I foresee a controller problem for future tournaments

[Kio Iranez]

Patience is a virtue.

There could be ways around it. Yes, it will be hard to adapt, but if you don't try, then you'll never progress.

You've never been to a large tournament, have you? They take a while as it is. Do you have all the time in the world on your hands? Many don't.

 

[MookieRah]

M3D ***** this thread without being in it. Seriously, these guys run a well oiled machine of massive tournaments across the states and have done that since 2004. What makes you guys think they are incompetent or that they have any intent on removing diversity or forcing people to play on various other controller methods? It's ridiculous.

 

[Lgndknight]

really it's not unfair if you never had a GC controller, and got just as good with any other controller type. plus jsut use the online store or buy used controllers

 

[DraginHikari]

Really, it hasn't been tried to any extent as far as I understand, as far as I know there isn't very many Wii games that have had tournments to that extent. So there really it's hard to tell how much interference is really involved.

To me it just seems uneceesary to ban 3 of the four controller types unless it's been shown as impossible.

I'm not saying they will or will not be allow, it just seems like something that shouldn't simply be spelled out yet.

 

[Sliq]

My only argument against using wireless controllers is the factor of time. I don't care if you want to play with your wireless controller, because you will only be hurting yourself and others that demand to play with wireless controllers due to interference.

You'd only be hurting yourself, so do whatever you want. But tournaments already last 12 hours as it is, I want to spend my time playing, not waiting for some guys to sync their **** up.

 

[<π]

Not everyone's Wii remote has wonderful sync time like yours. Mine fluctuate from being sync'd instantly to taking a full minute to sync properly. I would say that after so many seconds of failed sync time, there should a pre-sync'd remote that players can use (or plug their Classic Controller into). Personally, I will be using a Gamecube controller 100%, so I'll sit back and watch.

LOL @ all people who mock MLG. Sure, they're not perfect, but they are only the biggest console gaming league around. Boycott the NBA and NFL while you're at it.

pre sync'ed wouldn't (or rather shouldn't) happen... wiimotes are too valuable and easy to steal.

And I for one think I'll be leaning towards the nunchaku + remote setting. I'm going to want my button settings to be ready for me where ever I go, no matter what set up. banning controller settings is flat out silly. If you have to plan an extra hour or what ever into your tourney to comidate massive one minute potential sync times. List "battery johns" under the so what list thats at the fault of the player. E for all proved that multiple wii remotes can function in close proximity and not interfer with one another so thats throw out the window.

It's a new game the comunity should adapt to it!

 

[Cless]

How many stations were there for Brawl at E for All?

And no one is going to ban customized setups. If they do that, that is truly stupid.

 

[Elec Man EXE]

How many stations were there for Brawl at E for All?

And no one is going to ban customized setups. If they do that, that is truly stupid.

It wasn't just Brawl at E4All. That was the big one, but I'm sure Nintendo had plenty of other Wii games demoing there as well. I know Galaxy was shown. And all of them used Wiimotes (most likely). Haven't heard of any problems.

I think they should at least try it before banning it. Do a "practice" tourney, where you have a number of participants equal to what a normal tourney is. Free, of course, so that if it does get screwy, loses out on cash due to the problems (Plus being free makes it easier to gather enough people). That info posted about Bluetooth interference is good, but thats bluetooth in general, not specifically Wii's. No telling if it'll react differently.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Wow people are really obsessed with MLG, someone even compared it to billion dollar franchises like the NBA lol @ them.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Wow people are really obsessed with MLG, someone even compared it to billion dollar franchises like the NBA lol @ them.

Hm. My bad. Care to name a bigger host for smash tournaments?

 

[DeuceBlade]

Hm. My bad. Care to name a bigger host for smash tournaments?

Just because something is the largest does not mean you can compare it to a giant organization like the NBA.

Would it make sense to compare that ridiculous cup stacking league to the NBA since its the biggest also? No, but I guess you could compare it to MLG.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Just because something is the largest does not mean you can compare it to a giant organization like the NBA.

Would it make sense to compare that ridiculous cup stacking league to the NBA since its the biggest also? No, but I guess you could compare it to MLG.

But you are missing the point. The point is that MLG is on its way. No one else is even close to forming such a league! MLG is getting video game competition out into the public media. Just because MLG is smaller than NBA/NFL does not give everyone the right to whine and complain about rules.

 

[DeuceBlade]

But you are missing the point. The point is that MLG is on its way. No one else is even close to forming such a league! MLG is getting video game competition out into the public media. Just because MLG is smaller than NBA/NFL does not give everyone the right to whine and complain about rules.

