Housepets! Mafia - Game Over - Who lived happily ever after in Babylon Gardens?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Just gonna note Grape is a viable alternative to Terra as well it fit the role if flavor is important here.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Why do you present the most favourable claim to him before he claims?

 

[Jim Morrison]

EBWOP: The favourable claims*

 

[T-block]

Uhh... Terra = Tarot? If so, then yes.

I am Tarot, Town Specific Mason Recruiter. Crumb here:

These characters have pretty big ears. They're like elephant ears.

The Wikipedia page for "Taro" states that the plant is often referred to locally as "elephant ears".

Each night I can search for Peanut, who is confirmed town to me in my role PM. If I find him, we establish mason communications as mod-confirmed town. My character is psychic, and can talk telepathically, but apparently only to Peanut? That's why when Auspher claimed Peanut and there was no CC, I knew he was town. I said I could clear BOTH myself and Auspher D2, which I would have done by masoning and having us verify each other D2. Then scum killed Auspher -_-

tempted to claim

i can clear both me and auspher toNight, assuming i live

Of course, I crumbed that I was searching for Peanut too:

Quite the show so far...

*goes to look for peanuts to snack on*

I couldn't find any peanuts >=(

I have one other passive ability. At the beginning of each day, the mod will tell me whether any of the following statements (paraphrased) are true:

• If a No Lynch occurs, town will lose the game before the next Day.
• If a No Lynch occurs, town could potentially lose the game before the next Day.
• If a town member is lynched, town will lose the game before the next Day.
• If a town member is lynched, town could potentially lose the game before the next Day.

From what I've read about my character, this aligns with her ability to see the future, crumbed here:

I can see the future - JTB isn't lying

vote: Tokyogamer7

I was told that the second and third statements were true toDay. There are a few implications that come from the fact that I'm told about these four statements, but I'll go into that after everyone claims.

I thought it was weird at first that TPK flipped Town Cult Leader, which would likely recruit players into a masonry, as it seemed to conflict with my role. That's why I cautioned you guys to not make any assumptions about his role here:

On TPK's death, I agree it's likely that he targetted mafia and died as a result, but the only thing I feel comfortably saying for sure is that there's not another killing role in a game this small.

I need to caution everyone to not stick too hard to any assumptions we make - the only information I can find about a Cult Leader is an independent one, not a town-aligned one, and the mod has gone out of his way to hint that it may not be what we expect. Plus, the nature of my role suggests that there is something... weird going on with this game (in more ways than one). Don't put too much faith in the role name - in Gurren Lagann I was Town One-way Mason, but it was actually just an informed townie role.

Anyways, without the additional information I posess, Occam's Razor would suggest for you that he attempted to recruit mafia and died as a result. Even my information doesn't contradict this possibility, so let's go with this assumption for now.

However, I think this does make sense overall, and that's why I don't believe we have an investigative role. Roles like mine and TPK's are the way town is going to gain information. The fact that we're both mason recruiters doesn't really contradict when you consider that mine was a specific target. If Peanut is recruited before I am, I become a regular townie with mod-confirmed information, which is fine because Town Cult Leader is incredibly strong for town. If I get recruited before Peanut and TPK dies one way or another, I still have a chance to expand the masonry (I don't die if I target scum). The fact that I have information about whether we're in MYLO/LYLO, etc. also synergizes well wtih a town cult format, as that information can be shared and trusted.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Tery claims.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm Joey, Vanilla Townie.

I never crumbed or anything.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm Fox, vanilla townie, no crumbs either.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well this is super interesting.

 

[T-block]

Hmm... I was really expecting a protective claim or a roleblocker... The fact that the statements differentiate between a definite loss and a potential loss suggests that there is something that can interfere with mafia kills.

I'm wondering why I wasn't told the first statement was true then... either mod is considering the possibility that mafia doesn't send in a kill for whatever reason, or mafia within itself can somehow fail to kill. The first possibility is probably more likely.

 

[Jim Morrison]

It's too late to make an elaborate post now for me, but that doesn't excuse you. I'd love to see a post from everyone regarding their current stance on the situation with all the claims on the table and information from Kans lynch.

