Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Massive]

it's huge.

like...massive.

like head to toes jab distance away massive.

wait... what?

 

[Divinokage]

New combo (at least, I've never seen it): dair near to ledge to WF spike. It's possible at certain percents (for falcon its about 60, give or take), now make it happen.

Hmm.. it sounds like it would be tough to land the dair if Falcon is near the ledge unless you get him with Dair if he techs near the ledge? That sounds a bit more plausible.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Actually thats exactly how i landed it lol

 

[kyaputenfarukon07]

Or d-throw + bad DI + dair near the edge lol.

 

[Divinokage]

I wonder.. do you guys think that this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hyaQZbrEOT0#t=226s can beat SHDL consistently? I know it's a bit risky but it feels like the dair can go over low lasers and hit Falco.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I'd say it can, assuming you're always able to get to that position with the Dair. The problem is consistently getting to that position. If you can do it, though, that would be pretty awesome.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Well I don't really know enough about the game to say so, but I'd say it looks like it does lol. But I'm pretty sure I've used it on a buddy of mine as well (although he is quite the mediocre falco), so quite possible.

 

[Geenareeno]

Hey Kage that's a good idea, makes Falcos have to space Lasers against you a little more carefully.

 

[Divinokage]

I'm not sure if there would be a way to space it more correctly in that position anyway. I guess it seems pretty good, try it out.

 

[Geenareeno]

I meant for onstage regular spacing, from a neutral position. If they jump too close and you read a Short hop fast fall laser, you can do sh dair amd hit them.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

How does linguini jab out of literally everything in the falco matchup?! i try to do it, but the laser always cancels it out and then i get comboed.

Better spacing? Better timing?

 

[Divinokage]

In what situation? The double laser from the ledge?

 

[PseudoTurtle]

In an approach. Or the double laser now that you mention it.

 

[Superspright]

Double laser? Eat the first hit, PS the second->grab.

Funnier thing to do: Eat first hit, boost grab->forced grab release from the laser hitting right after the grab goes thru. Not sure how practical it is, but I've done it and it's hilarious. Just tosses him down and away hard. Can't tech or cancel it so it seems good.

Lasers are bad. Just powershield them.

 

[Geenareeno]

Supersight we need vids of you.... 90% of your posts contain something about powersheilding, and you say you're really good at it. I want to see you fight a Falco and shut down his laser game.

 

[-ACE-]

there is no full-proof way to get around it. that dair was lucky as hell even considering how low that shdl was. they can switch up the heights so quickly and change everything.

 

[Divinokage]

there is no full-proof way to get around it. that dair was lucky as hell even considering how low that shdl was. they can switch up the heights so quickly and change everything.

Ya I understand that, I know it's risky business because they can aerial from that position but if you are 100% sure that he will laser then.. that's a huge hit and allows you to hit Falco one more time if you guess correctly.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

so... i need advice against jigglypuff. I got totally wrecked by massive at smym.

Tipman uses a different technique (lots of auto-cancelled uairs and u-ftilits) vs jiggs than most ganons do and it seems like its pretty good. I used it against my buddy, but he's not a jiggs main. I know linguini says to keep your back facing jiggs as much as possible, but the priority is just too much it seems.

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

Hmm.. it sounds like it would be tough to land the dair if Falcon is near the ledge unless you get him with Dair if he techs near the ledge? That sounds a bit more plausible.

like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xp6iEunWhE#t=6m25s

 

[Divinokage]

Yup exactly, =P

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xp6iEunWhE#t=6m25s

That was SICK!

But we all knew he was gonna tech away the first grab next stock

 

[-ACE-]

that combo has been around for ages. very legit and nice work by biz

 

[Renth]

Lasers are bad. Just powershield them.

...

Occasionally yes.. you can do that. You've got to be some kind of bull ****ter if you're going to try to tell me you can consistently power shield every time

 

[-ACE-]

Lmao I must have missed that post.

Sheiks and Foxes are bad. Just avoid playing them.

 

[Geenareeno]

like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xp6iEunWhE#t=6m25s

Is it true that you retired?

 

[PseudoTurtle]

like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xp6iEunWhE#t=6m25s

hell ****ing yes

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Yes, Geen. He has fleeted from our cause.

 

[Geenareeno]

So sad.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Nobody on fighting jiggs?

 

[Vionce]

I've found that ganon vs jiggs is a spacing battle. bair and uair win if you're higher than jiggs. ganon is tall and slow, avoid shield grabbing often.

 

[Geenareeno]

Reverse u-air is good. CC her **** into a d-tilt u-air is really helpful. D-throw is good. No di = U-smash, behind is back air, and forward is u-air. Make sure you di her u-tilt. Dont try to go off stage to edgeguard her. If you aren't confident, don't even try to edguard her, since she can pull you out with a side-b. Punish missed rests with u-tilt or Warlock Punch.

 

[Divinokage]

Downthrow to Fair can kill earlier if they DI downthrow inside instead of uair.

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

Yes, Geen. He has fleeted from our cause.

wise people say that the only people who quit competitive melee are the ones who disappear without saying a word or a trace

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Then I await your return, my friend. It was a blast meeting and playing with you at G2 and it would be a shame if it weren't to happen again.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

alright, thanks guys. i just have a problem grabbing her because she can crouch under my grabs. but usually shield grabbing isn't too hard.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Not worth the risk, ever. One mistake is a free rest vs jiggs.

 

[Renth]

Ahhh... It feels good to be back in the scene

Straight pimpin yo.

 

[Geenareeno]

Straight pimpin yo.

watwatwatindabut

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

Then I await your return, my friend. It was a blast meeting and playing with you at G2 and it would be a shame if it weren't to happen again.

yeah, Genesis 2 was just an amazing time, one of the reasons being that I got to meet fellow ganondorf users.

it's hard to keep away from the competitive scene since I miss a lot of smashers, but it's super easy to avoid playing by myself or with people I hang out with everyday.

 

[Renth]

@Bizz:

I just did your reverse down b combo/kill on a captain falcon a little bit ago. Was hot.

I love it.