Supreme Dirt
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As a gay gamer this comes as absolutely no surprise to me. Brawl and Melee communities can be just as bad, if not worse.
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Because they are boys. Boys tend to be ****s more often than not.The logic isn't "They do this, therefore it is incorrect to not accept it." The logic is, "They do this, but why?"
No, I'm just saying that guys are abrasive and mean in their social interactions. They may not be full on rude all the time, but guys generally throw around pejorative remarks, put each other down, and basically poke fun at whatever they possibly can.The answer is not, "Because they do." That is circle reasoning. You're using the same logic as Aris, thinking it is some necessary existence, but no, it isn't. Granted, people should learn to handle negative things from people, but that is entirely beside the point.
Nobody likes nice guys.And to say nice guys are worse, let alone cannot be trusted, is quite the controversial blanket statement.
Translation: Bladyblablabla I make no senseAlso your mention of it being better than the absolute opposite and justifying it through that is quite strange, even if the opposite was indeed worse.
Aris' behaviour is just an over the top version of stereotypical boyish behaviour. Seemed to have a real bone to pick with the girl lol, no that's not very usual since most guys are going to be trying to throw moves or be a little mean but eh whatever I was talking more in general since I thought that's what the deal is.Oh, also how Aris behaves is actually quite abnormal, I really hope you don't think that is natural.
You grew up broAs for chivalry, I have to agree, most guys who think that way just think that because girls are what they are, they need to be treated with extra respect. The fact of the matter is that yes, the two genders are different, but none of that warrants good or bad discrimination, it just simply implies discrimination in what they are. To add all this baggage is not as necessary as people think, we are just conditioned to think that way. I used to as well until I grew up and got a brain.
Really now?I'm really happy that most of the smashers I have talked to are really nice people who would never do this to anyone. Sure, they'll make jokes, but they are nowhere near harassment level....aka good banter
I know what happened that one time I saw a girl at a smash tournamentGuys = small group
fighting game community = mvc, and a small group
Really, if you want a ****storm, this is how you call your topic. Dumb *****
if you wanna reply at least read my post properly LOL. duh, of course all females aren't soft skinned. I said "most" which is straight up true & you can't even deny it. there are many girls who can deal with smack talk well, but they are in the minority.Have you ever been bullied or harassed? Have you?
From my personal experience, it sucks and you can't do anything about it except grin and bear it or ignore it. If she would have said ANYTHING that would imply she was fighting back, it would have gotten worse. I've been in situations similar to this (bullying, luckily not sexual harassment), and I tried fighting back. Yeah. Dumb idea. I was just bullied worse and more frequently. When I started laughing it off, it got a lot easier to deal with because they realized they weren't getting a reaction.
Way to be welcoming. Girls arent all soft skinned, you ignorant jerk. We can deal with the smack talk and dish it out. No need to baby us. It's people like you that make sure there won't be any girls in the scene, buddy.
Man, I'm not usually all "girl powerrrr"
But when someone tells me that I shouldnt do what I want to do because I'm too delicate and cant take the smack talk...then to hell with it. I've dealt with worse.
Shadic, I totally agree. The community ranges from teens to adult...we need to learn to act our ages and be more welcoming.
Bad boys are the biggest turn off ever.Teran is still into bad boys.
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That didn't answer why at all. You're just saying a whole gender just sucks because they are that gender.Because they are boys. Boys tend to be ****s more often than not.
I think you're confusing bro love with discrimination.No, I'm just saying that guys are abrasive and mean in their social interactions. They may not be full on rude all the time, but guys generally throw around pejorative remarks, put each other down, and basically poke fun at whatever they possibly can.
I had no idea nobody liked me. I also had no idea you have such profound knowledge of the human population.Nobody likes nice guys.
I'm surprised you are allowed in the debate hall if you couldn't understand that... I'll explain.Translation: Bladyblablabla I make no sense
Except youReally now?
I know what happened that one time I saw a girl at a smash tournament
she lost to m2k the level 9 luigi
mfwThat didn't answer why at all. You're just saying a whole gender just sucks because they are that gender.
I think you're confusing bro love with discrimination.
I had no idea nobody liked me. I also had no idea you have such profound knowledge of the human population.
I'm surprised you are allowed in the debate hall if you couldn't understand that... I'll explain.
Saying something that is unpleasant is acceptable because if that person was the exact opposite it'd be way worse, doesn't follow. You are pretending there isn't a middle ground, that people can't have some moderation.
Not to mention, being a nice guy is actually a lot better than an ***hole, you may not think so, but I'd bet most do.
I never said being a **** was a negative trait.That didn't answer why at all. You're just saying a whole gender just sucks because they are that gender.
No I'm not.I think you're confusing bro love with discrimination.
