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Higurashi Mafia - Game Over! Who won?
- Thread starter JTB
- Start date
Don't even pretend like you can read me correctly and try and throw together some BS reasoning to make it sound like you actually know what is going on this game.
It only makes yourself look worse.
Dooms
KY/KP Joey
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I can say that I will only be on for 3 hours in the next two days together due to band. Will respond to everything when I'm here (not really here right now, leaving for school). Pretty much V/LA for the next two days.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I don't see how he could have been lying if there has been no counter-claim. There's bound to be some form of his role and, if he was scum, it would have been stupid to choose that role to claim as.
Give me some reason for his lynch that doesn't revolve around his inactivity or inability to post and I might be willing to believe you. Otherwise, you're not the first person to make this argument.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
my argument isnt just inactivity, Sang. its that he put on heirs that he was so content with being lynched and then pretty much went inti overdrive the second he was about to actually get close to the lynch. it was a complete and utter change of tone thatliked artificial. it has nothing to do with his inactivity beforehand.
just look at his 962. he had a tone of calm a collectiveness when he was leading the lynch in other directions but once I started pushing his he tried to attack my credibility by doubting my ability to read him and then tried to use my status as being new in the game to discredit any weight my post had.
hes flailing
just look at his 962. he had a tone of calm a collectiveness when he was leading the lynch in other directions but once I started pushing his he tried to attack my credibility by doubting my ability to read him and then tried to use my status as being new in the game to discredit any weight my post had.
hes flailing
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
seriously, that response is so grody
What in the world? That was the first of my "violent lash outs" yet you have no problem keeping someone like Gheb who makes it a somewhat mission to make posts like that.
I'm not scum, your argument is invalid.my argument isnt just inactivity, Sang. its that he put on heirs that he was so content with being lynched and then pretty much went inti overdrive the second he was about to actually get close to the lynch. it was a complete and utter change of tone thatliked artificial. it has nothing to do with his inactivity beforehand.
just look at his 962. he had a tone of calm a collectiveness when he was leading the lynch in other directions but once I started pushing his he tried to attack my credibility by doubting my ability to read him and then tried to use my status as being new in the game to discredit any weight my post had.
hes flailing
Putting on "airs"? Your kidding right? Now your argument is that the stuff I am saying is fake? Bologna.
Unvote
Grrr I don't know who to vote but after sleeping I don't want Gheb, but that may be the only way for me to survive toDay. I don't know who to vote nor do I know who is scum at the moment my thoughts are so confuzzled.
Grrr I don't know who to vote but after sleeping I don't want Gheb, but that may be the only way for me to survive toDay. I don't know who to vote nor do I know who is scum at the moment my thoughts are so confuzzled.
Do not ever lynch this slot for the love of goodness just leave me that.
Gheb probably town, gotta stop looking at his posts at face value which scream scummy/ick but in reality gotta read him differently. Been a while from playing with him.
Sang scares me cuz I have that gut feeling she may be scum yet her posts just come out so towny I don't even know what do.
TM's a damn strong town read and I'll probably take that one and Auspher to the grave with me. Same with Felipe.
RR could possibly be scum with PR though I don't think that's the case.
I like Tanny.
Sang scares me cuz I have that gut feeling she may be scum yet her posts just come out so towny I don't even know what do.
TM's a damn strong town read and I'll probably take that one and Auspher to the grave with me. Same with Felipe.
RR could possibly be scum with PR though I don't think that's the case.
I like Tanny.
Wow looking at my reads at face value....they are terrible. xD I have way too many town reads at the current time.
Need to change this. Stupid clock.
Speaking of, going to be gone later tonight till late and may not post till tomorrow same time I am now.
Need to change this. Stupid clock.
Speaking of, going to be gone later tonight till late and may not post till tomorrow same time I am now.
This quote, along with some sleep helped me realize something that made something click in my head. Meta argument but I'm pretty comfortable with it and the more I think about it, the more I am comfortable with keeping Gheb for a while.
I'm so bi-polar on this slot. Back and Forth and he doesn't even have to post.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
J: "im not scum, therefore your argument is invalid."
gotcha.
will be here after class so i dont have to phone post
gotcha.
will be here after class so i dont have to phone post
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Didn't you have CK and Ori as leaning town at one point? Why the change? And, CK is kuzi now.
It didn't seem to me that he was content with being lynched but that he knew he wouldn't be able to do anything for a while and just accepted it. I'll wait to see where the rest of this goes. What about what he's done before. What do you think of his recent activities?
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Nothing, absolutely nothing, i only knew Miyo was maf because my role description says that (Not exactly, but it implies i am helping the town and he is trying to **** the town)
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
*wakes up*
*sees J voting me*
*sees J say that he is on gut cautious of Sang, feeling that she might be scum*
*sees J point that a bunch of people who he use to have town leans on as potential scum candidates*
okkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy, that's not completely different from like, 16 hours ago.
