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Social Hideout of the Phantom Thieves - Joker Social

Best girl?

  • Sae

    Votes: 9 3.3%
  • Futaba

    Votes: 91 33.6%
  • Ann

    Votes: 26 9.6%
  • Haru

    Votes: 32 11.8%
  • Kawakami

    Votes: 14 5.2%
  • Takemi

    Votes: 14 5.2%
  • Ohya

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Chiyaya

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Hifumi

    Votes: 14 5.2%
  • Makoto

    Votes: 66 24.4%

  • Total voters
    271

Sigran101

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Yup, technically. I just dont see them doing that. And it just feels overally unlikely that they'd wait til sometime after the concert for the direct. (and during seems weird)
Which is why I think we'll get a direct before the concert's date sometime, and joker will drop after it (the concert, i mean). Just my current prediction :p
That's what I'm thinking too. Maybe a direct next week would make sense.
 

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Hi folks. Sorry to miss the chaos; here's my responses to a bunch of things...

Alice would be a good choice. She's been a staple of the series for awhile with her own unique move, right?

Giving Joker a range of specials/movesets to work through would be extremely awesome (and faithful to how he works in his game), but I think that may be expecting too much. That's a LOT of work for a DLC, 3rd party character. I'd absolutely love it, but I don't think we're going to see that. Joker's likely to just have a Persona or two as part of his special moves as opposed to entirely different specials for several different persona.
Yeah, Alice first appeared as a NPC in the original Shin Megami Tensei. She didn't perform her singature move then, but

...she does literally ask the player to die for her, with your options just being "Yes" or "No." Either way, you end up fighting her "uncles" Belial and Nebiros.

That said, if they do only use Arsene, then I hope they're very generous with skill inheritance and don't limit him to his natural moves.

I kinda feel we need a change of pace with all of this waiting, so I have a generalSmash questionfor you guys. What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter. My personal top 4 is Geno, Shantae, the Doom Slayer, and Ashley.
Layton, Wright, Stardew Valley Farmer (I'd also take Harvest Moon or Rune Factory, but indie representation would be nice), and Adeleine from Kirby.

That's what I'm thinking too. Maybe a direct next week would make sense.
Thing is, we'll almost definitely know when the update is coming (whether or not it is paired with a Direct) earliy-ish, because they need to give us replay-backing-up time... Next week would make sense if they wanted to do the release after the concert.
 
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That said, if they do only use Arsene, then I hope they're very generous with skill inheritance and don't limit him to his natural moves.
Yeah, I was hoping that too since he actually can't learn very much (which I did not find out until I attempted to max him out on my first playthrough lol)
I kind of want to at least see a chargeable move; maybe, depending on charge, being able to use Eiha, Eiga, or Eigaon.
 

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I kinda feel we need a change of pace with all of this waiting, so I have a generalSmash questionfor you guys. What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter. My personal top 4 is Geno, Shantae, the Doom Slayer, and Ashley.
Sora, Layton, Kazuma Kiryu and some really random third party inclusion that would make people go "what the f***?" Like Pajama Sam or something dumb like that.
 
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I kinda feel we need a change of pace with all of this waiting, so I have a generalSmash questionfor you guys. What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter. My personal top 4 is Geno, Shantae, the Doom Slayer, and Ashley.
I'd honestly be all for a bit more representation in some of the other Nintendo franchises for Smash, so I'd like to see:
1) Daroach or Marx to add to the Kirby reps
2) Hades or Medusa to add to the Kid Icarus reps
3) Toon Ganon (so long as he's not an echo/semi-clone) or Breath of the Wild Champions (with a Pokemon trainer-esque mechanic to switch between them)
4) Crono, Sephiroth, or Sora for our next Square rep
 
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I kinda feel we need a change of pace with all of this waiting, so I have a generalSmash questionfor you guys. What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter. My personal top 4 is Geno, Shantae, the Doom Slayer, and Ashley.
Dante, Scorpion/Sub-Zero, Travis Touchdown and Jin Kazama.
 

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I kinda feel we need a change of pace with all of this waiting, so I have a generalSmash questionfor you guys. What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter. My personal top 4 is Geno, Shantae, the Doom Slayer, and Ashley.
Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, Steve and Byleth.

Last two are subject to change every two days but first two would complete the game for me.
 

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Okay, so Dukefire Dukefire brought up a very interesting point; the image that was shown in the February Direct announcing the 3.0.0 update might have been a hint towards news coming sometime around Easter next week.

Not sure if this'll actually pan out, but it's something to keep in the back of the mind.
 

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Okay, so Dukefire Dukefire brought up a very interesting point; the image that was shown in the February Direct announcing the 3.0.0 update might have been a hint towards news coming sometime around Easter next week.

