Dpete
Carnifex
SHAD his dash approaches, probably followed up best by Nair.
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Q&A Hint Block: Yoshi Question and Answer Thread
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Codaption
Smash Ace
That's....really convenient, actually. Rob is actually one of my mains, and in fact easily my best character in ssb4.
Neutral B in any way can catch fast characters off guard.
What's SHAD?
Yeah I find myself too freaked out to think, and pretty much only jumping and nairing into Faclon's shield, only to get grabbed.
Thanks I'll try to mix it up in those situations.
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Dpete
Carnifex
Short Hop Air Dodge. Yoshi has a ton of options after the air dodge ends but before he hits the ground, most commonly Nair.
SmashRacer
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It means Short Hop Air Dodge
Marrow
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I've found it easier than any other characters I play ( mainly
and ). If normal trumps aren't enough, we even have trump-eggs.
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Lukingordex
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lol guys don't rely on SHAD that hard It's not 100% safe. Falcon can punish you by jabbing or by just shield grabing it if he sees it coming. Use it ocasionally only.
Falcon has a problem that we Yoshi mains need to start abusing:
His main approaches are with Dash Grabs, Dash attacks or SH uairs.
If you see an approach coming, try jumping away from him while still facing to him. You'll be able to punish whichever option he chooses. A Falcon main gave me this advice and now it's making the MU a lot less problematic than before.
Falcon has a problem that we Yoshi mains need to start abusing:
His main approaches are with Dash Grabs, Dash attacks or SH uairs.
If you see an approach coming, try jumping away from him while still facing to him. You'll be able to punish whichever option he chooses. A Falcon main gave me this advice and now it's making the MU a lot less problematic than before.
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Thanks I'll try this out at my next locals and let you know how it goes.
Baron Omega
Smash Apprentice
hey guys its been a long while since I have been on this thread but I feel as if I am once again in another pickle......I don't know what is happening to me in terms of my skill but I am starting to slowly go down placings within the ranking battles in Melbourne for I cannot fathom to even understand. I am starting to struggle more often than not in my matches and I feel as if I cant do anything to get better. I see other players getting either good placings and whatever and slowly I am not being able to keep up.
Melbourne now has over 100+ competitors now for smash 4 being the June ranking battle being 106 players now. I only just scrape 25th out of the lot unlike when I first went to a ranking battle for smash 4 got 13th and that was with around 50-60 players tops back in December 2014. I almost even lost to a player that I shouldn't of lost to (due to typical rage effects) but like other times I do well and I dont know why it is that I am starting to do not as well as I once did. It didn't help that this monthly I had not much practice this time due to uni assignments due round the corner but it doesn't explain either why I seem to freeze up during my matches. I have come for all your wisdoms combined and if I could be explained the faults I am having. I feel more and more down on myself as a player each I see the ELO rankings and the placing in tournaments now since I had gotten 17th in two months before now I am getting 25th in the latest two tournaments. plus a little Wario match up advice would be awesome too
Thanks
Baron
Melbourne now has over 100+ competitors now for smash 4 being the June ranking battle being 106 players now. I only just scrape 25th out of the lot unlike when I first went to a ranking battle for smash 4 got 13th and that was with around 50-60 players tops back in December 2014. I almost even lost to a player that I shouldn't of lost to (due to typical rage effects) but like other times I do well and I dont know why it is that I am starting to do not as well as I once did. It didn't help that this monthly I had not much practice this time due to uni assignments due round the corner but it doesn't explain either why I seem to freeze up during my matches. I have come for all your wisdoms combined and if I could be explained the faults I am having. I feel more and more down on myself as a player each I see the ELO rankings and the placing in tournaments now since I had gotten 17th in two months before now I am getting 25th in the latest two tournaments. plus a little Wario match up advice would be awesome too
Thanks
Baron
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Codaption
Smash Ace
If there's more people coming, then naturally I'd think placing so would start to shift around for the people already there...that being said, it sounds like you don't see that as the issue.
