Coastward
Smash Lord
i've been trying to burn into my brain ASDI'ing shines
also, holy **** how do you guys do RLDs so smoothly? i can't get the timing down, i either roll or air dodge to me death.
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
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also, holy **** how do you guys do RLDs so smoothly? i can't get the timing down, i either roll or air dodge to me death.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Well, stating the obvious here, but rolling means you're too slow, air dodge means too fast / you aren't DI'ing on stage before pressing R / L.
The way I practiced was to go to hyrule temple and grab that one ledge because you don't die if you air dodge off... Makes things a little quicker.
Also, I love this edge cancel up-b thing. I don't think it'll have much value for characters with true spikes, but it could be a total game changer for matchups where your opponent holds the ledge to edge guard you (like falcon).
The way I practiced was to go to hyrule temple and grab that one ledge because you don't die if you air dodge off... Makes things a little quicker.
Also, I love this edge cancel up-b thing. I don't think it'll have much value for characters with true spikes, but it could be a total game changer for matchups where your opponent holds the ledge to edge guard you (like falcon).
Coastward
Smash Lord
ok i got it figured out now, i wasnt jumping properly from the ledge. i really wish ganon had more ledge invincibility, so many ledge shenanigans would be viable.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
adam basically it's like this for rld timing. if you can waveland from ledge, you can rld ez. probably is that you have to REALLY be in tune with the timing. this is how i looked at it. instead of wavelanding forward, you're just wavelanding backwards into invisible space. it's literally the same exact timing. once your subconscious realises this, it becomes a lot easier. at least for me it did.
also you guys should start doing the pseudo-haxdash with ganondorf. if done absolutely perfectly, iirc it only has one frame of vulnerability and that **** is incredible for mixing **** up on fox/falco/marth/literally every ****ing recovering character. can't get enough of it.
also you guys should start doing the pseudo-haxdash with ganondorf. if done absolutely perfectly, iirc it only has one frame of vulnerability and that **** is incredible for mixing **** up on fox/falco/marth/literally every ****ing recovering character. can't get enough of it.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Wait a minute.. isn't that only possible in P:M?
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spider_sense
Your movement seems really good but I'm pretty sure you can maximize your punishes. You often go for jabs at lower % when you can go for grabs instead to get a better conversion rather than to reset to neutral so often. It's pretty rare I saw 60% damage combos+ I mean too. And Gravy's DI to survive my god... lolll.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Kage, Ian said later that he meant to say up-b. Notice all the ledge canceled up-b talk after that post.
Also spider_sense jabs and grabs at opportune times usually. If you have time later provide some examples for discussion.
Also spider_sense jabs and grabs at opportune times usually. If you have time later provide some examples for discussion.
SwiftNinjaBlackMan
Smash Apprentice
https://gfycat.com/GoodnaturedSlimyAmethystinepython could this work alot?
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Gotem City Vigilante
It's DI really dependent, so no not a lot, but sure sometimes. I get it occasionally and it's always sweet lol.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Yea lol, it works if your opponent sucks at this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074ckJE8SEQ#t=2m31s
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spider_sense
nice! I love that both of the hits connected too. After seeing this, I really wanna implement up smash oos in my game. More use for up smash (not oos): sometimes, I like to use it when you're center stage and your opponent is in the air, but in the air over the ledge (maybe after you hit them with an up air or something). Occasionally, when you run toward them, they will double jump towards center stage because they fear an aerial, so stop short, don't throw out an aerial, just up smash. For some reason, this works best vs peaches. I have no idea why... maybe because all of the peaches I play are scrubs.
On another note, I'm absolutely loving all of this new ganon tech. So far, up smash oos seems very viable, as does the edge cancelled up-b. I can't really get it consistently on dream land / FoD though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074ckJE8SEQ#t=2m31s
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spider_sense
nice! I love that both of the hits connected too. After seeing this, I really wanna implement up smash oos in my game. More use for up smash (not oos): sometimes, I like to use it when you're center stage and your opponent is in the air, but in the air over the ledge (maybe after you hit them with an up air or something). Occasionally, when you run toward them, they will double jump towards center stage because they fear an aerial, so stop short, don't throw out an aerial, just up smash. For some reason, this works best vs peaches. I have no idea why... maybe because all of the peaches I play are scrubs.On another note, I'm absolutely loving all of this new ganon tech. So far, up smash oos seems very viable, as does the edge cancelled up-b. I can't really get it consistently on dream land / FoD though.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
People call me a grab happy monster though. :/ You're right though, I need to make my punish game harder; I'm working on it.Wait a minute.. isn't that only possible in P:M?
