Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[RedmanSSBM]

Cool thing I learned about today: If you're in the player 4 slot, right when you start a game and it says "GO!", you can waveland off the side platforms and on FD in order to get a head-start in movement.

Below are the number of frames it takes before you land on the stage, also known as how many frames you have to wait to waveland:

• Battlefield: 8 Frames
• Yoshi's and Fountain: 5 Frames
• Pokemon and Dreamland: 7 Frames
• FD: 9 Frames

Have fun practicing this one

 

[Bwmat]

linguini makes such good use of the dash attack.

also those chaingrabs on fox.

Damn.

 

[Coastward]

Cool thing I learned about today: If you're in the player 4 slot, right when you start a game and it says "GO!", you can waveland off the side platforms and on FD in order to get a head-start in movement.

Below are the number of frames it takes before you land on the stage, also known as how many frames you have to wait to waveland:

• Battlefield: 8 Frames
• Yoshi's and Fountain: 5 Frames
• Pokemon and Dreamland: 7 Frames
• FD: 9 Frames

Have fun practicing this one

i did this once on yoshi's and it got me a 0-death, was never able to replicate it because i didn't know how i did it in the first place lol.

in other news i finally got a CRT, which means i can practice now. gonna make a training regimen soon and post it on here to see if you guys think i should be added stuff.

 

[Coastward]

here's a quick tease on what i'm working on, nowhere near close might i add.

 

[Divinokage]

I asked mostly out of curiosity rather than doubt that there would be enough things for you to practice.

I'm starting to do this kind of with combos, thinking about all the options and finding ways to cover as many as possible in different situations. I have never really trained myself in how to respond to certain moves like this. I've obviously learned a lot from playing and watching the game long enough. But it's not the same.

You say train your Ganon flow first and combo flow second. You mean like train your neutral first and then your combo game? Is there a reason for training one first before the other? Cause I'm definitely doing it the other way around right now.

Ya because then its easier to see how you can start your combos. Once you know how to land the first hit in most situations then all you need to do is gauge how much stun your move landed has. So if you landed a dair, do you grab after? Do you nair? Do you tilt, jab, uair? or do you run away from the opponent? All those depends on the matchup you are facing because of their fall speed and weight. Its basically math from there.

 

[-ACE-]

linguini makes such good use of the dash attack.

also those chaingrabs on fox.

Damn.

Dash attack is super underrated. Don't forget how useful DA, side-b, and even down-b (when they jump) are in this regard: they can effortlessly reverse a bad situation for you. When you are at the ledge boxed in, think about a way to land a DA or side-b, and now you are the one pressuring HIM at ledge (possible ko).

And the CG is actually something he needs to work on. He relies too heavily on the uthrow hard read for DI behind. I try to reserve uthrow for traps. When I cg porkchops, like 5 regrabs in he is still holding away on FD. Those experienced with Ganons that can cg are hoping you'll Yolo the uthrow and they get away. Something to remember

 

[Renth]

I was recently messaged about my presence being missed here.

It is more realistic for me to fade into the shadows. I will always be watching, rarely playing.

 

[-ACE-]

I was recently messaged about my presence being missed here.

It is more realistic for me to fade into the shadows. I will always be watching, rarely playing.

Watch me kage bomb some b1tches Sunday.

 

[-ACE-]

http://youtu.be/DicfTaoceAw

0:34:48 Tipman vs Mojohnbo (falcon)
0:52:45 Linguini vs Mumbo (falco)
1:17:30 Tipman vs Happy Hydra (puff)
2:31:45 Linguini vs Blea Gelo (luigi)
3:06:30 The Ditto
3:42:50 Linguini vs Red1 (link)
4:06:30 Linguini vs Animal Control (fox)
4:25:00 Linguini vs porkchops (falco)
4:44:20 Linguini vs Blea (Grand Finals)

Think I got that right. Link may change.

Forgot to tag first set vs animal control 1:33:33 (body bag)

AND Tipman vs walmart shoes in the very beginning (rekt)

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Ayo @ -ACE- @spider_sense @ L Linguini and Tipman, lets do a Ganon Round Robin at VS, Fam

 

[-ACE-]

At Versus Ganon Center? I'm down but it won't happen LOL

 

[Coastward]

ganon RR's never happen LOL. unless there's some EZ $$$.

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

C'mon man, this gotta happen and I wanna be apart of it B)

 

[-ACE-]

C'mon man, this gotta happen and I wanna be apart of it B)

I mean, we can definitely push for it, lol. Maybe one day when there's only like 30 some people there but all the Ganons show up.

PS I'm hoping to provide some hilarious commentary if I get on the mic Sunday.

 

[VegiLohrd]

Ganon RR is the dream. The ditto is my favorite ditto to play and watch

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Cmon ace, convince @ L Linguini and @spider_sense to show up and play

 

[-ACE-]

Lol it would be cool, I've been playing them both lately. spider_sense is barely stronger in the ditto than rusty emilio currently. Half the times jason comes over we're even, the other half he wins 2/3. Emilio has a slight edge on me but it's really close. Haven't played tipman since the one close set I lost 2-1.

