Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[n0ne]

I main Akuma

Also, the Sheik match up is literally unwinnable if the sheik knows what they are doing. I love the match up, its fun.. but thats about as far as it goes.

U play usf4 on pc or console?

 

[spider_sense]

Get @ my Cody.

 

[Coastward]

ganon RR for usf4?

 

[n0ne]

Lessgo anyone that plays usf4 on pc add me smashfreak13

Get at my E. Ryu

 

[iRanch]

Last minute registered for Apex and booked my flight. LETS GO GANON HOMIES.

 

[Coastward]

really wish i could go ****kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

remember to body scrubs and then direct them to the boards LOL

 

[X WaNtEd X]

I'm not registering but the chance of me going is 50/50. i'll be there just to play friendlies and learn as much as possible. Also to party :D

Anyway, if I go and see any of you, I will probably approach you. I know what you all look like lol. I think I'm trash at the Ganon ditto so I'll hopefully learn a lot from that. Also I've never gotten advice in person from a Ganon that was better than me so I'm super stoked to meet top level Ganons. It's been a lonely road maining Ganon. Whenever I ask better players for advice at the end of a set, they usually don't know what to tell me because they're just like "I don't know Ganon at all lol".

 

[Superspright]

I'm going to be there. Already took off. Ride is arranged. Hotel is arranged. Paid.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I'm going to be there. Already took off. Ride is arranged. Hotel is arranged. Paid.

So excited to meet/hang with you!!!

We need a monstrous group picture at this, guys.

 

[Superspright]

Sounds like it's gonna be fun. The tourney is maxed out. I doubt we'll see 1k+ people but still...I can't wait to go through at least half of em.

 

[Coastward]

@ Эикельманн [РУС] come to canada soon please

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

@ Эикельманн [РУС] come to canada soon please

I support this statement.

Just not the French part of Canada. Or the West part of Canada. Or the oceany part of Canada.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I'd love to finally come to Canada! I'll add it to my list of places to hit up. Does Ontario have cheap, reliable ways to get to Alberta? Like via bus?

 

[Coastward]

I'd love to finally come to Canada! I'll add it to my list of places to hit up. Does Ontario have cheap, reliable ways to get to Alberta? Like via bus?

i think a greyhound to alberta is like $80?

dont quote me on that though, but im pretty confident that it isnt THAT expensive.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I'd love to finally come to Canada! I'll add it to my list of places to hit up. Does Ontario have cheap, reliable ways to get to Alberta? Like via bus?

i think a greyhound to alberta is like $80?

dont quote me on that though, but im pretty confident that it isnt THAT expensive.

A quick search on greyhound.ca looking for a ticket from Toronto to Calgary for July 15th (random summer date) showed prices ranging from $123.50 to $231.50 Canadian

 

[Renth]

I'd love to finally come to Canada! I'll add it to my list of places to hit up. Does Ontario have cheap, reliable ways to get to Alberta? Like via bus?

Let me know when you go, I've been wanting to go for awhile now.

 

[Coastward]

if both of you came to canada at the same time, id die.

 

[RedmanSSBM]

I hope to make a Ganondorf guide much like CunningKitsune's guide for Fox at the end of this year. Or maybe a combo video. Or maybe both. I just want to do something cool for this game

 

[Divinokage]

Let me know when you go, I've been wanting to go for awhile now.

Shiett 2 new Ganons in Canada would be incredible! =D

@ Эикельманн [РУС] However Toronto to Alberta I imagine is a HUGE trip by bus. Minimum 1 day lol.

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Looks like there's almost no chance of going to Apex for me anymore

But I'm going to this Vermont tournament next Sunday that apparently @ Divinokage is also attending according to the Facebook event.

 

[iRanch]

So who all of us Ganons are actually going to Apex?

 

[Divinokage]

Looks like there's almost no chance of going to Apex for me anymore

But I'm going to this Vermont tournament next Sunday that apparently @ Divinokage is also attending according to the Facebook event.

Yep that's correct. At least you'll get to play me perhaps?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Yep that's correct. At least you'll get to play me perhaps?

I imagine so. Aside from friendlies, we'll probably meet up in bracket. I won this thing last time when no one good was there so I think I'll probably get 4th behind you, MDZ, and Tian.

 

[Divinokage]

I imagine so. Aside from friendlies, we'll probably meet up in bracket. I won this thing last time when no one good was there so I think I'll probably get 4th behind you, MDZ, and Tian.

Are you sure they are going there?

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Are you sure they are going there?

Yeah I'm pretty sure. Tian was even challenging people to MMs in the Facebook event.

 

[cptjiggles69]

Anyone have a video of this ledge cancel up b?

Well, stating the obvious here, but rolling means you're too slow, air dodge means too fast / you aren't DI'ing on stage before pressing R / L.

The way I practiced was to go to hyrule temple and grab that one ledge because you don't die if you air dodge off... Makes things a little quicker.

Also, I love this edge cancel up-b thing. I don't think it'll have much value for characters with true spikes, but it could be a total game changer for matchups where your opponent holds the ledge to edge guard you (like falcon).

 

[Yort]

I won't be at Apex. I really wish I could make it to paragon and i'm beyond willing to make the spontaneous 6 hour drive but I don't have housing or any prospect of housing. So I won't be at either. I'll just pull a gravy and skip apex to practice all day or something.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Let me know when you go, I've been wanting to go for awhile now.

