How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Chef Fox]

Is it faster to SHDL or SHSL?

 

[Conviction]

What do you mean?

 

[Savon]

What is the imput timing for SHTL?

 

[Chef Fox]

What do you mean?

I'm trying to ask how does a SHDL or SHSL improve your mobility? Is it that the SHSL or SHDL simply takes less time to complete and get back to the ground or react to an opponent's approach (which seems pretty unlikely to me) or is it something else?

 

[Conviction]

What is the imput timing for SHTL?

I buffer my lasers

I'm trying to ask how does a SHDL or SHSL improve your mobility? Is it that the SHSL or SHDL simply takes less time to complete and get back to the ground or react to an opponent's approach (which seems pretty unlikely to me) or is it something else?

More mobility as in you have more control in what you do in that short hop. If SHTL you have committed your SH, if you SHDL you have until your peak of your SH to move around or change your mind from SHDL'ing, if you SHSL you basically have the whole SH to do something before actually having to laser.

Did I make sense? lol

 

[Chef Fox]

Okay, now I'm understanding this a little better, thank you Iblis.
Another question, how terrible (or not) is the stage Rainbow Cruise for Fox? Should I always ban it or is there a specific character that Fox could get the best of on this stage?

 

[M@v]

Ban brinstar before rainbow.

 

[Conviction]

Ban RC before Brinstar IMO

 

[Hanzhou]

Ban RC before Brinstar FOX can do good on brinstar watch Nakat

 

[Hanzhou]

DOuble post

 

[Savon]

It seems like fox could abuse the close boundaries of brinstar quite a bit. It would not really hurt him that much considering how he does not live for a long time to begin with. I could be wrong though.

 

[Hanzhou]

Lol fox doesnt die that fast 120-140(except snake and wario if unsafe) vs most top/high tiers is decent.

 

[Robfox]

Ban RC B4 Brinstar
Neutral stages are best (FD, SV, BF)
and camp ALOT

 

[Conviction]

I like most stages though, only one I have a real problem with is lylat but I'm overcoming it.

 

[NAKAT]

If I get to play on RC with Fox. I am going to do it.

 

[Robfox]

I like most stages though, only one I have a real problem with is lylat but I'm overcoming it.

Lylat is cool 4 me but I HATE YI -__-

 

[NAKAT]

I hate YI and Lylat I strike those two stages with he quickness.

 

[crifer]

I hate Lylat, too.

 

[sheikamaru]

oy! i want to pick up fox as a secondary and.... i wanted to know some generic fox moves like approaches and such besides the dair to uptilt/upsmash. like for instance i just recently found out that you can grab out of the dair for a mix up which works very well b/c most opponents expect a tilt or smash then sheild grab which i think is a good tool for fox :D

 

[Conviction]

Dair>Grab is guaranteed.

 

[Chef Fox]

fox moves like approaches and such

You really don't need to approach with Fox at all unless you're playing against like a Falco or a Pit, but a pivot wave grab seems to work pretty well against people who don't expect it. RAR Bair is my personal favorite because it autocancels and has good shield stun so it is usually not punishable. Walking up to the opponent is also actually very good, as Fox has the best walk in the game, and you can Perfect Shield their counter-attack or just grab. It works pretty well when you mix these things up.

 

[Conviction]

You don't have to approach either of those characters >.<

 

[crifer]

Dair>Grab is guaranteed.

this is not true.
@ low % they can spot dodge out of it (at least in some cases)

 

[Conviction]

That's if they SDI.

 

[Robfox]

Dang it Crifer I wanted 2 call it -__- lol
@xKilikx - ........Hidden in the leaves is not in texas U rouge ninja lol jk

 

[Conviction]

Either read the SDI or just only use one hit of the Dair lol.

 

[Chef Fox]

You don't have to approach either of those characters >.<

But don't they outcamp Fox? It seems like Pit's arrows and Falco's lasers are just better projectiles than Fox's lasers, if used properly.

 

[Conviction]

No in sense. It all depends on who has the precent lead, but even then you can still camp falco. Just Pit, Samus...I think that's about it who Fox approaches.

 

[Chef Fox]

Okay then, I can sort of see camping falco. Maybe.
Also, is jab jab shine with Fox a guaranteed combo? When I face Meta Knight, he is able to perfect shield the shine, I'm not sure about other characters though. There is a possiblity that I'm doing it slow, or maybe too early percents, I'm not sure. Please help.

 

[Conviction]

Okay then, I can sort of see camping falco. Maybe.
Also, is jab jab shine with Fox a guaranteed combo? When I face Meta Knight, he is able to perfect shield the shine, I'm not sure about other characters though. There is a possiblity that I'm doing it slow, or maybe too early percents, I'm not sure. Please help.

Oh yes this my favorite JJC follow up. JJC>Shine works at basically all percents the downside is that they can DI down and PS your shine....but this is where it gets fun, just JJC>Grab next time. JJC follow ups imo are mix-ups, soon as learn the timing for shine>Usmash I'll be happy .

New flash: I'm slowly learning how to add Platform canceling into my game :D I'm getting a vid up where I use it.

Also how does one Shield Platform Drop effectively? I've been having trouble with it. It would be really nice to be able to Plat OoS Dair when some one is below me like say Snake.

 

[Blubolouis]

fox's fsmash locks at low %

how awesome is that? (there's your question, q&a thread^)

 

[Conviction]

>.> No it doesn't. Prove it. No wifi

 

[Blubolouis]

I'd have to put up a vid just for that? I'm way too lazy o.o
I was just messing around in training mode, trying a lock with ftilt (I think that works right?) and I did ftilt>fsmash and it locked

perhaps I'm wrong but I don't see how i could be lol

 

[RPK]

You can camp Pit. It...Just takes a super long time...I double jump over his arrows and silent laser for like...a percent ^^;; Also, I say dont learn shield drop...You have to be SUPER SUPER precise with the analog stick that its not even worth it. Also, depending on the percents, you can probably do dair, shine tech chase upsmash instead.

 

[Robfox]

I HATE campin Falco, TL, Samus, nd Pit
I'd MUCH rather just fight them with CQC
nd im havin trouble wit MK I lost to Izumi nd Dextasmurf 2day.......HELP!!!!
I personally think im not campin enough nd depend on Usmash 2 much........suggestions

 

[Conviction]

Well actually we did this challenge back in '09.

Go a week without using the move you rely the most on (back then it was Dair) so try that.

Also it's way smarter camp those people, especially Falco at low %s.

 

[Hanzhou]

Camping TL is Easy to me and for Mk you have to camp imo

 

[Chef Fox]

What is the best way to momentum cancel and DI with fox while flying off stage? I'm actually pretty decent at it, but I was hoping there might be a way to survive longer, normally I just Smash DI the kill move and fastfall with Uair, should I add anything else?

 

[RPK]

You shouldnt be camping Samus o.o Just rush the **** outta her.

 

[crifer]

I camp against Samus. It´s so much fun, seriously :D