Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Brawl Ganon has a vice grip. Maybe you should go play Brawl, Gerudo Vice.

 

[G. Vice]

Brawl Ganon has a vice grip. Maybe you should go play Brawl, Gerudo Vice.

I played it a little, but that's about it. I did play some Project M and it was pretty cool. Melee-esque but still not melee.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I guess I'm the only Ganondorf that actively competes in all three games. :<

 

[Geenareeno]

Well I don't know about that, but you're definitely the only Ganondorf that is good at all three games. I know Kage dabbled in Brawl one tourney but said it affected his melee game.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I personally feel that I'm awful at all three until I beat someone noteworthy by myself multiple times (not counting teams), but I really do appreciate that remark c: <3

 

[Divinokage]

Well I don't know about that, but you're definitely the only Ganondorf that is good at all three games. I know Kage dabbled in Brawl one tourney but said it affected his melee game.

Well I used to play Brawl when it came out for 1 year seriously but then eventually everyone knew it was a **** game so I stopped there. I don't really need to play P:M to understand it, I can own everybody in that. Ganon is WAY too good.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I remember when tons of Melee players randomly attended a brawl tournament in philidelphia called CoT4, and kage was there for NO REASON at all.

and so was i, loool

 

[Divinokage]

CoT 4? uh.. I participated in the tourney but I got owned in pools. lol.

But at least we recorded the hypest teams friendlies ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyJj-9KEAcY lol.

 

[Comrade]

I see that you guys mentioned memphis and i'm too lazy to read the next three pages. Yo G.Vice, lemme know whenever youre in memphis, we do smash stuff on tuesdays and wednesdays

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

What I said two pages ago was

I'm going to visit Zane when a big midsouth tourney is coming up and that you better be there. ;D

 

[Nujabes]

Texas is also a good place to visit
=P

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I've been there before. Only near the border though during the time I went to Mexico for Melee. I'd have to go back if I visited TX lol

 

[Comrade]

What I said two pages ago was

I'm going to visit Zane when a big midsouth tourney is coming up and that you better be there. ;D

come at me bro

 

[G. Vice]

I'll issue a standing MM against any of you Ganon mains for 5$ best of 5 if we ever meet.

That goes for everyone. Come at me bros!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i'll accept.

but it depends on the day.

i only do ganondorf dittos on the third tri-mester of the year, when the northern star is actually pointing south-east.

and it has to be on yoshis only, ok.

ok.

 

[Comrade]

I'll issue a standing MM against any of you Ganon mains for 5$ best of 5 if we ever meet.

That goes for everyone. Come at me bros!

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I'd appreciate it if you could all watch this and tell me how to improve my Ganon: http://youtu.be/7jgG34tFoqs

I'm aware that there are times I did an upB when I should have done the usual downB jump recovery, and there were also times when at a low percent a did a dThrow and then attacked behind me instead of in front of me. I've never done either of these before, so I'm not sure why I did them that day. They clearly didn't work, though.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

first thing i'm noticing is a lot of late L cancels. this is causing your shield to pop up, which is very, very undesirable. let go of the shield button faster, and hopefully that'll stop that from happening. the same is happening for missed wavelands. you hit the shield button too late, and instead of sliding, you get stuck and your shield comes up. It seemed like less of a problem in the second game though.

overall, you played okay. ganon dittos are about a lot of little things, so missing the edgeguards hurt you (it was surprising to see jim let you back as much as he did too). any time a down B seems imminent, i always try to go out there for a bair/uair, especially if they seem a little closer than they should be.

Be a little safer with fairs if possible. i have the same problem myself, but it sucks to be punished for throwing them out there. sometimes a healthy dose of uair does a ganon good in the ditto. it's inherently safer than the fair, and beats out random fairs.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I'm pretty sure that was intentional shielding in the first game.

Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to use it against your Ganon next time we play.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Wow

My set was so bad. ):

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Chris, if you look at a video of me at the last NCSU, how much do you think I've improved?

Also, I just practiced tech skill while sedated, and I seem to be about as good as I usually am.

 

[spider_sense]

Chris, if you look at a video of me at the last NCSU, how much do you think I've improved?

Also, I just practiced tech skill while sedated, and I seem to be about as good as I usually am.

Tech skill is over-rated, just simply have ride in your heart and you'll always win.