Word, we can body Canada together. Old apprentice and master team lol

YORT are you already signed up? I would be willing to house you for free.

And yeah WHAT RANCH SAID can we get a roll call or what

Here I'll start the list

Eikelmann -- Florida, USA
Ranch -- Florida, USA
Dragmire Jr -- Norway
Kage -- Québec, Canada

 

[Divinokage]

Yeah I'm pretty sure. Tian was even challenging people to MMs in the Facebook event.

That is incorrect, I asked MDZ himself and he said he isn't going so..

 

[Coastward]

Word, we can body Canada together. Old apprentice and master team lol

YORT are you already signed up? I would be willing to house you for free.

And yeah WHAT RANCH SAID can we get a roll call or what

Here I'll start the list

Eikelmann -- Florida, USA
Ranch -- Florida, USA
Dragmire Jr -- Norway
Kage -- Québec, Canada

bizzarro is going, and moy might be there.

 

[Moy]

bizzarro is going, and moy might be there.

I won't be at Apex - traveling and housing that far away exceeds my budget right now.

I'll definitely be cheering on everyone during the stream though.

 

[SwiftNinjaBlackMan]

So who all of us Ganons are actually going to Apex?

Im not sure if i count but im going just to watch and play friendlies my tag is Jimmies$

 

[Coastward]

ill be there in spirit.

also, kage keep in mind that if you beat bizzarro in your salty suite match, i owe toph $20 sooooooooo...

 

[cptjiggles69]

I thought someone would never ask. This is the exact thing that I am trying to implement the MOST into my Ganon play, as I feel it will have drastic improvements in my neutral game, and even punish game.

I believe that SH to perfect waveland is actually a lot more useful than people think it out to be. Ganon's waveland is fast, so you want to use it a lot to move around right? Wavelanding causes 10 frames of lag on the ground, but that's a godsend compared to his regular movement speed. Now, you can't really just SH perfect waveland all over the place, but you CAN use it to really throw off your opponent. For example, in neutral, if you got a read that a Fox player is just gonna dash dance, You can short-hop waveland in and ftilt them to close the distance on them and throw out a hitbox. Of course, you have to do this at the right time, but I believe the reward for doing so is really good.

I see a lot of Ganon's currently double jump in order to get that perfect waveland. Yes, that is easier, but you use your double jump in the process, meaning if you get hit, you are going to be easily edgeguarded without a double jump. It also looks really obvious that you are about to waveland if you double jump in place really fast and go for it. By short-hopping before you waveland, you disguise your intention to perfect waveland right after, and hiding what you're going to do next is huge in this game. You can do a lot of things from a short hop, and most of the time it's going to be an aerial, so if your opponent expects you to come down during a short hop with an aerial and shields, then you can perfect waveland behind them and grab, catching them by surprise.

But wait, there's more. You can use the momentum from the waveland and transfer it into a jump or a moonwalk, and use that momentum to get a really far out bair for a gutsy edgeguard, or to get that last hit in for a punish when your opponent looks too far away. When Ganon is wavelanding, that speed is faster than his running speed by a good margin, and doing it perfectly means you get the maximum speed. So basically, if done completely correctly, you can move in the air as fast as Falcon can, and THAT is a scary Ganondorf.

Even perfect waveland into jab is really fast and can catch your opponent off guard. There's a lot of cool mixups you can do; the possibilities seem endless!

I implore all of you to learn to short-hop perfect waveland more consistently, as I feel like it will be a huge step in a much needed direction for the character.

You can even skip the moonwalk but still get the pivot too for positioning!


So i have been mia for a little bit but ive come back better than before. Im getting very consistent with ganons movements and learning all sets of matchup tips. I cant do any events til after february though. Really want to play you again @ Coastward . Whats this about bizz being done? Sadface. Kage i have to meet you at some point! I hoe to be on here again more often guys. I now have a secondary falco too , sorry but i find the change fun

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

ill be there in spirit.

also, kage keep in mind that if you beat bizzarro in your salty suite match, i owe toph $20 sooooooooo...

Why would you bet against Kage in a Ganon ditto?

Come on Coast I thought you were smart.

 

[Coastward]

Why would you bet against Kage in a Ganon ditto?

Come on Coast I thought you were smart.

there was a misunderstanding between us, i wanted to bet on kage but he read is as AGAINST kage.

i just went with it to make things interesting.

 

[tm]

I'll be at apex

 

[cptjiggles69]

I'll be at apex

I wish you luck, play your heart out!!

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Anyone have a video of this ledge cancel up b?

I don't, sorry. It's quite a bit easier on battlefield, FD, and stadium if you do it reverse. On the others, you just recover early and pull back to edge cancel it. It's pretty tricky and I have yet to use it in an actual match, but the potential is there!

And good **** to Ian!!! Amazing play vs stingers and iori... And putting m2k's marth in its place haha. I'm looking forward most to the runs you and tm have at apex. Make sure you guys get on stream!

 

[X WaNtEd X]

Anyone have a video of this ledge cancel up b?

I don't have any videos of a Ganon doing it, but this is what it looks like when Falcon does it. It's pretty much the same thing.

That is incorrect, I asked MDZ himself and he said he isn't going so..

Oh that's too bad. I was just going off what I saw in the event.