Really need to try to actually read this thread now to see what was going on.
*sees J voting me*
*sees J say that he is on gut cautious of Sang, feeling that she might be scum*
*sees J point that a bunch of people who he use to have town leans on as potential scum candidates*
okkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy, that's not completely different from like, 16 hours ago.
Really need to try to actually read this thread now to see what was going on.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Really'??? It changed a lot since my claim
Isn't it hilarious how three to four days ago I called out J on his passive, lethargic way of playing and how he hasn't done or pushed anything and now he's suddenly finding himself COMPLETELY clueless a couple of hours before the deadline? I remember J [and other people like Sang and Joey] getting riled because of me constantly calling people out on making useless statements, how I suddenly got flak for doing it and how I even got accused of not "doing anything". And yet I'm not the one suddenly running around without a head looking for a solid read because I've been working on getting one all the time. If anything I'm even more confident in my vote on J right now and take it that his vote against me was entirely OMGUS in retrospect for his reads from earlier toDay seem to have lost a lot of validity on their way.
Vote J
Running around in a panic and just slapping your vote wherever you feel like it fits isn't gonna rectify the scummy BS you've been playing all Day. It's obvious that you've lost your head exactly in the manner Kuz pointed out. You don't even try to offer any rationale on voting Sworddancer - do you earnestly expect people to go along with that so shortly before the deadline when you offer zero reasoning [which is part of why you're so damn suspicious in the first place]?
I'll be taking a closer look at the felipe wagon as well. While it's hard to immediately hold anybody accountable for voting him [given how terribly he's been playing] I'd find it hard to believe that not a single scumbag ended up being on the wagon until his claim. Mainly looking at Joey here for trying to discredit his claim in a pretty laughable manner [Doc is overpowered now?!?] after not being clear enough on the Auspher vs felipe situation earlier toDay.
This also illustrates what I wanted to explain to Sang earlier pretty well and how being wishy-washy is a rather scummy maneuver. Because now Joey can be like "yeah, I already had a feeling felipe was scummy" even though he opted to go with the Auspher vote earlier. This approach is way more rewarding for a scumbag than for a townie and also doesn't require as much explanation.
This also illustrates what I wanted to explain to Sang earlier pretty well and how being wishy-washy is a rather scummy maneuver. Because now Joey can be like "yeah, I already had a feeling felipe was scummy" even though he opted to go with the Auspher vote earlier. This approach is way more rewarding for a scumbag than for a townie and also doesn't require as much explanation.
Didn't dig into the Ryu wagon yet so I can't comment but I will take a closer look at that and hopefully get something useful out of it by tomorrow. If he's guilty of similar things as Joey in regards to the felipe wagon he can probably die though.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Terrible play??? Is not i was trying to get myself lynched and gamethrow you know???? I know wat i was facing when i did this.I'll be taking a closer look at the felipe wagon as well. While it's hard to immediately hold anybody accountable for voting him [given how terribly he's been playing] I'd find it hard to believe that not a single scumbag ended up being on the wagon until his claim. Mainly looking at Joey here for trying to discredit his claim in a pretty laughable manner [Doc is overpowered now?!?] after not being clear enough on the Auspher vs felipe situation earlier toDay.
This also illustrates what I wanted to explain to Sang earlier pretty well and how being wishy-washy is a rather scummy maneuver. Because now Joey can be like "yeah, I already had a feeling felipe was scummy" even though he opted to go with the Auspher vote earlier. This approach is way more rewarding for a scumbag than for a townie and also doesn't require as much explanation.
Tandora
Smash Rookie
JTB, thanks for the extension!
Dear god, how many times will I see this exchange between these two? It's almost verbatim every time. Make out or something and move on already. =/
I've got a meta reason. Do you feel you've played scummy this game? Because I got town read on you and J has at times said you were way townie, but I don't recall him ever offering to hold hands or be friends with you this game.
You were the only one who knew what you were doing. Just stop trying to justify your crappy play and start playing well. It's the best you can do for us at this point.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
DUuuuuuuh, and what do you expected for me, something like "HEY GUYS I AM DOC BUT WILL IMITATE SCUM TO NET KILLED"???
And i play how i want. I had a plan, didnt work, deal with it.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
*To not get killed
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Also,
Unvote
Vote: J
Joey is also a lynch candidate for me.
Unvote
Vote: J
Joey is also a lynch candidate for me.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Its not the same exchange at all, Tandora. I normally try and pressure J for a better read on him but this is definitely too late in the Day for me to be using roundabout tactics like that to get reads.
I actually think J is scum and I actually want him dead. His sudden outburst to my vote pretty much encapsulates why his previous demeanor was completely artificial. Take his read on Gheb for instance. As soon as he realizes he might not get the support he needs for his alternative pushes (and that he is fastly approaching as the actual lynch candidate) he changes his read on Gheb around on a whim.
