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Houston Thread - No HOBOs and no WHOBOs. What do we do now??????????????????????????????????????????
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It sounds and looks like a bad joke. I don't use the 3D function much (the only game i have is kid icarus), and I can see the merit to dropping the function and the price, but the name is dumb and the design is disgusting. How the **** is that supposed to fit in my pocket? How is that design better for kids (the only viable focus for dropping 3d and price). The screen is far more likely to get damaged if it cant fold closed.
Nintendo should have kept the basic Wii U and dropped the price (stripping down some things). Lets face it, 8gb AND 32gb are both garbage if you actually want to download games.
Take out those stupid stands and cradles (seriously why give this garbage to EVERYONE when it costs like 20 bucks), the HDMI cable (consoles are rarely packaged with this and HDMI cables are expensive). Hell it doesn't even need component cables because people can just use the old Wii ones. Same with the sensor bar (doesn't the gamepad function as one anyway?). I just dropped 40 bucks off the price right there.
Nintendo should have kept the basic Wii U and dropped the price (stripping down some things). Lets face it, 8gb AND 32gb are both garbage if you actually want to download games.
Take out those stupid stands and cradles (seriously why give this garbage to EVERYONE when it costs like 20 bucks), the HDMI cable (consoles are rarely packaged with this and HDMI cables are expensive). Hell it doesn't even need component cables because people can just use the old Wii ones. Same with the sensor bar (doesn't the gamepad function as one anyway?). I just dropped 40 bucks off the price right there.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
2ds is indeed a stupid idea and i hope it sells as well as the GBA MICRO. It is another attempt at fighting tablets (wiiu was first) but like the wiiu it will be marketed badly because nintendo for some reason does NOT think they need to fully explain everything up front. I cant imaging how many parents will walk into a gamestop/walmart/target and ask "where are the 2ds games?"
Anyways, i def wont get one. Especially since there is no 3d. 3d is awesome
Im so glad they got rid of the 8 gig WiiU. 8 gig becomes 4 after the first update and 4 gigs wont let you download more than 2 non indie games. 32 though is just right imo unless all you do is download your games. Plus, almost everybody on the planet has a flash drive or SD cards around so thats an extra 2-4 gig if u NEED it.
Personally, i buy all my stuff on hard disc. SO anything i download will be indi games or VC games and those will take forever to fill my wiiu up.
Yea Wii owners have the cables/bar....ect but Nintendo isnt just selling to Wii owners. They are selling it to everybody including Sony/Microsoft/non gamers and those people do not have those items so they need them.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
My point is, selling all of that stuff separately gives them a better chance of moving those consoles.
The Wii sold so many millions, many people who aren't big on Nintendo already have it anyway.
Just like the 2DS, there is stuff in the standard package where nintendo could say "hey not everyone needs or wants this part".
The Wii sold so many millions, many people who aren't big on Nintendo already have it anyway.
Just like the 2DS, there is stuff in the standard package where nintendo could say "hey not everyone needs or wants this part".
Zano
Smash Master
is this real life?
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Denti
Smash Master
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??? I thought she would be revealed with some timing towards Super Mario 3D World.
Perhaps this means :
A) Reveals are no longer timed with game releases.
B) Since Wonderful 101 wont have smash rep, they needed someone to fill the september void.
C) Some other Mario franchise rep will be revealed along with 3D World release. Perhaps the new Yoshi game wont be out until after Smash 4 and Yoshi will be revealed along with a trailer of his new game.
As I said, Ridley isn't too big, but maybe he IS too epic and wouldn't be as cool scaled down (he did look cool in the Melee trailer though).
If Sonic returns I'll be happy, but even if he doesn't for some reason, I've still got Megaman and Peach.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Ridley wont be in. He is a boss character that is too big to be scaled down (unless nintendo wants to use the ORIGINAL Ridley from the NES version lolololol). it would looks abnormally silly. "epic" is an opinion and thus has nothing to do with ridley being IN or OUT.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
NES ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S3xMS8J3wE
SNES ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58REhhhlVJo
MP1 ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOM79KegYY8&t=1m36s
MP2 ridely= hes in for repairs
MP3 ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgV5HVDi9as
M:OM ridely = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnDX6NgXUc8 terrible terrible game
SNES ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58REhhhlVJo
MP1 ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOM79KegYY8&t=1m36s
MP2 ridely= hes in for repairs
MP3 ridely= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgV5HVDi9as
M:OM ridely = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnDX6NgXUc8 terrible terrible game
"He's too big" isn't a good argument for smash. These characters come from many different series and none of them kept their original sizes.
His odds are pretty bad, but size doesn't matter. Everyone got scaled up or down to fit properly with Mario.
Kirby is 8 inches tall. Metaknight is the same size. So King Dedede must be 2 feet tall at best (yet one of the biggest in brawl)
Olimar is 1 inch tall or something.
ROB is a 1 foot tall toy
GnW was a small character on...watches. He must be even smaller than olimar.
Donkey Kong is 9 feet tall and King K Rool is 3 times his size but people want him in Smash.