 

[G. Vice]

Tech skill is over-rated, just simply have ride in your heart and you'll always win.

Kage style ftw

 

[Bl@ckChris]

me vs eikelmann, this was the bracket set that got recorded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcpQySfOvYo&context=C3b4f4f7ADOEgsToPDskLFZFh3h56sP8B1acifHiwX

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Jim v Eikelmann was put up yesterday too. http://youtu.be/IMvbnCT0tzA

 

[G. Vice]

me vs eikelmann, this was the bracket set that got recorded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcpQySfOvYo&context=C3b4f4f7ADOEgsToPDskLFZFh3h56sP8B1acifHiwX

You had him if you just would have done the Rockcrock off that tech at the end.

It also looked like you thought you were the other ganon after the up B at the end. So sad :/

 

[KirbyKaze]

I got owned by PKM when he hasn't played for 5-6 months, I'm mad..

Ganon vs Falcon.. I swear **** masters.. you can't beat them consistently, impossible.

Right now I'm reminiscing fondly of the 2008-2009 years (I think?) where Raynex would take multi-month hiatuses and come back and still be the best player in my region.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, i can't believe i handspazzed at the end. even if i had just uaired it would've been fine, but a double jump and the wrong aerial put me in a bad position (without a kill)

and yeah, i didn't realize i was the other ganon until far too late (when i up B'd). when i realized i think i just said "i'm the other ganon..." and just shook ians hand lol. it was a tough way for me to end the set, but that's how it works sometimes.

 

[KirbyKaze]

use a tag in dittos noob

 

[Bl@ckChris]

the funny thing is, i had one.

i'm a super noob.

edit: but i think i was looking at my opponent trying to see how he would recover to know how to intercept it. but it was me. lol.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Learn the difference between purple and blue color blind noob.

Just be glad you didn't do it while he was playing Fox. That would have been really embarrassing.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Looooooool @ 7:48

SHYGUYS ARE AN INFERIOR BREED.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Can you guys compare and contrast these two recordings for me? Thanks.

http://youtu.be/XVNHtnqEffU

http://youtu.be/7jgG34tFoqs

EDIT: Eiklemann, you had an MM with Jim right after your brackets match, right?

 

[Divinokage]

Alright I'll see what I can do. =)

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Sorry for this being off topic, but help... falco... I read linguini's post on how to fight falco and he said that the only chance you have of winning is to grab him (and my chances are significantly higher when I can do that), but I can rarely grab him because I just get shined/daired immediately.

Any tips? And thanks in advance for the help.

 

[G. Vice]

Sorry for this being off topic, but help... falco... I read linguini's post on how to fight falco and he said that the only chance you have of winning is to grab him (and my chances are significantly higher when I can do that), but I can rarely grab him because I just get shined/daired immediately.

Any tips? And thanks in advance for the help.

Timing. SDI. You can SDI away from the drill where the shine doesn't hit and simply grab him. You can also prevent getting shined immediately after a drill by alternating when you'll grab him. Instead of grabbing him after his drill and between the shine, try grabbing him after the shine on his way back up.

 

[Tyranny]

I think i remember Kage posting something about how you should almost never shield grab in higher levels of play because of predictability/lag time. Well I play against a really slow Falco with bad spacing which makes it easy to shield-grab and tech chase or CG his *** all day. I know I'll eventually play Falco's where this wont work and I'll just be combo food. SO in follow up to PseudoTurtle's question, how else do you go about grabbing a skilled Falco?

 

[spider_sense]

I think i remember Kage posting something about how you should almost never shield grab in higher levels of play because of predictability/lag time. Well I play against a really slow Falco with bad spacing which makes it easy to shield-grab and tech chase or CG his *** all day. I know I'll eventually play Falco's where this wont work and I'll just be combo food. SO in follow up to PseudoTurtle's question, how else do you go about grabbing a skilled Falco?

I don't know about that. Linguini grabbed Dr. Peepee alot during their set at Apex. lol Just saiyan.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I was just watching that show.

Also, PP says tech skill is extremely important and I should be spending all my time perfecting it so I don't screw it up mid game. Does he say this because he plays Falco, or because he's PP?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

he says it cause it's true?

if there ever comes a point where your techskill is getting in the way of your ability to punish, then you need to work on your techskill until it doesn't.