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I agree. I think the general consensus was that Echos would be replacing Semi-Clones this time around, especially since we hadn't gotten entirely new ones since Brawl with Lucas and Wolf (Smash 4 and Ultimate only modified existing clones instead of creating a new Semi outright).
Nah, we got Roy in 4.
Maybe some of these could relate to some missing stages as well.One thing to take note from this is that Isabelle was already widely used by Nintendo before, as she appeared in Mario Kart 8 DLC. She was also one of the few characters to have a Mii Fighter DLC costume BEFORE the Ballot began. Don't get me wrong, she probably did good on the ballot, but most likely wasn't chosen by the ballot alone. I think further evidence to back this up is that she was paired with the Animal Crossing 2019 announcement. Seems more like a marketing decision than it was for a ballot decision IMO.
And yes, because she's not an echo and took up today's character reveal, she did take a "slot".
If we are to say.... have two more smash directs that both reveal two newcomers each (which is being generous enough already), that leaves 4 newcomers.
One of these 4 easily goes to a new Pokmeon. Vergeben said so and you can't really not follow the guy anymore after he continues to get things right.
Another one is the 2nd Square Rep, most likely Geno. That's the 2nd slot.
That really only leaves us with 2 new characters left. One of which could very possibly be a Tails/Shadow combination reveal. As for the last one, I'm not sure.
So here's a couple of things I've come to realize.
1. Any Series that has a song on the website already will not get a newcomer: Every newcomer so far has not had their series represented with a song on the website beforehand and has came with a song. I think this will be even more confirmed if they do infact, give us an Animal Crossing song next week. This means that I do not think that Skull Kid or Bandanna Dee will be getting in the base game.
2. Any Character that requires a new stage to come along with them will not be in the game: No signs of new stages and the fact that they were counted in the August direct I think really means something. You also don't need new stages for Pokemon, Geno, and Tails/Shadow. This means I do not think that characters like Banjo or Heihachi are going to be in the base game.
Of the remaining series that don't have music on the website, we have. (Excluding Bayonetta or FF, which has been confirmed to have no new songs),
(Mario Kart)
That's 13 franchises with 12 Wednesdays left before release. Not all of these series are confirmed to have new songs btw)
Of those 13, I'm predicting that at least these 7 series won't have characters tied to them.
While these 6 have a higher possibility. Listed from most likely to least likely.
I personally don't think that anything below Xenoblade will have a new character, but it was worth listing anyways. We'll have to see where they go in these next following weeks of September. I still think it's a little too difficult to put the puzzle together quite just yet. We need a few more pieces. But just thought I'd share this information anyways.
(mario ksrt) - Rainbow Road Stage (plz plz plz)- this one could be Ms. Pac-Man or Pac Maze. I would love to see both, Especially, Pac-Maze since I never played smash for 3DS.-Orbital Gate Assult or Sector Z. This could be a new character but I am not sure if I see a new character from Starfox anytime soon.
showed up. Once again, it's something the community may doubt that Tails can easily break through. Even if it takes until DLC to do it.I don't think we're getting any more returning stages until maybe DLC. Sakurai seemed pretty clear about the 103. And that might even be bad news for people hoping to get a character that would have to come with a stage. (Which puts doubt on Isaac and unrepresented 3rd parties until DLC)Maybe some of these could relate to some missing stages as well.
Do you have the a list of the week order the songs were shown off relative to character annoucements? That would help a lot. Thank you.
I think we would know if Isabelle was the last character. I think for the last character of base game. Sakurai will give a special notice "This next character is the final character in the game/base game" (They may just say game that might make us freak out that no DLC is coming and thus make the announcement of Ultimate's first DLC feel like more of surprise, but until Sakurai explicitly outright says DLC is not happening for Ultimate for whatever reason. We can still assume it's coming sooner or later) kinda like Sakurai saying final character prior to Bayonetta's reveal in the final Smash 4 direct.
Tails got a mii costume, Shadow did not. Tails definitely must of had some presence in the ballot being among the last Mii costumes.
Considering they still have yet to discuss the new smash mode, that ensures that there will be at least one more Smash direct. There is 100% certainty that there will be more characters revealed for the base game.
Probably Heihachi because he was a Mii costume too.
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It makes a good amount of sense. But I don't buy it yet as it can be edited/shrunken down and whatnot.Logically, you'd want all characters to fit in the boxart especially when the focus is "everyone is here!" You wouldn't want 1 or 2 missing off to the side. It would just be weird design for something like this. Obviously, there are two open spots on that side, with Isabelle taking one of them. If Verg is right about Ken and Incineroar, and Ken would be the "Final" Echo and placed next to Ryu, then it seems as though Incineroar would take the last spot on the side we've seen.
This is what both sides of the boxart might look like.