Not sure if this'll actually pan out, but it's something to keep in the back of the mind.
what image?
 

amageish

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Okay, so Dukefire Dukefire brought up a very interesting point; the image that was shown in the February Direct announcing the 3.0.0 update might have been a hint towards news coming sometime around Easter next week.

Not sure if this'll actually pan out, but it's something to keep in the back of the mind.
I mean, I think it was just referring to Spring in general... Really, any day this month seems like there is a chance for news, but next week counts too.
 

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So this came about (in english), regarding joker.
Even though it's very easily fake, as the odds of 8 personas being developped (which means 8 sets of special moves) are super slim, on the other hand it could explain why it's taking so long to develop them :p

link by itself: https://pastebin.com/7vUPewsH?fbclid=IwAR3eyfzwP3avIHhyq0a25-UzVWE7YuRO7ApyMyqIo9Ao0o3EOnxqK8p0tqE
Joker seemingly won't take significantly longer to develop than Mewtwo; a veteran whose moveset was already planned. I can't see giving Joker 8 different Persona just so that he can switch between spells.

It's more likely that they'll pull a Robin/Ness and give Arsene skills he can't learn.
 

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So this came about (in english), regarding joker.
Even though it's very easily fake, as the odds of 8 personas being developped (which means 8 sets of special moves) are super slim, on the other hand it could explain why it's taking so long to develop them :p It's at least entertaining of a read.

link by itself: https://pastebin.com/7vUPewsH?fbclid=IwAR3eyfzwP3avIHhyq0a25-UzVWE7YuRO7ApyMyqIo9Ao0o3EOnxqK8p0tqE
This is a fun wishlist. Obviously fake - no one would ever use the name Jane officially - but I like the idea of multiple elements and Personas.
 

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Joker seemingly won't take significantly longer to develop than Mewtwo; a veteran whose moveset was already planned. I can't see giving Joker 8 different Persona just so that he can switch between spells.

It's more likely that they'll pull a Robin/Ness and give Arsene skills he can't learn.
That makes the most sense to me too. And Joker would take longer than mewtwo.

I do have the dream to be able to switch between a few personas tho :) I'd like it quite a lot.
 

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That makes the most sense to me too. And Joker would take longer than mewtwo.

I do have the dream to be able to switch between a few personas tho :) I'd like it quite a lot.
Haha, me too, but there's so many Personas I like that it's hard to pick a few.
 

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Haha, me too, but there's so many Personas I like that it's hard to pick a few.
If they can pick some pokemon, I'm sure persona is fine.

arsene n jack fros are a given, dunno who else,
I wonder if theres ever been popularity polls for a ton :p
 

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At most I can see Jack and Arsène, anyone beyond that is unnecessary.
I think that's the bare minimum. Having at least 3 personas would really give a sense of being a persona master, and really be fun in smash :)
I dont really care which persona it is, tho i guess if I had to choose i would go with a feminine one for the third, like maybe Angel.

Anyway, I'll take what we get. I just wonder how far sakurai wanted to go :)
 

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So this came about (in english), regarding joker.
Even though it's very easily fake, as the odds of 8 personas being developped (which means 8 sets of special moves) are super slim, on the other hand it could explain why it's taking so long to develop them :p It's at least entertaining of a read.

link by itself: https://pastebin.com/7vUPewsH?fbclid=IwAR3eyfzwP3avIHhyq0a25-UzVWE7YuRO7ApyMyqIo9Ao0o3EOnxqK8p0tqE
"Joker has the ability to use the Personas of all other Phantom Thieves. "

This irritates me so much.
 
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I have to say... waiting for Joker has been pretty draining for me. Of course I am glad he is here in the first place (again, dream come true), but dang... this has been a long wait... and these leaks aren't helping. :(

I can't see giving Joker 8 different Persona just so that he can switch between spells.
That and I find that giving Joker 8 Personas to be... overwhelming to say the least.
I mean with Shulk and his Monado Arts, you have to account for the differences in stats between 5 forms, which is easy to remember. 8 different Personas each with different specials would be too much for the player. If they want to go that route, then Joker should have at most 3 Personas... not freaking 8 of them.

What newcomers would you like to see as DLC? Likelihood does not matter.
Aside from Joker, my two other dream picks are Takumi from FE Fates and Terra from FF6.
Other characters I would love to see would be Bandana Dee, Doom Slayer, Phoenix Wright, Klonoa, Dixie Kong, Hector (FE), among others.
RIP characters that I would love to see are Bomberman, Decidueye, Black Knight, Rex and Pyra, and Knuckles.
 

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Yeah not what i expected. but thanks for finding one.