Do you play these same people a lot? Maybe they're getting a good grasp on your habits and such- if so, now' sa good time to try new things and get introduced to the more mental side of smash.
Do you play these same people a lot? Maybe they're getting a good grasp on your habits and such- if so, now' sa good time to try new things and get introduced to the more mental side of smash.
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Baron Omega
Smash Apprentice
umm not really and some I have never even vs'd before
I just seem to struggle more than anything now
and I just simply dont know what to do
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
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Baron Omega
I think you're having problems with your mindset. I saw things in your post about almost losing to "someone you shouldn't lose to", or that you're feeling bad when you look at the rankings.
You need to get your head straight again. I've seen things like this happen when rising players hit a certain point of success, and then they just sort of fall into this mindset where they think they're better than most other players except the real top players. And they really start caring about rankings.
You either need to start thinking EVERY player is capable of beating you, so you start taking everyone seriously, OR you need to think NOBODY should be beating you, and that you are capable of winning every match and beating everyone you come across. But thinking that some players are BENEATH you while others are untouchable, is a pretty bad mindset to have. Plus, it sort of causes a losing attitude. If this person who's BENEATH you say, gimps you or makes some reads and gets a good chain off, you're going to get flustered, and lose your cool, play worse, then lose. On the flipside, when you go up against players who are above you, you go in thinking, "Oh, I should probably lose, but it'd be pretty cool if I did something here", so you don't play as well, because you've already accepted defeat.
It's okay to have this kind of mindset when you're really bad and still trying to learn the game, because you should be playing to learn. But once you hit a certain skill level, you should be playing to win, so you should have the attitude that you CAN win, and that you'll be playing your hardest to win. When you lose, that's when you can look back and learn from your mistakes (recordings, ask for advice, etc.)
Also, stop caring about rank. Rankings don't matter. You playing well and winning matter. Don't even look at the ELO. It's worthless. It means nothing with regard to how you play! It's just a number. The only feedback you need while competing is the result of your matches. Just go out there and win. Everything else is extraneous.
In short: JUST DO IT.
Baron Omega
I think you're having problems with your mindset. I saw things in your post about almost losing to "someone you shouldn't lose to", or that you're feeling bad when you look at the rankings.You need to get your head straight again. I've seen things like this happen when rising players hit a certain point of success, and then they just sort of fall into this mindset where they think they're better than most other players except the real top players. And they really start caring about rankings.
You either need to start thinking EVERY player is capable of beating you, so you start taking everyone seriously, OR you need to think NOBODY should be beating you, and that you are capable of winning every match and beating everyone you come across. But thinking that some players are BENEATH you while others are untouchable, is a pretty bad mindset to have. Plus, it sort of causes a losing attitude. If this person who's BENEATH you say, gimps you or makes some reads and gets a good chain off, you're going to get flustered, and lose your cool, play worse, then lose. On the flipside, when you go up against players who are above you, you go in thinking, "Oh, I should probably lose, but it'd be pretty cool if I did something here", so you don't play as well, because you've already accepted defeat.
It's okay to have this kind of mindset when you're really bad and still trying to learn the game, because you should be playing to learn. But once you hit a certain skill level, you should be playing to win, so you should have the attitude that you CAN win, and that you'll be playing your hardest to win. When you lose, that's when you can look back and learn from your mistakes (recordings, ask for advice, etc.)
Also, stop caring about rank. Rankings don't matter. You playing well and winning matter. Don't even look at the ELO. It's worthless. It means nothing with regard to how you play! It's just a number. The only feedback you need while competing is the result of your matches. Just go out there and win. Everything else is extraneous.
In short: JUST DO IT.
