Housepets! Mafia - Game Over - Who lived happily ever after in Babylon Gardens?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

correction, T-Block is cleared on a scum flip of Kan, left in the dark on a town flip.

 

[Kantrip]

Were those points the conclusion you've had all along or did you just think about it now?

Again, are you doubting my lynch just because I said I would self hammer?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think something about Guus would be noted with John, too, wouldn't it...?

 

[Kantrip]

The problem now is, if you lynch John toDay and he flips town, then everyone will be at my throat toMorrow and I will end up getting lynched. This will be a town loss.

If John flips town, then town will lose. Basically. I think I am still the play for toDay, and I think Red Ryu or Gustave should be copped.

 

[T-block]

Do you really think we actually have a cop?

 

[Kantrip]

If we don't have a cop, just pressure the **** out of RR toMorrow.

I'm pretty sure it's a RR and Gustave scumteam, but they will be able to slide out of it and lynch me toMorrow if you guys don't lynch me to get me mod-confirmed clear toDay.

Lynch me toDay. Mass claim toMorrow.

Because I don't think anyone does or will trust me enough to lynch RR toDay.

 

[Kantrip]

Can Red Ryu claim before my lynch?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Never played in a game where someone said that and they flipped scum.

There is that, which should be null and I know it hard, but the fact when I went for a walk today I wondered what your lynch gave that a John lynch doesn't.

I think you are scummier, but in the end a townjohn would solidify it and a scumjohn would clear you. I couldn't say that for the reverse as well, since if you flipped scum, I don't think I could auto clear John, that and there is something bugging me mostly with flavor of this game and a john flip would soldify if my read on T-Block is correct.

It's not easy to say the least, I want to say T-Block is town, because I think he is one of two characters and I know his role if he is town.

the thing is I'm not sure,

There is a post where T-Block uses self meta that as scum he couldn't play people in a way it was impossible, trying to redig up that post.

That post turned me off due to the self meta a bit, because I know it is false. T-Block only once was I right about him being scum. Otherwise he has legit fooled me in the others games I read/played where he was scum.

My reread made me think about the connections between him and John a lot, because I was unsure how certain he was town even more so when meta was the main source of the town reads people were initially giving him.

I'm trying to see what a Kan lynch gives that a John doesn't that would solidify a lot more of my reads, because overall my town read on T-Block has been doubted due to TPK's flip and the idea that a town kan flip would implicate for T-Block to me.

 

[T-block]

Can you elaborate on why.

Also reread the thread, John and T-Block scum is possible but I find it unlikely. On a Kantrip town flip though, John scum is far more likely and I would see if I was right about T-Block on a mass claim, since if Kan flips town it would be lylo most likely.

Vote: Kantrip

Pretty sure this is the way to go today.

Never did answer this question.

Some of the points brought up against John, such supporting the fallback lynch idea on TG7, are legitimate, but could easily be poor town play coming from John. He likes to sheep the vocal players. We saw it in this game, and we saw it in MM, where he flipped town. Some of these "tells" move from scum to null for me because of this.

I'm mulling over the John lynch idea at the moment, and I think I still don't like it. He's a player who is always going to be under suspicion... the perfect scummate candidate for bussing in case the stronger scum player needs town cred. Given that possibility, even if he does flip scum, how much can we trust the connections it gives?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gonna leave this sports bar I'll answer when I get back to my apartment.

 

[Kantrip]

What you just said is true, T-Block.

Which is why we should not lynch John toDay.

I want to see a claim from Red Ryu to analyze and give my final thoughts and opinions before you guys lynch me. My town flip will be the best thing for town in the endgame, as long as they keep their head and don't rush anything.

T-Block, if you're town, don't let Red Ryu slide by toMorrow.

Red Ryu, if you're town, don't let T-Block slide by toMorrow.

If we have a cop and they survive the night, we should win if they cop someone logical. If not, it'll be a matter of town being able to discern town from scum out of TB and RR.

 

[T-block]

I'm still pretty damn confident in the read, as I said. It's just that it's one of those situations where there's basically no point in lying any more. The only time I saw JTB lynched IIRC was when he wasn't even there, so I can't say if he's one to lie in Twilight situations. So yes, it is just because of his insistence, and my read on him hasn't even weakened by that much.