Well there you go honey. ;DI had no idea nobody liked me. I also had no idea you have such profound knowledge of the human population.
Har har har very funny you are not smart you are unnecessarily verbose in a way that sends the point round in loops.I'm surprised you are allowed in the debate hall if you couldn't understand that... I'll explain.
You know what I mean by nice guy, it is an idiomatic term. You think you are smart pulling a literal meaning from what I say and spinning into your own intellectual babble and then going on about blanket statement and such other gay little internet I'm such a genius remarks, when really it's just a way of saying "I'm going to pick around the point because I can't pick at the point".Saying something that is unpleasant is acceptable because if that person was the exact opposite it'd be way worse, doesn't follow. You are pretending there isn't a middle ground, that people can't have some moderation.
Not to mention, being a nice guy is actually a lot better than an ***hole, you may not think so, but I'd bet most do.
Well that's good to hear, because that means it hasn't been too bad.Except you
You are a terrible human being
I seriously think that you have said the worst stuff to me dude xD
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c'mon man you know chick gamers are the highest point of human evolution geez!!they aren't divine celestial beings or some crazy **** like that lmao.
There is no "little homo"Well that's good to hear, because that means it hasn't been too bad.
I also confirm having a bit of homo inside of me for some guys.
Then you are alone in that.I never said being a **** was a negative trait.
What is being described in the thread is discrimination, what you are referring to is how males act with other males.No I'm not.
Considering the sarcastic remark, I'm guessing you don't ACTUALLY think what you mean, you're just attempting a funny.Well there you go honey. ;D
I'd understand that if I used big words, convoluted sentences, or technical terms. Which I didn't do it all.Har har har very funny you are not smart you are unnecessarily verbose in a way that sends the point round in loops.
Oh man you caught me. You know the human mind so well! >__>You know what I mean by nice guy, it is an idiomatic term. You think you are smart pulling a literal meaning from what I say and spinning into your own intellectual babble and then going on about blanket statement and such other gay little internet I'm such a genius remarks, when really it's just a way of saying "I'm going to pick around the point because I can't pick at the point".
What is your basis for this moderation? And are you saying I am either moderate, which in the way you describe it is pretty bad, or a ****, which isn't good, or a "nice guy", which is bad too. So, I'm just screwed now am I? Might as well be a **** since it'd be the most fun. Then again, I'm apparently not reduced to those three choices since none of your explanations apply to me, or most people I meet. That is because what moderation means is not half being one extreme and half being the other, or hiding an extreme, it is not ever being an extreme.Yes there is a point of moderation, but of course, that point of moderation with guys is generally them mocking and deriding stuff in a facetious way while being nice/decent when the situation calls for it. For example, a guy will be a ****, but say someone gets hit by a bus on the street they won't be like LOL WHERE U AT and more likely to call an ambulance and wait with until it arrives and rescues the injured.
Then you are alone in that.[/quote[
I like how you constantly accuse me of making blanket statements and saying stuff like "what is your basis?" then coming up with **** like that. Nice.
What's being done is blanketing one guy's actions and applying it to all, and making a generalised point about guys being mean to girls, which in turn implies that the general banter that girls will receive is too much for them to handle.What is being described in the thread is discrimination, what you are referring to is how males act with other males.
YOU'RE JUST NOT READY BROTHER.Considering the sarcastic remark, I'm guessing you don't ACTUALLY think what you mean, you're just attempting a funny.
I have no trouble with ****ens, so if I say your sentence structure makes my head go whadda**** you talkin about then I think there's something up. I don't know it's just how I see it considering everyone calls ****ens uber verbose and tiring to follow.I'd understand that if I used big words, convoluted sentences, or technical terms. Which I didn't do it all.
It is a snarky put down what do you think it's supposed to achieve? Sort of like your inital "lol howd u get in the debate hall" as if the Debate Hall, some room on a message board, is the paragon of intellectuality.Also, I'm not so sure where the "you are not smart" comment is based off of or trying to accomplish, meaning it's based from something outside of what we talking about. Angst?
Sure do dudejack.Oh man you caught me. You know the human mind so well! >__>
I'm not asserting superiority in anything really, since I don't believe that omg this way of thinking is better than ___ unlike basically everyone else who thinks their ****ty opinion is the be all end all of existence. What I am saying is how **** is and what one can do to adapt. Like wow someone's being mean waa waa people should be nice baww **** that say something back or slap the lips off their face otherwise shut the **** up.Anyways, I'm not entirely sure of your point with all of that. You are asserting being a **** is superior to be what you mean by a nice guy... um, okay... that isn't true but I'll move on. Assuming that, how does that make being a **** acceptable when you acknowledge that there is such a thing as a literal nice guy? Really confused as to what you are trying to accomplish, possibly some built up angst here again.
I don't get what your deal is with the angst, but okay.