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Renth
Smash Hero
I came up with some extremely useless smash 4 ganondorf techniques
add lunacyrenth on wii u and i'll show you the true garbage that is ganonderp
add lunacyrenth on wii u and i'll show you the true garbage that is ganonderp
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Sorry but I touched the game and now never again. I can't believe it's actually worse than Brawl and I was saying so often that can't be possible. >_<
Anyways.. I actually find it funny recently I've been watching a lot of aspiring smashers trying to get better and every time I watch those videos there's always one BIG weakness they have in their gameplay at least from what I see and there's also the huge issue that players have where they have a weird definition of what smash actually is. Because of that it hurts their growth tremendously and get stuck in plateaus pretty quickly I'd say. Example, we used to so often say that "Back Jump Fair" is the only thing Ganon can do and you know what? I can actually see that in people's play and try to use that move as an approach option or randomly. There's so many definitions going around it's ridiculous...
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GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
So after a year of not name searching myself I come accross this
That's not what happened at all. Please don't twist my words to make me look bad to a forum of smashers. That's messed up dude.
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Renth
Smash Hero
We don't take a handful of things he says too seriously, he's passive aggressive and exaggerates a lot.
Don't take it too seriously Gimr, we all are very happy with the service you provide.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Name searching is wack. One year without it is respectable.
Are you saying that smash 4 in general is worse than brawl? Or Ganondorf is worse than brawl ganondorf?
I've played smash 4 ganondorf and by no means is he good but I do believe he is way above the level that brawl ganondorf was - one read is death usually
Yeah against peach, puff, and sometimes marth, if I read that they'll move above me / over me / come down with a defensive aggressive aerial, I'll upsmash like that. Doesn't have amazing priority but the potential reward is gigantic (kill at about 70)
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Coastward
Smash Lord
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
http://imgur.com/Njtiiod,7k9XqeA#0
i ain't puttin **** in your mouth dude. your words were literally "i don't find that interesting" and that implies that you don't find me interesting. which is fine, because yeah, it is your stream, so after that was settled i gave up on the idea.
nice try though.
if i was passive aggressive, i wouldn't be making this ****ing post lmao speak for yourself dude.
k so aside from all of this dumb bull****, figured i'd give some updates on what i've been doing. currently hitting up a few tournaments in tampa this week to try and prepare for the big monthly event in orlando. spider sense, myself and maybe renth (?) are going so hopefully some good footage will come out of saturday.
at the very least i'm hoping jason gets on stream a bunch.
but yeah, any lurking florida ganondorfs planning to hit up the orlando monthly? make yourselves known, etc
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
Yep that's exactly what I'm saying. I actually played Brawl competitively for 1 year intensively but then as time went on I figured it wasn't a game for me anymore as I couldn't play a style I wanted. But then Smash 4 from the start, it was blatantly obvious that there's nothing to discover and it's just a simple game.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Loooool, get exposed GimR.
Laharl's_Wrath
Smash Apprentice
Every time I tell someone I think Smash 4 is worse than Brawl I get called crazy or a melee elitist to the point where I was seriously starting to think I was the only one who thought that, it's nice knowing I'm not alone in my thoughts
I'll only really touch Smash 4 now because it's something to play with people online
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
You asked to play Armada in the salty suite. I said that match wasn't interesting enough. I said I prefer matches with some sort of history or rivalry. You then told the ganonboards that I said YOU weren't interesting enough to be on stream. That's twisting my words.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
k
Any other Ganondorfs hitting up tournaments this week?
Also rous, why do you think Brawl > 4? Personally I feel like Ganondorf is a lot better. Moving around feels smooth and almost even fast.
Actually I remember you hitting up a brawl tournament. Remember CoT4?
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PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
GIMR VS. EIKELMANN SALTY SUITE????
Loooool. But yea, tm, forgot to mention that it works well on Marth also. High risk / high reward. I wasn't aware that it would be so good vs puff, but that makes a ton of sense because of her ****ty vertical mobility. Good call.
Where're my Orlando boys at? Ian, obviously I know you're there. But Dave? Spidey? I'm gonna be in Orlando for a little bit (one day, max) in January and I might (keyword: BIG might) have time to chill with you folks and have a WF spike competition. I'll keep you all posted.
Loooool. But yea, tm, forgot to mention that it works well on Marth also. High risk / high reward. I wasn't aware that it would be so good vs puff, but that makes a ton of sense because of her ****ty vertical mobility. Good call.
Where're my Orlando boys at? Ian, obviously I know you're there. But Dave? Spidey? I'm gonna be in Orlando for a little bit (one day, max) in January and I might (keyword: BIG might) have time to chill with you folks and have a WF spike competition. I'll keep you all posted.
Coastward
Smash Lord
played a **** ton of friendlies today
finally implemented wdoos into my game now that i'm able to do it consistently, still struggle a bit against falco though.
my shield drops are on point, like, theyre so clean now it makes me ****ing rock hard. everyone needs to pick this up.
marth was ****ing me over today, i usually dont struggle that much against him. i kept getting grabbed and i just wasnt DI'ing anything correctly. it was hard for me to keep him out for some reason, i wish i could have recorded it all.
stoked to show you guys how much i've leveled up at sweet prologue. ever since i played with kage 2 weeks ago, i've been so motivated.
finally implemented wdoos into my game now that i'm able to do it consistently, still struggle a bit against falco though.
my shield drops are on point, like, theyre so clean now it makes me ****ing rock hard. everyone needs to pick this up.
marth was ****ing me over today, i usually dont struggle that much against him. i kept getting grabbed and i just wasnt DI'ing anything correctly. it was hard for me to keep him out for some reason, i wish i could have recorded it all.
stoked to show you guys how much i've leveled up at sweet prologue. ever since i played with kage 2 weeks ago, i've been so motivated.