You're acting funny, though, Kantrip, and I think it's because I called for a cop on you. You said you agreed with the points in my case against JTB. In other words, you evaluated my points using your own logic and agreed they were sound, which lead you to the conclusion that JTB was scummy. Why, then, are you questioning my motivations? I presented a case, and it was validated by the majority of town, including you and RR, two of the strongest players in this game apart from JTB. I'd have to be a pretty damn good scum manipulator to achieve that unless the scum tells are actually there, no? My motivation has always been to lynch scum, not to mislynch town, and everything should point to that.

It'd be a waste to cop me because I will have myself cleared by toMorrow, assuming I don't die. Cop me if you want, but Kantrip is a much better choice - and that's not just from my perspective.

I'll dig it up for you, RR.

I wasn't using it so much to suggest I was town (and it's not something I would classify as self-meta either) - rather I was trying to say that the scum tells on JTB were actually there, and not something I misrepresented and fabricated, because Kantrip was suggesting that I had pushed a lynch on someone I thought was town, or something crazy like that.

 

[Kantrip]

What I was insinuating at the time was that if you were scum then you would have already known that JTB was town.

If you are town then obviously you would think the JTB flip would be scum, even if it was foolish to put so much faith in D1 reads.

 

[T-block]

Don't count on there being a cop. It's too strong if our idea of what a Town Cult Leader is is accurate.

Gonna thought-vomit for a bit here:

One of Kantrip and RR is scum. I am pretty sure they are not both scum. I used to be convinced that it was Kantrip, but now I'm not so sure.

John lynch is a terrible idea, and RR is scummy for pushing it. He doesn't even think John is the scummiest player, and he (imo) overestimates the quality of the connections we obtain. He knows TPK has put the three of us in an interesting scenario - if Kantrip is lynched and flips town, he knows I have him pegged, and he knows I will push his lynch D3 and knows I probably exert enough influence over town to achieve it. He can't kill me because that guarantees he will be lynched D3 if Kantrip flips town. He therefore needs to not to lynch Kantrip toDay to keep the pool of TPK-targets large. This is the ONLY reason I can think of for RR to want a John lynch over a Kantrip lynch... would townRR really push John over Kantrip? Does he actually believe so strongly in the connections that he's willing to lynch a less scummy player?

Then, he says in 764 that John is his number one pick if we were to lynch Kantrip and he were to flip town... he doesn't list me as a pick because he wants to set up D3 so that we work together to push for John, which is much easier for him than setting it up so that it's TB vs. RR D3.

Then again, he probably knows my character, which might be enough to sway him from thinking one of Kan/TB/RR must be scum (if he has it right... there's really no way my character is scum at the moment, based on my limited knowledge of this comic). He has also been playing well up until recently.

Kantrip has been much scummier throughout the earlier part of the game, with the switching opinions on JTB's wagon and posts at the end of D1 that looked artificial wrt JTB's lynch. There was the comparison cop gambit which really feels like it was scum-motivated he pulled on John. I'm still unsure of what to make of his attitude towards John... he seemed pretty damn sure that John was scum, taking that fact as truth to draw conclusion on me and RR, but now he is scared of mislynching him. Is his fear of mislynching John genuine town fear? Would scum have a reason for doing this outside of the AtE factor? He's hoping that the John lynch will still go through, and he'll gain town cred for approaching it this way. I think the thing that's scummy about this is that he supposedly didn't realize what a townJohn lynch would do at the beginning, but he could honestly have just realized that...

So... do I want RR to claim? I think so...? Will it do anything now that Kantrip has claimed VT? Probably not much. But if he's town, scum wouldn't NK him after this anyways, so it should be fine - only problem is if scum has a roleblocker. Yeah, I think RR should claim.

Goddammit guys, why can't one of you play well to make this decision easier -_-

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I am Bino, VT.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Bino
You got a problem with that?

All I want is your complete and unquestioning loyalty! Is that too much to ask?