I'll do the same when I get back.

 

[T-block]

Actually, if the mod is accounting for mafia failing to send in a kill, would the first statement ever be true over the second?...

So, something can still stop mafia from killing. Or the first statement is just a red herring, which is possible too.

Not like it matters at this point anyways - we need to lynch scum toDay either way.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My guess, when the cult leader die, everyone in the cult dies. Which would explain the statments.

Also wtf at all the VTs.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Even worse everyone else is in the Bino Gang. :/

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So it's reverse psychology and people who aren't members of the Gang are scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's possible, I mean John's claim screams safe claim since his is the most obscure character flavor wise.

Otherwise, excluding T-Block, Myself, Tery and Gustave are all apart of it.

 

[T-block]

Umm...so Zach and Spo were part of the gang too? -_-

Pretty clear RR needs to die.

Tery, Gustave, John, what do you think of this? If you disagree, suggest an alternative course of action.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Spo and Zach weren't only Tery and Gustave's characters are part of it.

Tell me why I need to die, 100% sure John is scum at this point, Kan flip pretty much tells me he was scum between the two.

And lesson to peeps with a role like a hider or TPK's you crumb it so people know where to look if you die.

 

[T-block]

Then why did you say it's possible that the set up is such that scum is non-gang members to Tery?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because of whagt Kantrip said yesturday with the gang, Tery asked me if it is reverse psy where gang members aren't, it pretty much is establish that one of the three is scum.

John screams scum from play and his VT character.

Your seriously derping if you think I'm trying to point the finger at you.

 

[John2k4]

If both RR and TB are town, I really want to know why scum have not NKilled either of them yet...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hey John, where you at?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

LOL that ninja.

That scenario is highly unlikely.

 

[John2k4]

Exactly - since they are both very strong players, part of me is thinking they are a scumbuddies, since I figured any sane scum team would have targeted one/both of them for a NK, to leave basically a noobtown in control. Therefore, they would get an easy win.

 

[T-block]

Pretty clear RR needs to die.

Tery, Gustave, John, what do you think of this? If you disagree, suggest an alternative course of action.

JOHN AND TERY

This question is incredibly important, so stop ignoring it -_-

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That screams "Obvious kill target is obvious."

I think Red Ryu or John should go.

 

[T-block]

Then I take it to mean that you think the scum team is RR-John, right?

 

[John2k4]

I'd be fine with eliminating RR, yes.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Then I take it to mean that you think the scum team is RR-John, right?

I'd be down for that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh man...

Imma let Kantrip take this one.

*goes to find peanuts to snack on*

If both RR and TB are town, I really want to know why scum have not NKilled either of them yet...

No one knew there wasn't a doc, or heck that T-Block was the only town PR in the game outside of TPK.

Shootling at the not claimed players when the #1 townie player had WIFOM of a potiential doc seems wise from a scum standpoint.

 

[T-block]

If both RR and TB are town, I really want to know why scum have not NKilled either of them yet...

We're NOT BOTH TOWN goddammit.

RR is scum. I'll tell you why we're both still alive (even though I've said it before )

RR won't die because he's scum. I won't die because TPK's death means one of Kantrip, RR, or T-block is scum. If he kills me, my town flip points to it being more likely that he was the one targetted. This is also why he tried to divert the lynch yesterDay to you - he knew Kantrip would flip town, which also points to it being more likely that he was the one targetted. In particular, he knew that I would KNOW TPK targetted RR, because I know I'm town, and that I would push him, as I'm doing now.

Please reply to confirm that you understand this -_-

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If John is scum it has to be Tery.

Gustave either pulled off a super convincing bus with wanting John dead over me with Kantrip's case or he's not aligned with John no way.

Gustave could be scum with Tery but nigh unlikely with how he has been acting with the roaster. He's favored player's who flipped town and pretty much is #2 townie next to T-Block.

It has to be Tery and John, if I'm looking at the flips and reads correctly.

We're NOT BOTH TOWN goddammit.