I'll just leave it to sakurai, he doesnt have bad tastes, i think. lol.
Mara being the most popular demon is 110% what I expected haha. Cu Chulainn being third is what surprises me the most--I don't recall him ever standing out particularly...
 

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I think it's because he wouldn't be able do that in Persona 5 itself. I mean, imagine how the Mother fans felt when they found out that most of :ultness:' signature moves weren't even his own spells, but those of his friends.

A bit of creative liberty is expected if a character is to be viable for Smash, after all.
Not to mention it would rile up some people who are still expecting Phantom Thief alternate skins for whatever reason.

On the other hand: If they are developing the Personas of his fellow PTs: No...please say it ain't so...NOOOOOOO!!!!
 

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Mara being the most popular demon is 110% what I expected haha. Cu Chulainn being third is what surprises me the most--I don't recall him ever standing out particularly...
I think it's because that's the name of one of the servants in the Fate series.

So this came about (in english), regarding joker.
Even though it's very easily fake, as the odds of 8 personas being developped (which means 8 sets of special moves) are super slim, on the other hand it could explain why it's taking so long to develop them :p It's at least entertaining of a read.

link by itself: https://pastebin.com/7vUPewsH?fbclid=IwAR3eyfzwP3avIHhyq0a25-UzVWE7YuRO7ApyMyqIo9Ao0o3EOnxqK8p0tqE
See, the idea I had is that Joker would use 5 Personas (which is probably a little much): Arsene (his starter/main one), Jack Frost (the mascot), Pyro Jack (the other mascot), Pixie (usually the first demon/persona you get), and Alice (because why not)
 

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I have to say... waiting for Joker has been pretty draining for me. Of course I am glad he is here in the first place (again, dream come true), but dang... this has been a long wait... and these leaks aren't helping. :(


That and I find that giving Joker 8 Personas to be... overwhelming to say the least.
I mean with Shulk and his Monado Arts, you have to account for the differences in stats between 5 forms, which is easy to remember. 8 different Personas each with different specials would be too much for the player. If they want to go that route, then Joker should have at most 3 Personas... not freaking 8 of them.


Aside from Joker, my two other dream picks are Takumi from FE Fates and Terra from FF6.
Other characters I would love to see would be Bandana Dee, Doom Slayer, Phoenix Wright, Klonoa, Dixie Kong, Hector (FE), among others.
RIP characters that I would love to see are Bomberman, Decidueye, Black Knight, Rex and Pyra, and Knuckles.
We're in the final stretch at least. Only a little more than 2 weeks at most.
I have my own reasons for really wanting to play joker too.

I think it's because that's the name of one of the servants in the Fate series.



See, the idea I had is that Joker would use 5 Personas (which is probably a little much): Arsene (his starter/main one), Jack Frost (the mascot), Pyro Jack (the other mascot), Pixie (usually the first demon/persona you get), and Alice (because why not)
Yup those are pretty iconic enough. Pixie was also one of the first in the anime. I feel like 4 could be too many for smash too, but it'd be a good number because you could then have pixie or pyro jack and then a later/high level one.
 

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If Joker really DOES get 8 Personas (likely to represent each element), who would they be if they aren't his friends' Personas?

We have obviously Arsene for Eiha spells
Jack Frost is the most likely candidate for Bufu spells
But what about Agi, Zio, Garu, Frei, Psio, and Kouha?

I think it's because he wouldn't be able do that in Persona 5 itself. I mean, imagine how the Mother fans felt when they found out that most of :ultness:' signature moves weren't even his own spells, but those of his friends.

A bit of creative liberty is expected if a character is to be viable for Smash, after all.
The trophy descriptions hand-waved it as Ness' friends teaching him their moves in preparation for Smash...which would not translate with Joker and Personas, even IF Joker is a Wild Card. Seeing as the Personas of his friends are meant to be a reflection of themselves and all that, unless they add some lore-related explanation with Atlus' permission that is.
 
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If Joker really DOES get 8 Personas (likely to represent each element), who would they be if they aren't his friends' Personas?

We have obviously Arsene for Eiha spells
Jack Frost is the most likely candidate for Bufu spells
But what about Agi, Zio, Garu, Frei, Psio, and Kouha?
Well this page is pretty useful to look at some possibilities for the different elements:
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Persona_5_Skills

And I agree it'd be weird to have the others' personas. It could possibly pass for smash, but would feel off a bit. I dont think whoever made the document really thought everything through well enough.
 

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Well this page is pretty useful to look at some possibilities for the different elements:
https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Persona_5_Skills

And I agree it'd be weird to have the others' personas. It could possibly pass for smash, but would feel off a bit. I dont think whoever made the document really thought everything through well enough.
Like I said: They could so some minor lore implementation like "due to their desire to help Joker when he goes off alone, it's taken form in the manner of Joker being able to wield their Personas" or whatever would go in line with it, assuming Atlus would be fine with it and/or came up with it themselves.

