Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
are there any characters that ganon can crouch out of grab range?
I doubt there are, but it'd be good to know
I doubt there are, but it'd be good to know
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
No, there isn't.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't think you can grab Jiggs with a normal grab, you must dash grab if she crouches. I seem to remember there was only a few frames in the beginning of the dash grab that would allow that.. so you have to do it earlier.
Linguini
Smash Master
Nah kage, you can't grab jiggs at all when she's crouching,just like sheik; unless the opponent attacks you while in the crouch.
Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
It is impossible to grab jiggs while she is crouching. I'm not sure, but I think the same also applies for sheik. But maybe the dash grab would work. I never feel like testing these things so eh....
Edit: oops, didn't read Linguini's post
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Meh, I was sure I've read something about it a few months ago about this.. I guess I was mistaken.
Linguini
Smash Master
kage i was gonna tell you i was down to team at apex but i just saw u already got a teammate. *tear* it could've been so glorious......
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
You guys need to team. For seriously.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Gah.. it's too late now.. I mean he's coming from the WC for the first time, I can't just leave him teamless when he's still sort of unknown to the community.. but believe me he is extremely good. =P Maybe better than me.
SwizzyUK
Smash Journeyman
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Anyone wanna hit me with some critique?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9eJJFj0jc
The guy I'm playing is top 3 in the UK, recently beat Fuzzyness, the UK number 1. There's a bunch more videos of me playing prof on the same guys page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9eJJFj0jc
The guy I'm playing is top 3 in the UK, recently beat Fuzzyness, the UK number 1. There's a bunch more videos of me playing prof on the same guys page.
Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
You were way too easy to read IMO. To fix that, I would say that you need to mobilize your ganon a bit more. Spend less time standing still. You were missing l-cancels.
I liked your chaingrab to ftilt on fox
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
@swizzy: yeah you have the same issue that I do... not mobilizing enough. start making dash-dancing a habit instead of idly standing still and use short-hops to perfect wavelands on stage more.
don't worry, i'll be practicing mobilizing my ganon with you.
@ kage: i just found out that d-tilt *****. i kept on juggling mango's falcon like 4-5 times with d-tilt lol
don't worry, i'll be practicing mobilizing my ganon with you.
@ kage: i just found out that d-tilt *****. i kept on juggling mango's falcon like 4-5 times with d-tilt lol
Linguini
Smash Master
Swizzy,the 2 main things you have to work on are stage control and edgeguarding. In regards to stage control, which is especially crucial against the higher tier characters, you need to maintain a comfortable distance from you and your opponent. The next step is knowing what moves are safe once you are in a desirable position. Retreating fairs are always good, but I saw that you lack uairs and tilts especially. Tilts are counters to sh nairs, and uairs are counters to sh nair and full hop nair approaches from fox.
When edgeguarding with ganon your going to want to find a comfortable neutral position where you feel as though you can cover the most options. I felt like you were a little lost in terms of this, although your edgeguarding techniques themselves were quite good.
Nice ganon though man, and BTW the dair at 1:01 broke my heart.......****ing PAL ganon......
When edgeguarding with ganon your going to want to find a comfortable neutral position where you feel as though you can cover the most options. I felt like you were a little lost in terms of this, although your edgeguarding techniques themselves were quite good.
Nice ganon though man, and BTW the dair at 1:01 broke my heart.......****ing PAL ganon......
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
**** just watched all of those **** matches...
your up-throw to platform tech-chases **** so hard mang
edit: n0ne, your ganon is so smooth and good. if i meet you at a major tourney one day, then we should do some team friendlies.
@ all ganons: I'll be steam-rolling west coast by the end of this year. See you all at a major tournament one day.
your up-throw to platform tech-chases **** so hard mang
edit: n0ne, your ganon is so smooth and good. if i meet you at a major tourney one day, then we should do some team friendlies.
@ all ganons: I'll be steam-rolling west coast by the end of this year. See you all at a major tournament one day.
n0ne
Smash Ace
Hey Linguini , i totally forgot. Some friends of mine here in the melee scene in Nicaragua told me they played u and all when they were over there. (Alfredo, Jose and Roger) Scene and hype is still hot here, and told me to say hi. Rodillazo doesnt even post anymore tho, i think.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Lol I think I will never understand Kage's play style, no matter how many times I watch his vids.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Lol how come?
spider_sense
Smash Champion
haha I dunno, it's just seems completely different from what I'm used to seeing. Ain't a bad thing though.
Linguini
Smash Master
jaja claro que me acuerdo de ellos! Pues solo Alfredo y Jose, no conocsco a roger. Cuando vuelven a la florida? Diles que se pongan en contaco con mi, porque eso fue ase como tres anos.
I used to not get it either but now I completely understand it. It's ****ing hilarious!