There are literal nice guys, thing is, literal nice guys still have a knack for ribbing at least.
So you're saying that a guy who will rib on people but not in an aggressive way is bad?What is your basis for this moderation? And are you saying I am either moderate, which in the way you describe it is pretty bad, or a ****, which isn't good, or a "nice guy", which is bad too. So, I'm just screwed now am I? Might as well be a **** since it'd be the most fun. Then again, I'm apparently not reduced to those three choices since none of your explanations apply to me, or most people I meet. That is because what moderation means is not half being one extreme and half being the other, or hiding an extreme, it is not ever being an extreme.
Okay
Not to be rude but are you a little comme-ci comme-ça?
When I said bullying, I meant in general. Not just pertaining to gaming, since this situation was so similar to bully mentality.if you wanna reply at least read my post properly LOL. duh, of course all females aren't soft skinned. I said "most" which is straight up true & you can't even deny it. there are many girls who can deal with smack talk well, but they are in the minority.
you can't get bullied in the scene that she was in, the hell you talking about? how is she going to get bullied in an environment like that where she knows so many people in the community and has a large following in general? if she had told him properly to stfu i guarantee you that would've been the end of it. it's aris man, he's like a lone creep. she wouldn't keep getting bullied by him cause i guarantee you with the amount of people she knows and the support she has from people in the community, he'd just get ****ed up.
also i hate how so many people in these communities treat girls like they're the ****ing queen of the country or something and are so ridiculously biased when it comes to dealing with them in situations. treat them with a little more respect sure, but they aren't divine celestial beings or some crazy **** like that lmao.
To be fair, that CPU was pretty broken.I know what happened that one time I saw a girl at a smash tournament
she lost to m2k the level 9 luigi
I don't see how your response to the quoted sentence makes sense.I like how you constantly accuse me of making blanket statements and saying stuff like "what is your basis?" then coming up with **** like that. Nice.
That was what the original post stated, the discussion didn't really center around that. You said yourself you didn't read any of the posts, so I can understand why you aren't aware of that.What's being done is blanketing one guy's actions and applying it to all, and making a generalised point about guys being mean to girls, which in turn implies that the general banter that girls will receive is too much for them to handle.
I believe you had trouble, I'm just saying it seems like a very plain statement that you extracted to direct that at.I have no trouble with ****ens, so if I say your sentence structure makes my head go whadda**** you talkin about then I think there's something up. I don't know it's just how I see it considering everyone calls ****ens uber verbose and tiring to follow.
So it IS angst. Chill bro, everything is going to be okay, I promise. This is the insecurity that we've been talking about thus far. From my relevant comment you say something irrelevant to what we are talking about, as you say, it only achieved to satiate your easily hurt pride (I wasn't really aiming for hurting you, sorry my friend).It is a snarky put down what do you think it's supposed to achieve? Sort of like your inital "lol howd u get in the debate hall" as if the Debate Hall, some room on a message board, is the paragon of intellectuality.
Ah, yes, right. Well do that.****ing deal with it
Well obviously a person has preferences to how one should think, I mean, you do what you think is best. But anyways, missing the point here again. Even if nice guys "rib", then there isn't much reason not to be one of those guys.I'm not asserting superiority in anything really, since I don't believe that omg this way of thinking is better than ___ unlike basically everyone else who thinks their ****ty opinion is the be all end all of existence. What I am saying is how **** is and what one can do to adapt. Like wow someone's being mean waa waa people should be nice baww **** that say something back or slap the lips off their face otherwise shut the **** up.
I don't get what your deal is with the angst, but okay.
There are literal nice guys, thing is, literal nice guys still have a knack for ribbing at least.
I literally have no idea how this goes with what I just said.So you're saying that a guy who will rib on people but not in an aggressive way is bad?
Okay
Not to be rude but are you a little comme-ci comme-ça?
The way they treat girls everywhere else.How should guys treat girls in a fighting community?
None of my other communities involve fighting like the fighting community though.The way they treat girls everywhere else.
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But if you read the article, according to Aris, you should treat girls with coarse sexual harrassment. What kind of ******* treats girls with respect outside of fighting tournaments and then treats them like **** in fighting game tournaments because that's just the way it is? But who knows, maybe they do treat them like **** outside of tournaments (therefore they're most likely misogynistic) and do the same in tournaments.The way they treat girls everywhere else.
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My entire ****ing point is the setting shouldn't change who they are. If they're seriously only acting sexist during the those tournaments, that's ****ing ********. So something tells me this is just their excuse, but they're already small and pathetic people soooooo yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah let's just whine about it on internets, that'll change stuff.None of my other communities involve fighting like the fighting community though.