Considering he has gone quiet about a few things, I believe that the source that said there was an additional Square Enix character was either a faker, or had faulty information. Or...the first DLC character is from Square Enix.
For all we know, the boxart may not mean anything, but honestly something feels weird about it.
The September Direct wasn't a curveball. It was Isabelle. Last Direct was Simon and K.Rool. Each Direct has given us something that has been heavily considered based on credible leaks.
Make of it what you will, but everyone...and I mean EVERYONE who frequents these threads should be very careful with their expectations at this point.
) and try to get our Sonic character pack by requesting them both for DLC.
I'm sorry but... the biggest evidence here to it being the final roster is the fact that they have a pattern of 9 fighters showing up on one side, and 9 fighters on the other. They rotate back and forth. This is true all the way up until Corrin, who shouldn't be on the side that we see. However, it just so happens that the 9 fighters before Corrin consists of Ryu... and Ken is already heavily rumored to be in the game by Vergeben. If he's actually on the other side, then this lines up perfectly.
I agree with this, just keep in mind that the box art is a prototype, not the final product. it is very likely subject to change.
There is a major difference between 'denial' and 'skepticism.'
Just because there's evidence for one way does not imply that it is unabashedly right, nor is the other incontrovertibly wrong. Yes, it's a possibility this is it, I will completely admit that. But there is a possibility that this is not it, and it doesn't involve me looking at furniture or clouds to imagine answers. If this is it, I'll actually be fine with the roster as is - Ridley and K.Rool deserve it, and I'm loving Squirtle being back.
I would like that. I am just not getting my hopes up.
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Can you explain the Box Theory? Why couldn't the character be Skull Kid or Banjo-Kazooie or Geno?
The box theory + Verg's stuff also goes in line with the Music theory you've been pushing. Just not in Sonic's favor as you hoped. Unless by some miracle Tails is our final character. But based on music theory if it's not Tails (Which let's be honest is probably the case) then it's either a Gen 7 Pokemon, Elma or through some strange miracle an Earthbound or Kid Icarus newcomer.
So still going by this we won't get a Pokemon remix until the next character reveal. And even if it doesn't then that shifts to either Elma or Tails. (Remember according to this box theory Sonic isn't getting an echo. So Shadow's out of the running with this until DLC). But Pokemon's the most likely to get a newcomer out of what's left in the music theory.
i believe the idea is that all the newcomers for this game are all on one side of the box. so it'd need to be an echo fighter of a character that's not present on the side of the box we can see.
okay, i can see it kind of. it just comes off as strange to me how they split it, with all newcomers for this game on one side when they (almost) evenly split the newcomers across both sides of the box. it just feels weird. the quantity of new characters though makes sense with Sakurai's statement of "not expecting too many new challengers" in this case.
honestly my expectations were rather low to begin with. I have my wants, but I'm just happy for a new game. hell i'm actually excited for Isabelle, and she's not that hype of a character.
I feel kinda bad myself. I had gotten pretty used to the idea of Shadow being there, even if he wasn't high up in my most wanted.
I would like to point out that Isabelle was also an Assist Trophy, just like Shadow in Smash 4. Though you also make a counter-argument that Waluigi, Ashley and Lyn are all still Assist Trophies.I do definitely think Isabelle does bode well at least by a little more for Tails' chances
1. Isabelle is yet another upgraded Mii costume
2. Not a particularly loud support base compared to the likes of Ridley and K. Rool. But certainly a face of their franchise and likely a solid enough support base for Smash even if not as big as the aforementioned fan favorites
3. Not all newcomers that are somewhat cloned have to be echoes anymore. That's absolutely awesome for the fears of say Dixie Kong being relegated to an echo because Echo Fighters were started to be considered the only type of clone that could happen in Ultimate (Not counting veterans). If Dixie Kong can get her flying recovery it should just be about golden for Tails sooner or later. Combining Sonic's moveset with Dixie's potential recovery would be perfect for Tails.
Of course counters to this would certainly be that Tails isn't first party. So 3rd party clones may not get the same treatment. But we once thought 3rd party franchises couldn't get echoes or 2nd representatives in general until
I don't think we're getting any more returning stages until maybe DLC. Sakurai seemed pretty clear about the 103. And that might even be bad news for people hoping to get a character that would have to come with a stage. (Which puts doubt on Isaac and unrepresented 3rd parties until DLC)
Everything but Black Knight I agree with. i don't think Black Knight should be a character. We already have like what seven Fire Emblem characters? Even then if we were to get a chaarcter from FE I'd want a non-Swordfighter like Hector. I can see Black Knight being a boss in Spirts though.
I'm not buying the whole box theory. To simply put it here's a comment on Gamexplain's video on it to explain why I disagree with this:
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's point. I mean if half of the developers didn't know tha everyone is returning (assuming that's true) I doubt marketers will know the full roster.If that's true then damn.