Why is my 9 foot gorrila only twice as tall as my 1 inch space slaver and yet the same size as my ancient NES accessory?
Now lets all think about a NES villain that started off about the same size as our hero, but grew larger and larger over time, only shrinking in size for spinoff games (smash being included).
Bowser was slightly shorter than Mario on the NES, but grew to be twice the size of Mario before his final appearance on NES. Then about 5 times the size of Mario on SNES, except for the spinoff game Mario Kart where he was about the same size as Mario. Even in ****ty games like mario's time machine, he is about the same size as mario because its a SPINOFF! Super Mario RPG? Spinoff and Bowser is Mario's size. Mario Kart 64, Paper Mario, Mario Golf? Spinoffs and Bowser is Mario's size.
So what have we learned here? 1st of all, being a Boss character does not mean you can't be playable in Smash. Ridley is the most reoccurring boss in Metroid and Bowser is the most reoccurring boss in Mario.
2nd, its CLEAR that when a character is playable in a spinoff game, he or she can be scaled up or down to fit his or her surroundings and competitors.
This isn't street fighter, no one is "too" anything as far as size because its just a spinoff.
Ridley's chances are slim to none at this point. Metroid is less relevant than its ever been with Other M being pretty much hated by fans, meaning a well received metroid game hasn't come out in nearly 6 years. At this point it would be like putting in another starfox or kirby character. Brawl showed us that even within the metroid series, even a 2nd version of Samus is more relevant than Ridley. His chances now are better than ever I'd say. Only because Brawl has pretty much pulled in the best Nintendo can offer from each series. Whats left? Pulling in less relevant characters from Mario (like a ****ing toad or daisy/rosalina)? Dixie Kong and King K Rool? Some junk from Kirby? Bringing in more characters from niche series that only hipsters like (earthbound and fire emblem)? Pull more pokemon out of their ass? Waste a spot on someone new and possibly unpopular (wonder red?)
Nintendo has run out of popular IPs at this point, Brawl has 1 character that doesn't stem from some ancient 90s or 80s series (Olimar).
Ridley might not make it in, but "too big" is not a good reason why.
His odds are pretty bad, but size doesn't matter. Everyone got scaled up or down to fit properly with Mario.
Kirby is 8 inches tall. Metaknight is the same size. So King Dedede must be 2 feet tall at best (yet one of the biggest in brawl)
Olimar is 1 inch tall or something.
ROB is a 1 foot tall toy
GnW was a small character on...watches. He must be even smaller than olimar.
Donkey Kong is 9 feet tall and King K Rool is 3 times his size but people want him in Smash.
Why is my 9 foot gorrila only twice as tall as my 1 inch space slaver and yet the same size as my ancient NES accessory?
Now lets all think about a NES villain that started off about the same size as our hero, but grew larger and larger over time, only shrinking in size for spinoff games (smash being included).
Bowser was slightly shorter than Mario on the NES, but grew to be twice the size of Mario before his final appearance on NES. Then about 5 times the size of Mario on SNES, except for the spinoff game Mario Kart where he was about the same size as Mario. Even in ****ty games like mario's time machine, he is about the same size as mario because its a SPINOFF! Super Mario RPG? Spinoff and Bowser is Mario's size. Mario Kart 64, Paper Mario, Mario Golf? Spinoffs and Bowser is Mario's size.
So what have we learned here? 1st of all, being a Boss character does not mean you can't be playable in Smash. Ridley is the most reoccurring boss in Metroid and Bowser is the most reoccurring boss in Mario.
2nd, its CLEAR that when a character is playable in a spinoff game, he or she can be scaled up or down to fit his or her surroundings and competitors.
This isn't street fighter, no one is "too" anything as far as size because its just a spinoff.
Ridley's chances are slim to none at this point. Metroid is less relevant than its ever been with Other M being pretty much hated by fans, meaning a well received metroid game hasn't come out in nearly 6 years. At this point it would be like putting in another starfox or kirby character. Brawl showed us that even within the metroid series, even a 2nd version of Samus is more relevant than Ridley. His chances now are better than ever I'd say. Only because Brawl has pretty much pulled in the best Nintendo can offer from each series. Whats left? Pulling in less relevant characters from Mario (like a ****ing toad or daisy/rosalina)? Dixie Kong and King K Rool? Some junk from Kirby? Bringing in more characters from niche series that only hipsters like (earthbound and fire emblem)? Pull more pokemon out of their ass? Waste a spot on someone new and possibly unpopular (wonder red?)
Nintendo has run out of popular IPs at this point, Brawl has 1 character that doesn't stem from some ancient 90s or 80s series (Olimar).
Ridley might not make it in, but "too big" is not a good reason why.
So is Bowser.
Oh, and King Dedede as well.
Peach was revealed on the 28th Anniversary of Super Mario Bros., September 13th (Japanese time). So looking at previous release dates could also be a nice factor to guessing character reveal dates.
(But this should probably be continued on a topic that involves Ridley and characters).