RR is scum. I'll tell you why we're both still alive (even though I've said it before )

RR won't die because he's scum. I won't die because TPK's death means one of Kantrip, RR, or T-block is scum. If he kills me, my town flip points to it being more likely that he was the one targetted. This is also why he tried to divert the lynch yesterDay to you - he knew Kantrip would flip town, which also points to it being more likely that he was the one targetted. In particular, he knew that I would KNOW TPK targetted RR, because I know I'm town, and that I would push him, as I'm doing now.

Please reply to confirm that you understand this -_-

Confirm why John wasn't picked again?

And why I am scum from a play standpoint.

 

[John2k4]

That's a very good point you have there TB. I read through it and understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way but I'm more comfortable with Red Ryu.

 

[John2k4]

I would be fine having RR be the play today.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We're NOT BOTH TOWN goddammit./QUOTE]

I want to further emphasis to ask, why this can't be true.

 

[T-block]

John who is the second scum? Bonus points if you can give reasoning for your choice.

If John is scum it has to be Tery.

Gustave either pulled off a super convincing bus with wanting John dead over me with Kantrip's case or he's not aligned with John no way.

Gustave could be scum with Tery but nigh unlikely with how he has been acting with the roaster. He's favored player's who flipped town and pretty much is #2 townie next to T-Block.

It has to be Tery and John, if I'm looking at the flips and reads correctly.



Confirm why John wasn't picked again?

And why I am scum from a play standpoint.

You REALLY think TPK picked John? John, who was a null read who did not take any strong stance with respect to JTB, meaning there would be nothing to potentially move him from that null read, unlike for Kantrip? John, who basically didn't do anything except sheep other players for all of D1? What utility would TPK possibly see in being mason'd with John, no matter how good of a player TPK is?

From a play standpoint, you didn't do anything scummy until the second half of D2. You played well, but none of that matters because PoE says you are scum.

 

[John2k4]

Tery is the second scum.

He's scarce for most of the major "arguments", yet always here to hammer. Has hardly questioned any of the lynches of the past two days.

(Yes, I know you had a blizzard or something Tery, that's not influencing this.)

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I always try not to interfere with competent arguments and discussions. I got called out for that many times in my earlier games here, so I keep to that. I've been completely okay with the lynches as they were at the time and was one of the few people left when the hammer was needed.

These concepts weren't even used in your original stances against me when I was "obviously scum". You're just adjusting your read accordingly to mirror the situation at hand.

I'm not even going to bother bringing up how you dodged all my questions from the past two days.

 

[T-block]

I accidentally ninja'd Glyph but whatever.

I'm more inclined for T-Block if Kantrip is town. Although it's probably just as debatable otherwise.

Tery, why did you change your mind from this post?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

John who is the second scum? Bonus points if you can give reasoning for your choice.



You REALLY think TPK picked John? John, who was a null read who did not take any strong stance with respect to JTB, meaning there would be nothing to potentially move him from that null read, unlike for Kantrip? John, who basically didn't do anything except sheep other players for all of D1? What utility would TPK possibly see in being mason'd with John, no matter how good of a player TPK is?

From a play standpoint, you didn't do anything scummy until the second half of D2.

You really think TPK would do that, his play from the last Disco Room and what he did with his role is past Disco room games doesn't make me trust he would do the right thing with his role.

You have to consider human error. I've seen and done ******** things with roles before. Soup claims a Guilty on WL for flavor in Glyph's Upick, when he didn't have said guilty and lied about his sanity after the fact to get a Joey lynched, as town.

He had him as a null, from his standpoint any of the four were his picks, John is in no way cleared from not being a pick.

Yes it is more likely he picked me, nothing from my play suggests scum, his play is reeking of scummy behavior after a Kan lynch pretty much verifies that Kan has town intent when he pushed John.

He has either deflected to meta as a noob or outright ignored scummy points brought up as Gustave pointed out.

I don't see how he is in any way cleared at this point.

You played well, but none of that matters because PoE says you are scum.

PoE points to John and Tery from a play perspective, it's dang obvious they are busing each other at this point based on their picks.

PoE points to me and John from a TPK pick, John is the logical choice.