Though like with Ness: It would be a 50/50 deal here. While yes seeing the Personas of the others would be cool to see, it still would not feel like Joker who had his own Personas as it would then feel less like it's Joker playing as Joker and more like he's playing as an amalgamation of P5 (which brings back my comment/worry about him being nothing but a walking ad). Then you will have the crowd who might get pissed that if they animated the others' Personas, why not the other PTs themselves (Pff as if lmao!). It would really just open a whole can of worms in the process.

Better to just go for the bare minimum and have Joker using only Arsene or any of the other Personas/demons in the series (that aren't his friends' Personas), as well as have him only be by himself save for the possible female "Jane" alt.
 

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Like I said: They could so some minor lore implementation like "due to their desire to help Joker when he goes off alone, it's taken form in the manner of Joker being able to wield their Personas" or whatever would go in line with it, assuming Atlus would be fine with it and/or came up with it themselves.

Though like with Ness: It would be a 50/50 deal here. While yes seeing the Personas of the others would be cool to see, it still would not feel like Joker who had his own Personas as it would then feel less like it's Joker playing as Joker and more like he's playing as an amalgamation of P5 (which brings back my comment/worry about him being nothing but a walking ad). Then you will have the crowd who might get pissed that if they animated the others' Personas, why not the other PTs themselves (Pff as if lmao!). It would really just open a whole can of worms in the process.

Better to just go for the bare minimum and have Joker using only Arsene or any of the other Personas/demons in the series (that aren't his friends' Personas), as well as have him only be by himself save for the possible female "Jane" alt.
If Joker had all of teammate's personas, I would see it more as representing them and p5 as much as they can. It'd be a great way to pay homage to them because it's not possible to make the other characters, since that'd take too much time, (and people would understand that) but 8 is too many and it's unlikely that they'd put only 1 or 2 PT personas on him.

The better way to include the others would most likely be in the final smash. The other option is seeing them in mementos.
I'm more focused on the fighter, but for most fans I hope they do something like that to show off more of the game and series.
 
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If Joker had all of teammate's personas, I would see more as representing them as well. It'd be a great way to pay homage to them since it's not possible to make the other characters since that'd take too much time, (and people would understand that) but 8 is too many and it's unlikely that they'd put only 1 or 2 PT personas on him.

The better way to include the others would most likely be in the final smash. The other option is seeing them in mementos.
I'm more focused on the fighter, but for most fans I hope they do something like that to show off more of the series.
Right now, the most I can see about the other PTs and maybe even other P5 characters is in Joker's FS, the stage (especially if there's a codec function), and spirits.

I remembered having a theoretical moveset that implements the other PT Personas, and went like this, albeit with changes from before:
* Arsene/Captain Kidd/Zorro/Carmen/Goemon/Milady being mapped amongst his Neutral Bs in rotation (with Down B to cycle through them).
* Johanna as a Side-B ala Wario's.
* Necronomicon as his Up-B ala Snake's.

Another part of me (specifically the shiiper side lol) also joked/theorized Necronomicon being his Up-B while the rest is just Joker's own moves, referencing how Futaba is the supporting party member and is technically always present, but that would open a whole can of worms if that happened only to 1-2 PT Personas.
 

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Right now, the most I can see about the other PTs and maybe even other P5 characters is in Joker's FS, the stage (especially if there's a codec function), and spirits.

I remembered having a theoretical moveset that implements the other PT Personas, and went like this, albeit with changes from before:
* Arsene/Captain Kidd/Zorro/Carmen/Goemon/Milady being mapped amongst his Neutral Bs in rotation (with Down B to cycle through them).
* Johanna as a Side-B ala Wario's.
* Necronomicon as his Up-B ala Snake's.

Another part of me (specifically the shiiper side lol) also joked/theorized Necronomicon being his Up-B while the rest is just Joker's own moves, referencing how Futaba is the supporting party member and is technically always present, but that would open a whole can of worms if that happened only to 1-2 PT Personas.
Putting aside the other PTs' personas, I dont mind the idea that futaba could somehow help out, like for an up-b :)
I'm sure there's other people that would enjoy seeing her more often too ;p
 

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Putting aside the other PTs' personas, I dont mind the idea that futaba could somehow help out, like for an up-b :)
I'm sure there's other people that would enjoy seeing her more often too ;p
It's really just that figuring out what could be Joker's Up-B is the most puzzling part about his moveset. There's more than enough material for theoretical Neutral, Side and Down Bs, but the Up-B is the most puzzling since it's meant to be the recovery move. Besides: Megaman has Rush in his Up-B, so why not? XD
 
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