Zano
Smash Master
That guys sig reminds me, Fawful for smash 4 plz
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Tesh, if what you say is true then how come there have been 3 smash games (about to be 4) and in each one people have BEGGED for ridely but each time it was never put in?
RT
Smash Hero
In all honesty, beside the 2big4smash, movement wise, Ridley would probably be flying only.
How would you handle his moveset?
His recovery moves?
Grabs?
It would be both a balance and technical nightmare.
So the only thing they can do is make him a boss character.
Best example is Petshop from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. He was a flying character that could infinitely fly. Grounded attacks were near useless because, because dohohoho, fly over them. And he could still block.
Do you want a MK that can always fly and be able to block in midair? This is what you are asking for.
How would you handle his moveset?
His recovery moves?
Grabs?
It would be both a balance and technical nightmare.
So the only thing they can do is make him a boss character.
Best example is Petshop from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. He was a flying character that could infinitely fly. Grounded attacks were near useless because, because dohohoho, fly over them. And he could still block.
Do you want a MK that can always fly and be able to block in midair? This is what you are asking for.
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Petshop MM
Come at me bros
Come at me bros
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Someone get on MH
Zano
Smash Master
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
F MH4
i think i heard that its coming to wiiu. is that true?
i think i heard that its coming to wiiu. is that true?
RT
Smash Hero
3DS only release.
No plans at this time for a port, but it's Capcom and they *never* release multiple editions for a game right...?
Get Wonderful 101. Unless you can't handle a REAL difficult game.
No plans at this time for a port, but it's Capcom and they *never* release multiple editions for a game right...?
Get Wonderful 101. Unless you can't handle a REAL difficult game.
Xyro, like I said, Metroid clearly isnt where the other series are. I'm not saying Ridley's chances are great, just that the "too big and too boss" argument is bad. So is the "lol flying" point RT just brought up. MK and Charizard can fly and their abilities were toned down for this spinoff game. Hell they even trip even though their dash animations are just hovering.
Speaking of wonderful 101, target is doing b2g1 free next week on wii u games. Its a good time to pick up w101, pikmin and rayman for 40 each.
Speaking of wonderful 101, target is doing b2g1 free next week on wii u games. Its a good time to pick up w101, pikmin and rayman for 40 each.
RT
Smash Hero
Tesh,
The only realistic character they could bring on is Dark Samus, because it is more reasonable for a human-sized opponent to be in the game than a giant 20-30 foot space pirate dragon.
The only realistic character they could bring on is Dark Samus, because it is more reasonable for a human-sized opponent to be in the game than a giant 20-30 foot space pirate dragon.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
There is a difference between shrinking and growing a characters size.
its more realistic for an olimar/kirby/pikachu to be bigger than it would a ridley to be smaller. come on man. this is literally baby concepts we are talking about.
its more realistic for an olimar/kirby/pikachu to be bigger than it would a ridley to be smaller. come on man. this is literally baby concepts we are talking about.
Yes and I just told you they scaled Bowser down. Do you have a response to that? Do you have any response to the fact that smash is a spinoff and character sizes always get equalized in spinoffs?
If not, then just admit defeat. Ridley is not too big. He may be kept out for other issues but saying its his size is as ******** as saying megaman is too blue and 3rd party for smash.
If your argument applies to a characters thats already in smash, you are just being stupid about it for no reason.
If not, then just admit defeat. Ridley is not too big. He may be kept out for other issues but saying its his size is as ******** as saying megaman is too blue and 3rd party for smash.
If your argument applies to a characters thats already in smash, you are just being stupid about it for no reason.
If you can't refute my point about Bowser and spinoffs, you should just admit defeat. You and RT are intentionallyignoring that part because you know I'm right.
If your argument applies to someone already in Smash, how could it possibly work against Ridley?
What if I told you Megaman can't be in smash because he is "too blue" and "3rd party" and "his eyes are too big" back in 2012? Wouldn't that sound ******** when we already have a blue 3rd party character with big eyes? Just think about how incredibly stupid that sounds when you say Ridley is too big, when Bowser is bigger than Ridley.
If your argument applies to someone already in Smash, how could it possibly work against Ridley?
What if I told you Megaman can't be in smash because he is "too blue" and "3rd party" and "his eyes are too big" back in 2012? Wouldn't that sound ******** when we already have a blue 3rd party character with big eyes? Just think about how incredibly stupid that sounds when you say Ridley is too big, when Bowser is bigger than Ridley.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Did you even read what i said?
again, read what i said, edit you s h i t posts so that it actually addresses what i said and then we can go from there.
I read your post. You and RT both say "making character bigger is okay, but making them smaller wont work".
I say "they already made bowser ALOT smaller for smash and every other spinoff game where he is playable".
If Bowser is in smash, how can size truly be an issue?
I say "they already made bowser ALOT smaller for smash and every other spinoff game where he is playable".
If Bowser is in smash, how can size truly be an issue?
KRDsonic
Smash Master
Character color doesn't affect gameplay mechanics. Megaman is fine. Size does affect gameplay mechanics.
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