I don't think major league gaming will ever be as big as you think it will, and heres why:
Unlike RL sports, Games fade and die down. In 10 Years Major League sports will still be extremely high in popularity, but the games we play now won't, and eventually with technology rising everything will be done online gameplay wise, which will probably make people less likely to feel like attending Tournies.

While I do agree that the MLG "scene" is growing, it will never be big enough to spread to like local news status (Newspapers, radio, media), of course with the exception of like G4, and lame Mtv.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I don't think major league gaming will ever be as big as you think it will, and heres why:
Unlike RL sports, Games fade and die down. In 10 Years Major League sports will still be extremely high in popularity, but the games we play now won't, and eventually with technology rising everything will be done online gameplay wise, which will probably make people less likely to feel like attending Tournies.

While I do agree that the MLG "scene" is growing, it will never be big enough to spread to like local news status (Newspapers, radio, media), of course with the exception of like G4, and lame Mtv.

Go visit South Korea.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Go visit South Korea.

I'll pass, I'd rather not be destroyed by the neighbor country.

 

[MookieRah]

In 10 Years Major League sports will still be extremely high in popularity, but the games we play now won't, and eventually with technology rising everything will be done online gameplay wise, which will probably make people less likely to feel like attending Tournies.

Online tournaments will never replace regular tournaments. As long as there is a huge prize with lots of people attending, the good players will be willing to travel.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Online tournaments will never replace regular tournaments. As long as there is a huge prize with lots of people attending, the good players will be willing to travel.

Please read carefully, I clearly said, the more Online gaming, the less people will be apart of the Tourney scene. Think about it, most people go to tournies to challenge new people, and prove their skills.

But due to Online capabilities, it will reduce peoples urge to go out, when they could easily do the fighting online.

For example, If someone on these boards wants to challenge someone because they are arguing, they don't have to wait for a Tourney, they just have to get on wifi.

dun dun dun... so basically the odds of winning big prizes aren't always that big since the same people win over and over most of the time, so why go to a tourny, just go online. IMO

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Gaming tournaments are growing in popularity. Competetive gaming is still pretty young, no one can really say anyways.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure that if n64 controllers are still in production and buyable online (which they infact are), ten GC controllers won't be hard to acquire.

Online and tourney are totally different.

I'd MUCH rather attend a tournament than do on online. You meet people, you have a more competetive atmosphere, and more puplicity also.

 

[miller483]

My local Best Buy still sells new Gamecube controllers, so I'm pretty sure other ones would sell them. Or you could always go to your local used game shop. If that fails, then just buy one from Nintendo.com

 

[DraginHikari]

Online tournaments will never replace regular tournaments. As long as there is a huge prize with lots of people attending, the good players will be willing to travel.

Problem is some players don't get a choice XD

 

[MookieRah]

Please read carefully, I clearly said, the more Online gaming, the less people will be apart of the Tourney scene. Think about it, most people go to tournies to challenge new people, and prove their skills.

I fully understood what you said, but my statement still stands. Online tournaments are very hard to run properly and it is not nearly as interactive, exciting, nor as profitable as a big traditional tournament. Online tournaments somewhat remove that very valuable human element, and cause of that (and large pay outs) people will seek the huge game tournaments.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Problem is some players don't get a choice XD

More people have opportunities with online, another key factor.

I fully understood what you said, but my statement still stands. Online tournaments are very hard to run properly and it is not nearly as interactive, exciting, nor as profitable as a big traditional tournament. Online tournaments somewhat remove that very valuable human element, and cause of that (and large pay outs) people will seek the huge game tournaments.

You said that I said Online tournies would replace Regular ones, which I never said.

Also -- I am not complaining about how hard it is to manage a Tourney, Im simply saying that something like MLG can't possibly become as big as people make it out to be, unless it went in other directions (but that is beyond the point).

And about the pay outs, yeah Im sure people like getting paid by winning tournies but that group is not large, and when you think about it.. is MLG really a league.. or just a big giant team.

 

[Bli33ard]

Oh, snap! Tourneys = Ness.

Ness = RIP.

You'll have some Smash n00bs haxxing the internets for ultra violet purposes...

Nah, just based on the fact that wireless signals can be intercepted, I'm not happy with it! And GC controllers should be produced! I don't know what Nintendo were thinking! I'll use the GC controller for SSBB anyway, ha!

 

[AlphaZealot]

Please read carefully, I clearly said, the more Online gaming, the less people will be apart of the Tourney scene. Think about it, most people go to tournies to challenge new people, and prove their skills.

But due to Online capabilities, it will reduce peoples urge to go out, when they could easily do the fighting online.