Tries to swing the wagon around before he went to bed last night and then, after seeing there was no support for it, woke up toDay and said guess I don't feel like lynching him toDay after all.
Gheb's 985 holds some weight. Seems to be fine with dying have everything figured out when things are going his way and then goes full into survival mode at the slightest sign of his lynch. The change is so blatantly apparent its not even funny.
J is scum and he's getting lynched.
Boomshakala
I actually think J is scum and I actually want him dead. His sudden outburst to my vote pretty much encapsulates why his previous demeanor was completely artificial. Take his read on Gheb for instance. As soon as he realizes he might not get the support he needs for his alternative pushes (and that he is fastly approaching as the actual lynch candidate) he changes his read on Gheb around on a whim.
Tries to swing the wagon around before he went to bed last night and then, after seeing there was no support for it, woke up toDay and said guess I don't feel like lynching him toDay after all.
Gheb's 985 holds some weight. Seems to be fine with dying have everything figured out when things are going his way and then goes full into survival mode at the slightest sign of his lynch. The change is so blatantly apparent its not even funny.
J is scum and he's getting lynched.
Boomshakala
What changed that made you want to move your vote?Oh how this town is ammusing, i just briefly skimmed through the pages that appeared after i signed off. I will try to post tonight but I will be at a LIGHTS concert. I promise to post!
unvote
Got a job interview, so I'll be back later today.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Joey will switch his vote to J.
We need one more.
We need one more.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
It's logical and yet terrible. Okay.
Anyways, I disagree. Look at this from my PoV. You've been up for lynch all Day. Almost everyone has weighed in on you. With some of your questionable actions early game (and now, get to that later), one can only reasonably view your lynch as at least somewhat appealing.
Okay, I'm honestly now definitely leaning scum with you. I'm not fond of the way that you've been flip flopping your reads like a fish on dry land.J said:
Now, I'm not talking about what you did wrt Joey/RR/TM, because hey, a good honest reread should bear new reads. It's just now, recently. You changed your reads up A LOT, and I don't care for the way that you've done it. You use to have both me and Sang as "super town," but very little has changed since then, and now all of the sudden you're wary of both of us? Especially the way you handled Sang, that doesn't give me good vibes at all:
J said:
Like seriously, where is this coming from? You had her as one of your strongest town reads but then . . . what? She didn't answer that "pick a lynch" question correctly? I'm hard pressed following your change of heart.J said:
Also, this is made worse with this conclusion:
@boldedJ said:
For all this "Sang has gotten more interesting stuff," it sure does conclude rather anti-climatically with a "I have a gut read which tells me to be wary of her but her posts look town so IDK!!!" Like really? So what interesting stuff did you find?
Also since when did a gut read keep you from getting a read on someone?
Kuzi states you're flailing, and you're wagon hopping is probably the greatest evidence of that.
This isn't even mentioning the Gheb push, which I never liked due to the fact that I had him as town most of the game (besides from the very beginning). You're off of his wagon now I guess, but that brings up a new problem. That being, you've literally withdrawn all of your original scum reads, and have started to replace them with your town reads. You don't seem to be genuinely concerned with holding true to your reads and fighting for them as evidenced by the fact that you change them around at the drop of a hat.
Now, this is not to be mistaken, I didn't always think this of you J. Earlier this game you're actions (or lack there of) were questionable. Yes, you based your early reads around OMGUS and neglected to try to form reads, but your defense (I was busy) was certainly believable enough, and quite frankly, I find OMGUS to be a usual natural reaction to attacks, regardless of alignment. It was anti-town stuff of you to do, but not necessarily scummy. It's your actions as of now that bother me.
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Joey I'm liking more as of late due to the fact that he seems to be the most genuinely concerned with what was going on as of late, as well as pushing his TM read, which is good because it shows that he has a mind of his own and is willing to go against the tide. The reasoning for why he jumped J first even though he thought stronger is believable, especially after that TM case that came afterwards. Shows he wasn't just blowing hot air.
TM is interesting. Earlier I saw town intent in him, but as of late I've grown a bit more wary. Joey's case does a good joi pointing out how he's kinda just bs'd his way through the game. What really concerns me though is the fact that he has a HUGE lynch pool that came out of nowhere besides from not wanting a J or Felipe lynch. That's definitely worrisome because scum generally doesn't care who they lynch.
RR I honestly haven's reread yet because I spent most of last night watching higurashi episodes. Plus I saw we got an extra deadline extension, so that let me relax a bit more.
Kuzi is as null as CK.
That is all. Checking vote count now.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
J is at L-1.
Also, how am I null? I'm obvtown.
Also, how am I null? I'm obvtown.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
And by L-1, I mean L-2.
You could be copped and not be obvtown.
Hell, you could BE cop and not be obvtown.
When's deadline?
Hell, you could BE cop and not be obvtown.
When's deadline?