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Baron Omega
Smash Apprentice
Thanks man its honestly killing me in the fact I feel mostly that I freeze up when playing people as well and cause of that it makes me less capable of doing well and makes me struggle, I 100% understand that anyone is beatable not everyone is a god cause I once learned that at my first tourney ever the hard way. I do certainly know that its all about mindset really and to just have the confidence in myself. So in esscence believe in the me that believe in me@
You need to get your head straight again. I've seen things like this happen when rising players hit a certain point of success, and then they just sort of fall into this mindset where they think they're better than most other players except the real top players. And they really start caring about rankings.
You either need to start thinking EVERY player is capable of beating you, so you start taking everyone seriously, OR you need to think NOBODY should be beating you, and that you are capable of winning every match and beating everyone you come across. But thinking that some players are BENEATH you while others are untouchable, is a pretty bad mindset to have. Plus, it sort of causes a losing attitude. If this person who's BENEATH you say, gimps you or makes some reads and gets a good chain off, you're going to get flustered, and lose your cool, play worse, then lose. On the flipside, when you go up against players who are above you, you go in thinking, "Oh, I should probably lose, but it'd be pretty cool if I did something here", so you don't play as well, because you've already accepted defeat.
It's okay to have this kind of mindset when you're really bad and still trying to learn the game, because you should be playing to learn. But once you hit a certain skill level, you should be playing to win, so you should have the attitude that you CAN win, and that you'll be playing your hardest to win. When you lose, that's when you can look back and learn from your mistakes (recordings, ask for advice, etc.)
Also, stop caring about rank. Rankings don't matter. You playing well and winning matter. Don't even look at the ELO. It's worthless. It means nothing with regard to how you play! It's just a number. The only feedback you need while competing is the result of your matches. Just go out there and win. Everything else is extraneous.
In short: JUST DO IT.
DunnoBro
The Free-est
Any tips/flowchart to using sh air dodge as an approach? It seems super useful, it's essentially an aggressive roll, and the timing is just perfect for either nair or egg lay.
Also about SHAD vs Falcon though, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too helpful against him or other characters that tend to buffer out hitboxes. (Falcon jab, zss blaster, sonic spindash, luigi fireballs, etc)
Also about SHAD vs Falcon though, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too helpful against him or other characters that tend to buffer out hitboxes. (Falcon jab, zss blaster, sonic spindash, luigi fireballs, etc)
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I try to stay on the ground and bait out his banana with shield. There really isn't much else to beat his banana, so just stay back and eggz fer dayz. Be very careful landing next to him, with that I'd try SHAD egg lay as a mix up and retreating fairs might also work.
Edit: Also might consider landing and immediately doing either a ftilt or a ftilt, depending on the distance and timing.
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Delta-cod
Smash Hero
oh awesome mi Skype tag is CarlosEnciso05 I really want to join the group do you know who can add me?
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Delta-cod
Smash Hero
I've sent you a contact request on Skype. I'll add you when you've accepted.
Off topic but I like how fast this Shia thing took off. I feel like he knew it'd get this crazy.
Ok I already accepted you
Codaption
Smash Ace
What "Shia thing?" I'm not particularly on top of the news in the community.
Newtonjar
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So I am tryin to get better with my yoshi (aren't we all though) and something I recognize is that yoshi's egg toss is pretty essential to his gameplay. But right now it is still tricky for me to aim my eggs where I want it to go. Right now I am just practicing by going in training mode and setting the cpu to either run or attack depending on what I feel like doing. So anybody could put their suggestions or methods of practicing with egg toss that would be great. And I hope this could be a good resource for anybody who wants to improve their egg tossing skills.
But If there is a good thread I missed or someplace where this has been discussed in full detail please let me know.
But If there is a good thread I missed or someplace where this has been discussed in full detail please let me know.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Merged with the Q&A thread.
To practice getting better with Egg Toss, I really recommend that you just get used to hitting all the possible angles with the move, then try it in matches against CPUs to simulate pressure. I never really had to practice it much, it just sorta came naturally to me, so hopefully someone who's needed to practice can give good advice. In general, repetition of the move and its various angles would be good to do, because it'll help develop the muscle memory you want to use it in a match.