Yeah, this guy gets it! Games are designed for DUDES and companies don't even want girls to play them! If they did, they wouldn't include that label on the front that says 'dudes only, girls may not play this game'. If fact, if you look closely at said label is goes on to say 'this game was made solely for Akagami's entertainment and anything that might interfere with that should be ignored since he is the most important person in the world'.if you wanna reply at least read my post properly LOL. duh, of course all females aren't soft skinned. I said "most" which is straight up true & you can't even deny it. there are many girls who can deal with smack talk well, but they are in the minority.
you can't get bullied in the scene that she was in, the hell you talking about? how is she going to get bullied in an environment like that where she knows so many people in the community and has a large following in general? if she had told him properly to stfu i guarantee you that would've been the end of it. it's aris man, he's like a lone creep. she wouldn't keep getting bullied by him cause i guarantee you with the amount of people she knows and the support she has from people in the community, he'd just get ****ed up.
also i hate how so many people in these communities treat girls like they're the ****ing queen of the country or something and are so ridiculously biased when it comes to dealing with them in situations. treat them with a little more respect sure, but they aren't divine celestial beings or some crazy **** like that lmao.
Setting has a contextual influence when it comes to any dilemma. Whether you are at work or with some friends, there are some things that can and cannot be said. The same can be said for how people interpret the competitive gaming scene, a scene that is fraught with its own nuances. Based on how people treat the venue, you are bound to get people acting in different ways that differ vastly from how they would at work, at home alone, or on the computer.My entire ****ing point is the setting shouldn't change who they are. If they're seriously only acting sexist during the those tournaments, that's ****ing ********. So something tells me this is just their excuse, but they're already small and pathetic people soooooo yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah let's just whine about it on internets, that'll change stuff.
Fighting games are fundamentally sexist in nature though. If you look at the portrayal of female characters in most games, most of them involve women in a state of undress and have moves present in their combos that involve some form of prostitution. Arguing that the games are designed with fair weight on male and female characters when it comes to character design and presentation is fundamentally flawed. Fighting games are designed on slant to attract males with more than just a technical fighting hook and it is with this starting point that most communities begin to centralize.Yeah, this guy gets it! Games are designed for DUDES and companies don't even want girls to play them! If they did, they wouldn't include that label on the front that says 'dudes only, girls may not play this game'. If fact, if you look closely at said label is goes on to say 'this game was made solely for Akagami's entertainment and anything that might interfere with that should be ignored since he is the most important person in the world'.
EDIT: Teran if you lock this thread before I've had my fun I swear to god I will come at you
Do not glistening shirtless men exist in the same such games?Fighting games are fundamentally sexist in nature though. If you look at the portrayal of female characters in most games, most of them involve women in a state of undress and have moves present in their combos that involve some form of prostitution. Arguing that the games are designed with fair weight on male and female characters when it comes to character design and presentation is fundamentally flawed. Fighting games are designed on slant to attract males with more than just a technical fighting hook and it is with this starting point that most communities begin to centralize.
This is another, "That is how it is, so that is how it should be." I agree with Falcon, context shouldn't really affect anything, but it does, in TONS of different environments, and it makes life a lot harder and more complicated than it really needs to be.Setting has a contextual influence when it comes to any dilemma. Whether you are at work or with some friends, there are some things that can and cannot be said. The same can be said for how people interpret the competitive gaming scene, a scene that is fraught with its own nuances. Based on how people treat the venue, you are bound to get people acting in different ways that differ vastly from how they would at work, at home alone, or on the computer.
Glistening =/= Morgan's default costume in Capcom which is frankly a teddie with wings.Do not glistening shirtless men exist in the same such games.
Do you like ponies more than you like humens?Arcani said:It could probably be argued that moves have a sexual or sexually interesting nature on male characters too, but I don't pay too much attention to either sex's sexual moves when I'm playing.
I don't know if the pictures I'm finding are correct, but from what I see, isn't she a succubus, so doesn't it make flavourful sense for her to dress like that, anyway?Glistening =/= Morgan's default costume in Capcom which is frankly a teddie with wings.
Dude, this is basically what this thread is talking about... Like, the intent here is just, why?Do you like ponies more than you like humens?
I just think that when you buy these games, you promote sexism to some degree or form. Publishers and art designers who make this game see high sales and continue with this trend of slanting games to what they feel are their constituent consumers. I'm not stating that this justifies sexism in any degree of form. I am arguing though that games were designed to capture a community that I feel wants to escape hassles of political correctness and moral opinion. For people who ignore the sexism or stereotypes present in the games, they also have to deal with people who might endorse or buy the game because of sexism and stereotypes presented in it.I did a bit of searching and found the sticker, since some of you may have missed it on the games
Acrostic you're reading too far into how serious that post was
Do you like ponies more than you like humens?
Oh my god a combine! Hey combines stop beating her up you evil guys!!EDIT: This is also probably not the place to spell humans humens.