For example, If someone on these boards wants to challenge someone because they are arguing, they don't have to wait for a Tourney, they just have to get on wifi.

dun dun dun... so basically the odds of winning big prizes aren't always that big since the same people win over and over most of the time, so why go to a tourny, just go online. IMO

Actually, with the addition of online, it is pretty likely that tournaments will grow, not shrink. We witnessed this phenomena at MLG tournaments, where a huge Halo 1 tournament wouldn't even crack 100 teams, with most tournaments being around the 30-60 team mark (120-240 people). The minute Halo 2 tournaments started happening the scene ballooned, where now most Halo 2 tournaments have between 150-250 teams (600-1000 people, though there has never been 250 teams, I think the most ever, including pro teams, is like 233 or something).

The reference to South Korea that you blew off completely would also provide you the proof you need, where Starcraft, a game that is almost 10 years old, is played by thousands competitively and tournaments get upwards of 50,000 people. Deuce, you need to do some research on this subject before posting I think, because you don't seem to understand how online capabilities keep a game fresh and drive interest in professional gaming, not the opposite.

 

[MookieRah]

More people have opportunities with online, another key factor.

I'm not saying online tournaments won't exist. I'm just saying the best will turn out for the real thing.

a game that is almost 10 years old

I'm pretty sure it came out in 96, which would make it 11 years old (soon to be 12). I may be wrong though.

Deuce, you need to do some research on this subject before posting I think, because you don't seem to understand how online capabilities keep a game fresh and drive interest in professional gaming, not the opposite.

I think it's a mindset thing. I'm assuming (if I'm wrong I'm sorry, not trying to make you out to be something you aren't) he is pretty casual and doesn't understand why someone would drive hundreds of miles away for a tournament. All I can say for those who haven't been to a large tournament is that it's an absolute BLAST. Lots of great times, lots.

 

[DraginHikari]

Nah, just based on the fact that wireless signals can be intercepted, I'm not happy with it! And GC controllers should be produced! I don't know what Nintendo were thinking! I'll use the GC controller for SSBB anyway, ha!

It's called trends in technology. All the of three console use the wireless setup now, the Wii in particular due to the motion sensory being so necessarily in the majority of their games. They had to at least make it compadiable with the Wii Remote and/or Nunchuck before they go to Classic or even the GC Controller.

 

[Bli33ard]

Oh yes, I'm not doubting that, Dragin, but because the wireless signals can be intercepted by members of the crowd, or at the very least making them all shuffled up, etc. (Interference, that's the word I was looking for)

 

[DraginHikari]

It depnds on the type of signal on how much interference you get...

 

[Marthmaster92]

I don't know where or when I read this, but I do remember a statement somewhere that they would re-release some similar controller just for Brawl. I don't know wether this is true though..

it'd be nice if they just released this:

I'd love to see it made.

 

[DeuceBlade]

The starcraft reference does bring potential hope, but one game out of thousands in one country does not really help.

While I am not saying Regular tournies are going to be gone, or that MLG will stop (doubtful with all their ads), all I am saying is MLG will never be as big as a real sports franchise, and yes the tourney experience will probably have both effects on it growing and lowering, as people start going online and winning alot they will think they are ready to win a tournament, or someone who only goes to tournies because its the only way to versus people, they will stop going to the tournies due to online play.

So it sorta works in both ways from the way I see it.

 

[gemini-saga]

Well With On-Line features I can play on tournament, since I have a Busy life ._.'

 

[SirroMinus1]

i bet nintendo will start making them again. maybe =/

 

[DeuceBlade]

Oh wow, I just realized those people were MODs, I think I will stop now, don't want to put a target on my head.

On T0pic: I don't see a future controller problem, although I do see the main idea of this thread. >.>

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Deuce, you need to keep in mind how YOUNG gaming competition is. Sports have been around for a very - VERY - long time. Gaming has only really picked up in maybe the late 80's early 90's - and I want to think even later than that.

There is no way to say it won't be as big. As far as I'm concerned, with how well game competitions are doing nowdays in so quick a time, and with countries like Korea nationally participating, gaming competitions will at least come close to the hugeness of sports.

I also strongly believe that the sports intustry is going downhill nowdays, but that's a different topic.

And how can you speak on the account of other people, saying that people who go to tourneys would rather play online? That's all objective wouldn't you think?

Let's say these people are only going to the BEST tourneys... WHY would you ever, as a respectable gamer, seeking competition, go to an online tourney instead? There is a social element that I can't explain, but I'm telling you that I myself would ALWAYS rather play real people face to face in the same location than over the internet, simply because I would be getting far more out of it, on a skill level, on a social level, on a mental level, and a physical level.