Kage even though we can't team( even tho I think you should ditch your partner), were def. doing team mm's again(post blunt)
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ya for sure! We need to do it!
In the first video, you tried to keep falcon off the stage(on the ledge) at a low percentage, was that a good idea? Is that considered stage control? and It wouldn't be a good idea to try that with a fox right? because they could jump shine you into a combo etc.. ?
nicaboy
Smash Champion
the second best player there is a ganon right? the first a fox? I was talkin to the ganon awhile back
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I do it vs every character.. because as soon as they are off stage, it's always an opportunity to edgeguard. And of course Falcon has a crap recovery so.. you want him off stage for sure.. It can work for Fox too. But make sure you have correct spacing at least, if not then it might not be a good idea to do it. Sometimes you have to fake it out as well.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Why the hell are you on the Ganon boards? Go away.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
Because I play ganon duh. Wtf are you talking about?
n0ne
Smash Ace
@ Nicaboy idk what characters they used at that time, like guini says, that was like 3-4 years ago i think. Jose used Ganon... He wasnt nothing flashy... but he was like real effective with his ganon.. .... playing only with bairs sometimes, lol. I think hes the one that used fox too tho. same story... nothing-fancy playing, smash-happy.. but REAL effective.
Alfredo used Falcon at that time if im not mistaken as he told me, but by the time i got to know him.. he was falco al dai... pretty good , but now hes back to falcon.. same story.. nothing-fancy playing, he has this like uber spacing to get a hit off him u got to at least exchange hits.
btw, Nicaboy? are u from here also?
@ Linguini yeah yo les digo, creo q voy este martes a su casa.. voy a ver q dicen. Pues yo pense conociste a Roger. No sabia. y ps aqui siempre esta fuerte la cosa con melee , mas o menos no hay mucha diferencia aqui de los Tops, mas q todo es cosa de spacing y mindgames... si miras mis videos puedes ver mas o menos de q estoy hablando , hay de mario y MI capitan, en las secciones de personajes repectivas. Creo la proxima semana grabare peleas con ellos, para que veas como estan ahora.
Talvez me puedes dar tu Input de mis vids tambien?
@ spider sense In Dorf dittos i think its extremely important to fight backwards, as in.. bairing a lot. Remember Bair > Fair (Priority-wise) It helps on aproaches also.
Situational , but, even if your oponent is gonna fair u, u can just turnaround bair... even tho fair has more range, bair will eat right through it. Bair CAN and WILL save u alot.
Very nice tho, altho i noticed u faired quite a bit, u almost didnt do angled fairs, or uairs. remember that u have various options, to aproach and cut through defenses.
Im talking about the beginning of the vid specifically.
Alfredo used Falcon at that time if im not mistaken as he told me, but by the time i got to know him.. he was falco al dai... pretty good , but now hes back to falcon.. same story.. nothing-fancy playing, he has this like uber spacing to get a hit off him u got to at least exchange hits.
btw, Nicaboy? are u from here also?
@ Linguini yeah yo les digo, creo q voy este martes a su casa.. voy a ver q dicen. Pues yo pense conociste a Roger. No sabia. y ps aqui siempre esta fuerte la cosa con melee , mas o menos no hay mucha diferencia aqui de los Tops, mas q todo es cosa de spacing y mindgames... si miras mis videos puedes ver mas o menos de q estoy hablando , hay de mario y MI capitan, en las secciones de personajes repectivas. Creo la proxima semana grabare peleas con ellos, para que veas como estan ahora.
Talvez me puedes dar tu Input de mis vids tambien?
@ spider sense In Dorf dittos i think its extremely important to fight backwards, as in.. bairing a lot. Remember Bair > Fair (Priority-wise) It helps on aproaches also.
Situational , but, even if your oponent is gonna fair u, u can just turnaround bair... even tho fair has more range, bair will eat right through it. Bair CAN and WILL save u alot.
Very nice tho, altho i noticed u faired quite a bit, u almost didnt do angled fairs, or uairs. remember that u have various options, to aproach and cut through defenses.
Im talking about the beginning of the vid specifically.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
well my family is from there I was born in the states.
Heritage wise yes I am. Wasnt born there though.
Anyway hence the name nica(duh)boy
My family lives all over Managua,bluefeilds,corn island list goes on. Hell i might know you
Heritage wise yes I am. Wasnt born there though.
Anyway hence the name nica(duh)boy
My family lives all over Managua,bluefeilds,corn island list goes on. Hell i might know you
n0ne
Smash Ace
Haha, alright. Im from Chinandega tho. But grew up in Canada, got back to living here again tho. I might be going again to Toronto, was there in January, and Im thinking of maybe flying over to Florida to visit to play all u guys.. Alfredo said there are a lot of u guys that play. Im not so sure tho. Maybe Im just talking big and all. They ARE my plans tho, i just dont know when. It get pretty boring here in Nicaragua just playing Alfredo Jose ,Roger and like 3 more guys.. scene got pretty small since brawl came out. Either have to go to Honduras or Costa Rica for Tournies.
n0ne
Smash Ace
2x post.