Now if I could just play other matchups like these guys lol. Just need some fine tuning and less SD's lmfao. Getting there.

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Ima start calling people out if this RR doesn't happen -_-

 

[Coastward]

so do you guys still think ganon cant chaingrab falcon efficiently or is that still a thing of 2006?

it seems possible at around 40%, just can't catch DI behind until super high percents.

 

[Divinokage]

so do you guys still think ganon cant chaingrab falcon efficiently or is that still a thing of 2006?

it seems possible at around 40%, just can't catch DI behind until super high percents.

Depends how you call the DI from 40%, can uthrow if you think theyll behind or downthrow if theyll DI away.

 

[Duel]

I've been thinking about the Sheik MU more and more, what is actually safe to throw out on a Sheik's shield? I know you need to be very careful in this MU.

 

[Coastward]

Depends how you call the DI from 40%, can uthrow if you think theyll behind or downthrow if theyll DI away.

i was experimenting a few hours ago and it seemed like you could regrab off of DI in front at around 40 from a dthrow. gonna experiment more and bring back more info soon.

 

[-ACE-]

so do you guys still think ganon cant chaingrab falcon efficiently or is that still a thing of 2006?

it seems possible at around 40%, just can't catch DI behind until super high percents.

DI away will make him safe at certain percents. And yeah forget DI behind. Uthrow for that and set traps.

I've been thinking about the Sheik MU more and more, what is actually safe to throw out on a Sheik's shield? I know you need to be very careful in this MU.

Grab

up-b

Fully spaced (tipper) fair, bair, ftilt, jab (buffer roll). Dtilt no, but still not a bad occasional mixup.

Depends how you call the DI from 40%, can uthrow if you think theyll behind or downthrow if theyll DI away.

You chaingrab with READS?!? Lol. Or are you talking about traps and scenarios where their options are limited?

 

[Coastward]

http://smashboards.com/threads/ganondorf-and-shield-pressure.414947/

here's a sneak peak of what i'm working on, nowhere close to what i have hidden away. thought i'd post it earlier since it's more general and it's really useful. someone of it may be slightly off since i rounded some numbers, but nothing too extreme.

let me know what you think

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

This Ganon RR better happen -_- with me in it

 

[Duel]

DI away will make him safe at certain percents. And yeah forget DI behind. Uthrow for that and set traps.



Grab

up-b

Fully spaced (tipper) fair, bair, ftilt, jab (buffer roll). Dtilt no, but still not a bad occasional mixup.

I didn't realize a fully spaced fair was actually safe though, that will be useful.

 

[-ACE-]

I didn't realize a fully spaced fair was actually safe though, that will be useful.

Yeah, if it's really a tipper you'll get away from her oos options in time. You want it to land low on her shield, and you may want to buffer a roll if he tries to punish.

 

[Duel]

Yeah, if it's really a tipper you'll get away from her oos options in time. You want it to land low on her shield, and you may want to buffer a roll if he tries to punish.

Sounds good, I find I am pretty good at the CG, my problem is actually getting a grab. What works on your common Sheik? Jab to grab?

 

[-ACE-]

ASDI grab her ftilt up to 30% or jab up till high%

Shield SDI and shield ASDI shieldgrabs.

Shield dash attack, brief pause, grab.

Jab to grab works when she doesn't DI the jab.

Tomahawk (underused out of plat wL -just land and grab)

DD jc grab. Requires precision but useable.

Fair her shield and dash +jc grab her if she shields for jab.

Dair to grab (there is no better opener than this)

Perfect wL +grab

Grab her up-b landing lag (when aerials won't kill or you don't have time to bair her offstage)

side-b to grab can work but side-b is way too risky in this mu unless she is in midair and cannot CC or ASDI NIL and punish. Dsmash can work but super situational and risky.

Any time she's in shield. Try your best to notice habits and adapt. You can literally just run up and grab them if they shield. Play the player, not just sheik. Try to get any edge you can.

At low%, DI everything away, shield DI and buffer rolls out of perfectly spaced approaches, and don't push situations that look iffy. The better your defense, the more grab opportunities per stock.

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Stop dodging me and convince the Other Ganon's to play the RR

 

[megacrusher9999]

Why do you want to watch a round robin so bad?

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Watch? I wanna play for the Exp, Fam

 

[-ACE-]

Watch? I wanna play for the Exp, Fam

Are you going next week? I'll train you some in the ditto if you want.

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

If there's a RR I will be there 100

 

[-ACE-]

LOL see you next year

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Str8 B O O T Y B O Y Z -_-

 

[Divinokage]

I just hope Linguini is able to enjoy the game again. I want to learn more from him about the Falco matchup he's super good at it.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

This is the only thread in the ganon forums lol.

 

[Coastward]

http://www.twitch.tv/coastward/

streaming some lab stuff

 

[-ACE-]

This is the only thread in the ganon forums lol.

LOL TIPMAN.

Welcome back lmfao.

http://smashboards.com/threads/techchasing-into-2015-metagame-and-theory.369684/

Check that out