Also, remember that ANYONE can play online tourneys, the REALLY skilled people are often found at the real tourney events. Going online will put you against people with potentiel skill level FAR below yours.

Just my thoughts.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Deuce, you need to keep in mind how YOUNG gaming competition is. Sports have been around for a very - VERY - long time. Gaming has only really picked up in maybe the late 80's early 90's - and I want to think even later than that.

There is no way to say it won't be as big. As far as I'm concerned, with how well game competitions are doing nowdays in so quick a time, and with countries like Korea nationally participating, gaming competitions will at least come close to the hugeness of sports.

I also strongly believe that the sports intustry is going downhill nowdays, but that's a different topic.

And how can you speak on the account of other people, saying that people who go to tourneys would rather play online? That's all objective wouldn't you think?

Let's say these people are only going to the BEST tourneys... WHY would you ever, as a respectable gamer, seeking competition, go to an online tourney instead? There is a social element that I can't explain, but I'm telling you that I myself would ALWAYS rather play real people face to face in the same location than over the internet, simply because I would be getting far more out of it, on a skill level, on a social level, on a mental level, and a physical level.

Also, remember that ANYONE can play online tourneys, the REALLY skilled people are often found at the real tourney events. Going online will put you against people with potentiel skill level FAR below yours.

Just my thoughts.

Just a few things,

I said people who "only" could play with others by going to tournies, would cease going to tournies if they could just go online and play with others (yes this is could be subject to opinion but it could also be valid)

also -- I know the tourney scenes are huge, and that mostly skilled people attend, but that is subject to the rules of the tourney( I believe these do play affect on the game such as bannings, and no items)

and I think Brawl could include some form of ranking due to offline achievements similar to Mario kart ds. Which would allow you to match up better with people or higher or similar skill to you.

 

[TheKruskinator]

First of all, banning wireless controllers is beyong ignorant.

STEP 1: Use a wavebird against another player in a tournament using a wavebird.
STEP 2: FIGHT!
STEP 3: Switch your frequency to your opponent's frequency.
STEP 4: ?????
STEP 5: Profit!

 

[lethminite]

STEP 1: Use a wavebird against another player in a tournament using a wavebird.
STEP 2: FIGHT!
STEP 3: Switch your frequency to your opponent's frequency.
STEP 4: ?????
STEP 5: Profit!

... i'm not going to pretend i know about tournaments, but the wavebird thing has been covered.

chances are they people will try allowing wireless controllers (wiimotes, not wavebirds) and if it works, keep it, if it doesn't work, leave it.


as for the "will gaming leagues get big?"
in 25 years-ish of games, 1 has made it really big in one country out of millions, but compare that to sports, and of the billion games over thousands of years, only about 100-1000 are still popular.

i'd expect the same thing to happen for computers, as games evolve, some will get popular, and each time one does, the next will be even more so, starcraft was able to stick, as will others. not now, but in 10 years, or 100 years it will build momentum and will rival sports.

perhaps a game that acts like MTG, and evolves with it's audience, and release expansion after expansion, and only play with a set number of them on at any one time, along with he core game..... but now i'm close to ranting so i will stop.

 

[MookieRah]

but that is subject to the rules of the tourney( I believe these do play affect on the game such as bannings, and no items)

I would discuss this with you; however, this kind of discussion tends to take over a thread, so I will decline.

I will say that there will probably be an intermediate group of players that will emerge though. Kind of a semi-competitive group that isn't as strict with rulesets. Kinda like the Seribii of smash. I think a lot of the people that are on the fence between mindsets would take a great liking to a community like that.

That said, I would advise others with strong differing opinions to stay away from addressing this quote, because I fear it will erupt into a clash between casuals and competitives yet again. If it does I will start handing out infractions for spam and whatnot.

(yes this is could be subject to opinion but it could also be valid)

I think this was, for the most part, a misunderstanding. Myself and others thought you were saying that online tournaments would take over and that the large tournaments would cease to exist. All in all, I'm thinking there will be plenty of online and offline tournaments in the future. I don't think that either one would destroy the other, but some people would prefer one more than the other, that much is true.

 

[Not A Naruto Wannabe]

They most likely will re-release GCN controllers, but if not the classic controllers seem like a good alternative. MAYBE the nunchuk/wiimote combo

 

[Tony_]

I went on the Nintendo site just now folks. They do sell N64 controllers, but at an asinine price. They should be no more than 10.00 IMO. Also, Gamecube controllers are just as expensive.

Also, MLG is VERY bad for gaming tournaments. Seriously, the majority of games use wireless controllers and to get the proper accessories just to attend a IRL tourney to me, isn't worth the extra money for it.