SwiftNinjaBlackMan
Smash Apprentice
I just watched this ....... jesus christ kage(btw do you still play on netplay?)
Guys. Gimme the tips.
tm vs soul (fox)
Before rewatching it, these are the things I remember telling myself at the end of the set:
- when shielding, hold left/right so I don't have no DI for his uthrow
- stop trying to CC the jab (in jab ->usmash) on reaction, instead just DI away
- more passive pressure (throw out less moves both in neutral and after getting hit. He was much more patient than I'm used to and would just wait for me to whiff stuff)
I'll rewatch it at some point and draw more conclusions. In the meantime if you guys have tips that'd be awesome, as I have exams to go study for.
tm vs soul (fox)
Before rewatching it, these are the things I remember telling myself at the end of the set:
- when shielding, hold left/right so I don't have no DI for his uthrow
- stop trying to CC the jab (in jab ->usmash) on reaction, instead just DI away
- more passive pressure (throw out less moves both in neutral and after getting hit. He was much more patient than I'm used to and would just wait for me to whiff stuff)
I'll rewatch it at some point and draw more conclusions. In the meantime if you guys have tips that'd be awesome, as I have exams to go study for.
Coastward
Smash Lord
god damn i love the shield drops
two main things i noticed were:
1) you gotta figure out when and where to throw out moves. a lot of times, you flopped on opportunities because you threw the wrong move out which was a poor option, or you mistimed it on shield which led to you getting punished. you always faired above his shield which gave him more time to react to it, and you missed a couple of edgeguards too.
2) SDI shines and uairs. you got hit by a lot of uairs. i understand not DI'ing uthrow since it's hard to react to because of how fast it is, but you have the time to prepare for the SDI since you know it'll be coming. not too much to worry over, just keep it in mind.
you definitely had that last game though, maybe it was nerves with the move placements but it kinda bit you in the butt.
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
Shiny don't be dumb lol
Adam that's good **** dude
Joe you have my Facebook. Ranch and I would love to hang with another gbro.
Adam that's good **** dude
Joe you have my Facebook. Ranch and I would love to hang with another gbro.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I will restart really soon. I was playing at the weekly today and I'm on fire this week. I finally found my spirit again and when that happens it's hard to get stopped. =P
That's good @
Coastward
, let that spirit burn.@
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Ya CoT 4, I played there.. terrible tournament omg. Smash 4 for me isn't about Ganon or anything, it's just that the game feels too shallow and not what I would expect from a fighting game.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
Lol shiny I laughed pretty hard
Rous Idk about legitimate fighting game but I'm detirmined to be the best Ganondorf in every fighting game that he's in, so it's not even a matter of if I enjoy the game or not.
Rous Idk about legitimate fighting game but I'm detirmined to be the best Ganondorf in every fighting game that he's in, so it's not even a matter of if I enjoy the game or not.
Thank you, thank you *bows* I'll be here all week.
And then probably for even more weeks after that.
Basically I'll be here as long as this thread is alive, definitely my favourite thread on Smashboards since the Brawl Tier List thread's peak.
You guys are awesome.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
That's hard especially when you've got specialists that do use Ganon and can improve at a much faster rate because they focus on one game only. Personally, just getting better at Melee and SF4 together uses too much time already and is really difficult to juggle both games.
Coastward
Smash Lord
played more friendlies, ACTUALLY PUNISHED MARTH FSMASH ON SHIELD!!!1
went positive against a ranked player too, feeling good. any tips on avoiding marth grabs without retreating to platforms?
went positive against a ranked player too, feeling good. any tips on avoiding marth grabs without retreating to platforms?
Moy
Where's the coffee cake?
Any advice on keeping up with faster characters on Stadium, mainly Fox and Falcon?
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
If they're dash dancing near you, chances are they're going to go for a grab or bait a roll. If you're in shield, roll / wavedash away (or wavedash in --> jab if you definitely have the read- just watch out for the fair). Wavedash back --> ftilt is something I like to do to make sure your opponent keeps their distance. Keep in mind that rolling back on a smaller stage usually means giving him center stage, so it can be a tough call. Sometimes a full hop oos is preferable. Rolling into Marth is seldom a good idea.
How'd you punish fsmash on shield, out of curiosity? My favorite is wavedash oos into grab or a quick up air (you can catch him on your way up, believe it or not). Usually they don't expect the up air, so their di isn't getting inputted and it can be a cool mixup at higher percents. You can obviously also just grab if they space it terribly.
Other than that, just try not to stay in shield too much. Marth can be scary and make you wanna throw up your shield because of the huge hitboxes. Try and learn when to crouch cancel because dtilt is amazing vs marth if you can make sure it connects.