I also think it's important to understand how the egg's travel path is determined. I wrote a post a while back about it, which I'll just copy here:
Peppa
Time's up, pipsqueak. I'm gone!
I know its a dumb question, but I've heard Jab upsmash is guaranteed and it seems like if it his its one of the safer kill confirms in the game. However after a month of Luigi practice, I'm canceling the jabs with a buffered dash, either upsmash on Yoshi or grab on the Weeg. Sometimes the opponent will shield of jump away even if its a fast input and I don't move anywhere.
Is it a jab to jump cancelled up smash or is my method okay?
Is it a jab to jump cancelled up smash or is my method okay?
stripheR
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There is a local player that absolutely destroys my captain falcon locally. I don't have real secondary, but I am willing to pickup whatever character JUST to beat yoshi. what character do you guys suggest I pickup?
fwiw this is @ competitive level, and this guy has taken games off of some of texas's best players.
we played for 4-5 hours last night locally, and the only 2 times I won out of 70+ matches were because he sd'ed once in each game.
fwiw this is @ competitive level, and this guy has taken games off of some of texas's best players.
we played for 4-5 hours last night locally, and the only 2 times I won out of 70+ matches were because he sd'ed once in each game.
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Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Merged with Q&A thread.
I'd recommend a fast character. Falcon is actually a good choice in my opinion, since I think the MU is about even. If you're looking for an easier time, pick up Sheik and learn how to take advantage of frame data. Yoshi struggles with really fast, oppressive characters in his face.
Scarlet Jile
Smash Lord
Sounds like you need to get good, honky.
ReturningFall
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I'd like to double this request for tips.
Learning NOT to SHAD at every possible opportunity was the first thing I had to learn in Smash 4. It literally was my go-to tactic in Brawl ('cuz tripping, and no, I didn't play Brawl competitively).
I recommend considering trying to crossup with it (because jabbing a crossup is hard) and reading/punishing the opponent's reaction. Against guys with long range attacks and holes up close (e.g. Marth) dodging through his hitbox range and Nair'ing is perfect.
Looking at http://smashboards.com/threads/roll-air-dodge-frame-data.401323/ it seems SHAD->Nair is active 7 frames after end of SHAD invincibility (36 frames from the first animation), which is totally interruptible on reaction by basically anyone (3 hit jab combo anyone?) and I can say it's trajectory is pretty readable too.
That said, Japan tends to lead the meta development and they started all doing this at once as I understand and the Marthina boards seem pretty heavy on SHAD too. So I'm probably missing something. Again, any ideas?
muddykips
Smash Apprentice
...isn't doublejump's armor instantaneous?
cause i was thinking, couldn't you DJ OoS against multihit moves to get a punish in while the attack is still going on, rather than waiting for the move to end (at which point they'll probably be out of range)?
cause i was thinking, couldn't you DJ OoS against multihit moves to get a punish in while the attack is still going on, rather than waiting for the move to end (at which point they'll probably be out of range)?
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
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ReturningFall
Try using SHAD more as a tool to break walls rather than as a raw approach. The value of SHAD comes from it getting us through attacks.
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muddykips
There's still the 7 or so frames of jump squat before we even get airborne from shield, so that doesn't quite work.
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muddykips
There's still the 7 or so frames of jump squat before we even get airborne from shield, so that doesn't quite work.
Masonomace
Yeah Shulk, get stuck in!
Yoshi having the ability to jump out of shield feels great, but my question is: Can Yoshi fall through a platform out of egg shield?
EDIT: I've been trying this for 5+ minutes & haven't gotten any success.
EDIT: I've been trying this for 5+ minutes & haven't gotten any success.
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No he can't. Brawl was platform drop but no OoS options. Smash 4 is OoS options and no platform drop.
Masonomace
Yeah Shulk, get stuck in!
That's a bit of a bummer, but thanks to the max. OoS N-air / U-smash are swell options nonetheless.
WalrusBiscuit
Smash Journeyman
I was wondering what I should practice to get better with the character.