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For the love of god finally. Plz sombody get a mod and close this so I won't be drawn into this bull**** anymore. BTW if he makes another thread like this you should ban all three of them, well his IP so he won't make another account,
To be completely honest, I still find the way that the tourney scene plays the game to be stupid and counter to the philosophy of Smash. I just realize that nothing will change that, and I don't really care about being THAT devoted to a video game anyway. I have too many other hobbies. I get much more enjoyment out of teaching myself to play guitar, for instance.
I think Halo's a fun series and the best FPS series out there for people who don't like FPSes. Kinda like Super Smash Bros. It's easy to get into it and have lots of fun with it if you don't have experience with fighters or FPSes.
From what I've seen, "serious" matches are always on Final Destination or some similarly simple flat stage with Fox, Falco, or Captain Falcon.
Stop trying to get a thread that's in the middle of a discussion locked. Just because you disagree with the side that started the discussion doesn't mean it deserves to be stopped.
So what you're saying is that casual players shouldn't go on SmashBoards at all?
Completely and utterly incorrect. The general casual gamer population is the main consumer/user. Stop thinking so highly of your god**** self!
Well the stages avalible are Dreamland, Final Destination, Yoshi's Story, Fountian of dreams, battlefield, and pokemon stadium. Also you see Fox, Falco, or Falcon because they are high tier. You've obviously haven't seen enough.
14. That's the amount of stages that's allowed in tournaments. I'm not even going to touch on characters since every single character can be potentially used in a tournament.
Erm, okay. So basically there's no refutal to the luck argument then?
Refer to my "fun is subjective post"
Adi said:
That's right, because Salaad can pwn uz at smash braws.
We play with advance techs and tourney rules to have fun. In fact, I will tell you the story of how I got into tourney stuff. I got the game when it first came out and played like a casual player would. I didn't know how to do anything besides tech, I would play with items, and I would play in free for alls. I did have one on ones with no item if there was not enough people for ffas. I got bored with the game since not enough people played the game and got tiring playing it the way I was. Then, I learned about advance techs. The game became much more fun for me and so I started going to tournies to have even more fun.
Causal players can come on here, but they sure can't spam and make arguements and piss everybody else off.
Why can't people be like you guys?
From the looks of it, the mods for this thread are all logged out.
Wavedashing isn't a glitch. It's built into the physics engine of Melee (If Sakurai didn't want it in Melee he would've taken it out of the PAL version) and will be there if air dodging is there (Didn't we already confirm wavedashing anyways? Wario did one I think.). And why would you even say "The only reason people use it is because everyone else uses it"? That's like saying people only play video games because other people play video games. If everyone is doing it than it must be useful, and it is useful for most characters (and even the ones with really short wavedashes still have some use for wavelands or some other use of wavedashing.).
That's why we casual players are offended. Don't get me wrong, there are idiots on both sides, but the serious players tend to think that they're better than the casual players, and put casual players in classes. We'll play the game the way we want, and just because you may be better than us at a game doesn't give you the right to put us into classes.
Well I certainly hope those rules apply to loudmouth "pros" like Salaad as well.
If it comforts you, I don't put casual players into classes. . . . . . . . only scrubs.
They did intend. Nintendo saw this b4 they released it, but they kept it in even though it was a glitch.
And you Tourney Players stop adding fuel to the flame war.
Lmao, I guess I'm just attracted to responding back in threads like these. But I'm also trying to end this seeing how this thread gets worse and worse as it goes one. >_>
Unless I've gone senile, Dreamland, Final Destination, Fountain, Battlefield, and Yoshi's Story all have an almost exactly similar layout. The only different one is Pokemon Stadium, due to its shifting. Thus, pretty much proving my point. Same with Falcon, Falco and Fox being used due to being "high tier".
With enough training, I suppose that's true, but wouldn't that amount to about a thimble full of vodka without those "Advanced Techniques"?
Well, my argument is that a certain amount of luck should be desirable because it adds fun to the game, but as you've said, and I have to concede, fun is subjective. So I guess I don't have much to refute that. Although, I just really can't see the rulesets in the Smash Bros. tournaments being conceived as 'fun', no matter how subjective it is.
That's odd, because you and Salaad are being far more offensive and obnoxious than we are. I'm not spamming, I'm trying to have a discussion. You seem hellbent on making me and Pika Pika Pi seem like horrible spamming trolls.
No, this is because if we ever want to go into a tournament, we automatically have to play YOUR WAY. You've got it completely backwards.
Maybe. But I stayed because I'm actually getting some decent discussion, courtesy of the levelheaded people like Adi and the like.
Please. Calling a casual player a scrub is roughly the equivalent of calling a black person that one n-word I'm not gonna say, because I'm somewhat sure I'd rack up a few no-no points if I did.
When you have a deadline to get the game out, and the effort to fix the error in the physics engine would be difficult, those exploits remain in the game.
And that's why things like this thread happen. Some people have such a holier than thou attitude for something as trivial as video games that they start flaming others for it. That irritates casuals, and then they bite back. That causes other tourney players to join in on the argument.
You see, no one said you must go to tournaments and play. The people who play at tournaments play competitively and use every and all options available for them to win. You, being a casual player, do not. So why do you go to tournaments at all? All you have to do is gather a few of your friends and host your own tournament if you feel that strongly about it. But tournaments imply competition and if your not competitively playing then you shouldn't bother.
They dont' tell us how the game should be played. They just act elitist and proclaim themselves to be the only ones who are "good" at the game, in some cases.
This is more of what I'm talking about. Arrogance like this will ensure that these debates never die. Hint to people like cloudz: people who play with items must necessarily also play against items. To scoff and say that it takes no skill to win an items match is ridiculous. It can be every bit as strategic as an itemless match on FD.i think figuring out your opponent's mindgames and taking advantage of them is way more fun then items. and im sure a lot of the competitive smashers will agree. It takes way more skill to figure out somebody then it does to throw a pokeball.
We're smart so we like to play smart
