rd Party mii costumes from Smash 4 are not in Ultimate, it feels like they're just going to resell them at some point.
 
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Well if I was Ubisoft and Nintendo had that mentality, I would go put all of my games as Sony and/or Microsoft exclusives. Good bye Assassin's Creed, Rayman, Prince of Persia, Just Dance, Far Cry, etc. Ubisoft has 0 reps but Konami has 3.

Rayman fits well. He has that cartoonly luck similar to Mario, Kirby, Donkey Kong, all of the Pokemon, Star Fox, etc. He also has a GREAT moveset potential.
Also goodbye to all those sales to the many Switch owners who could have brought those games. Goodbye to all that money that could have been gained for selling already existing titles to a brand new audience.

And for what? To throw a tantrum over one measly character not getting in a game he was never promised? Yep, I'm sure the audience would side with the company with an already questionable track record abandoning them out of spite over literally nothing. I don't see how that could backfire.

Sorry if that comes off as harsh or rude. Being a jerk isn't the intent, but a hard play like "take it or leave it" deserves an equal reaponse. Plain and simple, pulling out of a market over something trivial would be bad business.

At least there's Mario & Sonic Tokyo 2020 to kind of look forward to in Tails' future. He may not be duking it in Smash (I kind of expect the Tails mii costume to return in the coming update for a bit of a final nail in the coffin if Joker wasn't already that kind of (Not saying Joker was picked over Tails as I don't think that's how it works. But still feels rather unlikely to have 4 Sega owned characters), but at least he's still competing in sports with the likes of Mario & Luigi since 2008

I know the Olympic Series for the most part got stale for most. Especially when the best entries are still the ones from 2010 and 2012. But I oddly have some high hopes for this one just because this one is in Japan. Sega and Nintendo's homeland. I would think they'd put some full frontal effort into representing their own country this time around.
I don't believe there is any sort of limit to how many characters a company can include. If Nintendo wants a fourth Sega character, there's nothing to really stop them. With that said, it's not really anything likely and sadly Tails is just as much a long shot as ever before. Of course, stranger things have happened so there is a chance regardless.
 
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Also goodbye to all those sales to the many Switch owners who could have brought those games. Goodbye to all that money that could have been gained for selling already existing titles to a brand new audience.

And for what? To throw a tantrum over one measly character not getting in a game he was never promised? Yep, I'm sure the audience would side with the company with an already questionable track record abandoning them out of spite over literally nothing. I don't see how that could backfire.

Sorry if that comes off as harsh or rude. Being a jerk isn't the intent, but a hard play like "take it or leave it" deserves an equal reaponse. Plain and simple, pulling out of a market over something trivial would be bad business.



I don't believe there is any sort of limit to how many characters a company can include. If Nintendo wants a fourth Sega character, there's nothing to really stop them. With that said, it's not really anything likely and sadly Tails is just as much a long shot as ever before. Of course, stranger things have happened so there is a chance regardless.

Nintendo had that mentality in the 1990s and guess what, all of the third parties went to Sega, Sony, and later Xbox. That is why the PS2 dominated Nintendo's systems. Even to this day, it still seems like Sony is ahead of Nintendo. Nintendo's hubris such as what you pointed out above has cost them $$$ in the past and nearly driven them out of the console market.
 

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The new Sonic game should allow you to play as Sonic and Tails.

I’m not saying that they should add many playable characters, I’m saying they should add those two and make the full game playable with any of the two, like in Super Mario 3D World or Sonic Mania.
 
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Nintendo had that mentality in the 1990s and guess what, all of the third parties went to Sega, Sony, and later Xbox. That is why the PS2 dominated Nintendo's systems. Even to this day, it still seems like Sony is ahead of Nintendo. Nintendo's hubris such as what you pointed out above has cost them $$$ in the past and nearly driven them out of the console market.
That's apples to oranges, my friend; Third-Party developers turned to competitors for much more practical and economic reasons.

When Sega entered the scene as a viable competitor, developers joined on because it meant another audience they could sell to, after all, you can make more money selling your product on two platforms instead of only one. In addition, at the time, Nintendo was implementing some very strict rules for what can be published on their platform (primarily during the NES days) which lead to companies not only having to limit the number of games per year but also have to avoid including potential questionable material, leading to censoring games or not releasing them outside of Japan. It only made sense for a developer to look for a less-restrictive place to sell their work, and honestly, if Sega wasn't successful at the time, the support would have been minimal and even then, the developers didn't leave Nintendo outright, they just sold on two platforms.

By the time Sony entered the picture, developers were turned off from Nintendo because the company insisted on using a less-efficient and more expensive medium, the cartridge. Switching to CDs at the time meant lower production cost and the ability to make larger games. As such, the Playstation was a runaway hit which caused a feedback loop of developers seeing Nintendo as less profitable to sell on (due to the higher cost and lower consumer number) which in turn would make the N64 fall further behind in sales and thus become less of a priority to develop on. However, during this time, Nintendo's handheld continued to dominate and the Third-Party companies were still strongly supporting them in that department.

Really, what it boils down to is that developers will support what they believe will make them money. If a Nintendo system is easy and minimally expensive to develop for and the device has made good enough sales, then they will support it. The only time they pull the plug is when they don't see the profits being enough to offset the effort and cost. The Switch is successful enough and has a large enough audience that pulling out over something petty like one measly character not getting into a single game is still bad business.
 
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