Off Topic, Personally, what do u think that is the worst/gayest thing that can be done to Ganon (in ALL melee).
For me, its getup attack. People who dont know how to play do it, imo. I DO understand sometimes it happens by accident because maybe u are CCing or something, but there are people that do it on purpose. Not only with Ganon, but with all my characters, that move is so dumb, has good knockback even if u are at 0%, and it messes up my metagame SO bad (Tech Reading/Chasing). i hate it.
Around here, theres a rule in friendlies that if u getup attack, u gotta suicide. It actually helps because that way u handicap yourself with that move and then, u can analyze and can get to know when is the RIGHT time to MAYBE getup attack.
Getup attack is SO n00b,and there are MUCH better options if u missed tech/dont tech on purpose.
I can tolerate chaingrabs, waiting games, camping, etc. But i hate when people get up with A or B. The forbidden move I like to call it.
Off Topic, Personally, what do u think that is the worst/gayest thing that can be done to Ganon (in ALL melee).
For me, its getup attack. People who dont know how to play do it, imo. I DO understand sometimes it happens by accident because maybe u are CCing or something, but there are people that do it on purpose. Not only with Ganon, but with all my characters, that move is so dumb, has good knockback even if u are at 0%, and it messes up my metagame SO bad (Tech Reading/Chasing). i hate it.
Around here, theres a rule in friendlies that if u getup attack, u gotta suicide. It actually helps because that way u handicap yourself with that move and then, u can analyze and can get to know when is the RIGHT time to MAYBE getup attack.
Getup attack is SO n00b,and there are MUCH better options if u missed tech/dont tech on purpose.
I can tolerate chaingrabs, waiting games, camping, etc. But i hate when people get up with A or B. The forbidden move I like to call it.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Bair is a great move, and it really will beat anything (or at least trade hits) when fully spaced, but it's not the key to dittos (dittos are mainly about uairs, bairs, jabs, and grabs). Uair ***** in dittos. It's the fastest aerial by far, and you don't have to pivot to use it effectively. Dittos are one of those matchups where losing an exchange can mean losing a stock. Fair is a great choice when you know you have a frame advantage on your opponent at the time, or if you need to hit someone above you (it reaches surprisingly high during the first few frames of hitbox).
Generally...
Bair beats Fair
Uair beats Bair
Spaced Fair beats uair
Also, I must be the only Ganon that chaingrabs in dittos. When I grab another Ganon on FD he's going to have over 80% and be offstage when I'm done with him (he's most likely toast). I want to see more of this. You'll NEVER miss the chaingrab if you focus on your character and use your peripheral vision to monitor your opponent's DI. That way you'll always be able to dash > JC grab as soon as the dthrow ends (close to frame perfect), which is often necessary at low percents (when they DI behind).
DUB
Smash Lord
Preferred Doubles Partner & Why?
Fox,Peach,..maybe Shiek?
Fox,Peach,..maybe Shiek?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
not that i've played many ganon ditto's (needs more ACE experience...) but i'd say empty hop to waveland jab/grab could really become useful. either leading to the chaingrab or a techchasing opportunity is great, and if the opponent has commited to anything other than moving back, it's prety solid, i'd suppose.
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
sup nicaboy! how's your ganon doin?
btw, i think ganon and falco makes a pretty good team like in this match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1F0LRZqLFs
as long as your falco partner understands ganon's spacing well, you both can ****.
btw, i think ganon and falco makes a pretty good team like in this match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1F0LRZqLFs
as long as your falco partner understands ganon's spacing well, you both can ****.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Nah bro, trust me I know. lmao I was just clowning around in those friendlies.
I'd like to Ganon ditto everyone that posts here in this thread, it'd be mad fun.
n0ne
Smash Ace
mmm... maybe because i like swithing sometimes in mid fight to playing defensively, i bair alot... especially when im up or down a stock.. this really help me.
spider sense that would be awesome i would like that too. I remember reading about a hack for playing melee on wifi on wii.. but i dont remember too well?
spider sense that would be awesome i would like that too. I remember reading about a hack for playing melee on wifi on wii.. but i dont remember too well?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Seriously, that would be so epic.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
i'm waiting for my opportunity to do that.
i think me vs spidersense would have so much moonwalking, if we got vids, people would think that it was playing in rewind.
i think me vs spidersense would have so much moonwalking, if we got vids, people would think that it was playing in rewind.
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
I think our matches would have quite a bit of moonwalking too.