The ringleader of the neighborhood dogs and chairdog of the Good Ol’ Dogs Club. That is, to the extent that his older brother Fido isn’t around. Bino derives the respect he gets simply by blood relations. For most dogs, that’s good enough, nevermind the fact that Bino is almost nothing like Fido. He’s envious, greedy, stingy, obnoxious, petty, and downright mean, and if you know a little something about dogs, that can rub off rather easily.

His main posse consists of Fox and Rex. Joey sometimes tags along, but because Joey is exceedingly weird and isn’t part of the Good Ol’ Dogs Club proper, he’s often left out.

Reference.

 

[T-block]

Goddammit.

For my reference:

Alive -
2. Gustave
3. John2k4 - Rock, VT
5. Kantrip - Spo, VT
6. Red Ryu - Bino, VT
7. T-block
8. Terywj
10. DtJ Glyphmoney

Dead Player List:
4. JTB - Zach, VT
1. Auspher - Peanut, VT
9. The Paprika Killer - Fido, Cult Leader

 

[John2k4]

Most of the roles seem to be VT...there's 5 claims of it so far, with two confirmed.

How many scum do you think there are, TB?

 

[T-block]

There's gotta be two. Possibly an indy, but I doubt it.

John, Kantrip or RR for toDay?

 

[Kantrip]

That's a lot of claimed VT's.

T-Block, you just put into writing what I was having a hard time expressing about Red Ryu is doing with switching the wagon now. I think the reason that you guys had the pool of possible TPK targets narrowed down to 3 or 4 rather than realizing it was one of you two is because that would heavily incriminate the other if we lynch one.

If I recall corrrectly, Red Ryu was the one who pushed for the fact that it could be me or John as well. It was you, T-Block, who said flat out that it's not John (which I agree with). The step further would be to realize it's not me either, and to have it narrowed down to RR right then and there. If lynching me toDay is what it will take for you to realize Red Ryu is scum, that's fine by me.

I will admit that my play in this game has been bad in a lot of regards, but (and I'm not trying to pull a noob card here) I am still learning the different corners of mafia and trying a different playstyle with each game. Obviously the one I used this game (rushing into things hard headed and being opinionated) was a horrid idea, but it works for some players.

I don't like Red Ryu's character claim at face value. I know nothing of the comic, but that guy just looks and sounds like a bad dog. I don't know why Red Ryu flat out refused to claim earlier as a VT, I really thought he was trying to keep himself safe as a PR from that, but apparently not. Personally, I think he knew his claim would be shaky.

Either way, his VT claim makes me lean even more to him scum.

Vote: Red Ryu


If this lynch doesn't happen, I'll hammer myself before deadline.

 

[Kantrip]

So Bino leads a gang, right? A gang that could be the scumteam? Him and that bull-dog guy, probably. I'm looking up the comics now to get a grasp on characters.

My character is certainly a lot more townie than his, so there's that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm well away my character is a ******* in the comics.

I would never claim as a VT or a PR because I'd rather leave it up to WIFOM for scum to figure out.

 

[John2k4]

Impromptu vote count, since I want to know what RR is at...

votee|voters
John2k4|Gustave/Terywj
T-block|DtJ Glyphmoney/
Kantrip|John2k4/T-block/Red Ryu/
Red Ryu|Kantrip


...

You're his only vote Kanty, but your post there intrigues me...

 

[John2k4]

Red Ryu you didn't see my question a while back...do you have a Wiki or something you can link with the character information? I want to read up on it too...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So Bino leads a gang, right? A gang that could be the scumteam? Him and that bull-dog guy, probably. I'm looking up the comics now to get a grasp on characters.

My character is certainly a lot more townie than his, so there's that.

WIFOM on flavor.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu you didn't see my question a while back...do you have a Wiki or something you can link with the character information? I want to read up on it too...

http://www.housepetscomic.com/cast/'

this is what I am using.

 

[T-block]

I think the reason that you guys had the pool of possible TPK targets narrowed down to 3 or 4 rather than realizing it was one of you two is because that would heavily incriminate the other if we lynch one.

Not entirely sure what you're trying to say with this.

I honestly do believe it is just as likely that TPK targetted you rather than RR or me, just because I don't really know how strong of a player he is (and I don't think anyone here really does either). If I actually thought that it was either me or RR, I would have pushed for RR's lynch right away =\

If I recall corrrectly, Red Ryu was the one who pushed for the fact that it could be me or John as well. It was you, T-Block, who said flat out that it's not John (which I agree with). The step further would be to realize it's not me either, and to have it narrowed down to RR right then and there. If lynching me toDay is what it will take for you to realize Red Ryu is scum, that's fine by me.

Yeah, I find it really hard to agree with any lynch that isn't one of the three of us. There's no lynch outside that triangle that's going to give more information, thanks to TPK.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes, we're lynching me or Red Ryu toDay.

What I mean by that is that scum would want to try to keep the pool of possible TPK targets as large as possible, right? The reason for this is because the more people there are in the possible suspects, the easier it is for the actual scum to slide by. This is why it is scummy to suggest some people could have been targets when they really couldn't have.

I played in the last Disco Room Mafia game, which included TPK in it. I can say he is not a newb and his choice would have at least made sense. I'm not trying to suggest that it couldn't been me logically.

 

[T-block]

Oh. Yes that's true. I still think it's possible he targetted you though. If that makes me scummy then w/e lol

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If we're picking between Kantrip and Red Ryu I'd be down for Red Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And yeah this all came from me rethinking John and Kantrip really since I'm not sure if Kan is the best pick today between the two.

 

[Kantrip]

That is not what this came from at all. I just didn't think anyone would lynch you before. Don't try that AtE stuff with "oh woe is me I'm getting lynched for rethinking blah blah".

Fido and Bino are brothers, right? But they seem to antagonize each other. Rex the bulldog seems to be like at Bino's side a lot, and he's pretty intimidating. Call this WIFOM if you want Red Ryu.

T-Block, it comes down to intent of why you're trying to keep the lynch pool open. If you re-read over at the start of the day when I brought up the cult leader role, you can see what Red Ryu said and see for yourself what you believe he was thinking while posting.

Also I think I know your character but I don't know how Red Ryu suspects your role.

 

[T-block]

I basically told RR my role when I trusted him. If you didn't read the comics, you wouldn't have picked it up though.

Tery, what's your reasoning for RR over Kantrip?

 

[John2k4]

Unvote

We have 24 hours left in this Day. I don't want Kanty to make a bad decision and kill himself before then. He's still got my vote, and I'll replace it later tomorrow.

 

[T-block]

unofficial votecount

votee|voters
John2k4|Gustave/Terywj/
T-block|DtJ Glyphmoney/
Kantrip|T-block/
Red Ryu|
No Vote|Kantrip/Red Ryu/John2k4

 

[Kantrip]

My vote is on RR, T-Block.

Should I re-read back and try to find the role thing? Will I get it now that I've read the comics?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You clearly haven't read the comic if you think that.

Yeah they are, Bino is jealous of Fido because of him being a cop and being loved where as Bino gets no attention. They still care for each other despite Bino being a ****.

Fox is not an *******, like wow, the fact you put him in initially surprises me at all and proves you know nothing.

Rex is not a jerk, he follows Bino and that is the only one who loves cooking anf does look out for other people at times. Beat your gonna get is the first time they appeared and kicked Peanut out of the Dog's club for liking cats, Fox in turn befriended King who had no friends and was completely ****ed on by Bino.

Yeah my character is a prick, but really there are multiple others like Pete, PETA members, the duo thieves, the more recent robbers.

This is WIFOM and flavor related, I clear Auspher because of what I know of T-Block. Not directly because he was Peanut from a flavor standpoint, because I considered Peanut + Grape as a possible scum team from an odd flavor side, I looked and play and noticed clues. This is why I cleared Auspher, His death added WIFOM to if T-Block did it to clear himself, but it's WIFOM and scum could have seen the clear that was on him and went for the shot.

Seriously, your reaching hard on flavor.

 

[T-block]

unofficial votecount

votee|voters
John2k4|Gustave/Terywj/
T-block|DtJ Glyphmoney/
Kantrip|T-block/
Red Ryu|Kantrip
No Vote|Red Ryu/John2k4

I don't know why you would bother looking for my role. Why is it so important for you to know?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I didn't look, I put two and two together based on posts.

 

[T-block]

That was @Kantrip.