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Vipermoon
Ah looks like they posted it. A couple of things. While I lost, this MU is tough and PikaPika is a really good Pikachu. There wasn't much a Marth could do during that first stock he had on me. Also, when I got the first shield break, I should have pushed him closer to the edge of the stage. I knew it wouldn't kill but for some reason I didn't think about doing it. Luckily I still killed him soon after. Other than that, a bit more ledge jumps, a little bit less on stage jumping, and maybe I could have taken one of those games.I spy with my little eye a pickachu vs marth match starring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNUvcZ0dfo
Mr. E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJwGXBcL2AA
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I agree that pickachu is a hard mu 60-40 imo, it just so hard to deal with and punish the quick attacks with marth and he can easily play aggressive and go all over you. I think the biggest problem is your movement, you never made use of fox trot and fox trot dash cancels which is a great way to weave in and out, bait out attacks and go in when you see an opening. You also should make use of SHAD, it will help dodge quick attacks and you can follow up with an aerial or side b depending on where pickachu goes or lands after the quick attack. you also started get desperate and throw out random f-smash, which is bad, but lucky u didnt get punished for them.
I SHAD and dance trot all the time. I was just nervous and didn't realize that I was changing my playstyle because of it. Actually, if you saw me in a skidding animation, that was me messing up a dance trot. I did that a few times.... nervous.
Good set, and stinks about your nerves affecting your playstyle :/
Thanks man. I'll keep this stuff in mind.
This in itself would've been my biggest "fault" from watching these. A bit too much not moving/waiting, or going for a punish without moving hoping the opponent would move into you.
Against shiek, you should use nair to ftilt more. Try to land within tipper range. It's a good spacing a pressure tool that you just don't seem to be using.
Thanks I actually just started 2 master realizing the spacing between ftilt and Uptilt. I mostly favor uptilt bcz u get a lot of rewards from it.
DariusM27
H-O-G
Lol did that guy lose control of his thumbs or something? Impressive strings at the start anyway.
Thanks for the critique I will take these notes and try 2 implement them into my game and what u said about dancing blade I never had that knowledge. Also wen I dwn throw 2 upsmash it's never meant 2 happen mostly it happens bcz of lag
I only things I can think of are:
- A little too much Fsmash at times where it has no chance to kill. No need to commit that hard.
- Too much shield breaker this patch. You should adapt to the nerf.
- Watch how often you're in the air against the dash attack characters like Pit and Fox. I know you didn't show those MUs but just saying that jumping is generally unsafe with our character.
- Your SHADs are predictable in both the way you use them and what you're going for during one.
- Post matches against better players because it's hard to see your exact play style (incase you're sandbagging) and mistakes under pressure otherwise.
I lost my extremely long post due to backspace taking me back. We'll try again. I'll talk about things as I randomly remember them. Thanks for posting different MUs and even one of you losing and one on a different stage. I was able to see your habits this way (but it was still hard because none of your opponents have developed a punish game).
- Good use of Utilt and Ftilt and you don't use Fsmash too much.
- You do DB1, 2, 3 up, 4 up. 1, 2, 3 forward, 4 up is usually better. I remember your lack of doing this got you punished once in the Marth ditto. Also 3 forward comes out faster and that's important since because DB2 often misses, DB3 won't technically combo.
- Try to make sure SB will actually break a shield (it almost always won't) before you go for it
- You usually roll behind your opponent in pressure situations. That Peach, for example, should have destroyed you for it but he didn't have the bait and punish skills.
- Try to incorporate more Dtilt into your game. Walking Dtilt is good and then watch their movements. That alone will noticeably improve your Marth. You use attack stick right? Sour Dtilt on someone past 100% then tech chase into DS kill. Or sour Dtilt at low percents into DB is great too.
- You use Usmash when it doesn't kill. This makes the reward a lot smaller than the risk.
- Separately, Usmash after Dthrow doesn't work and even when it does it's not safe on hit. You'd be punished for hitting them with it at that %.
- Use frame perfect Dthrow Uair then into a landing trap or Dthrow to frame perfect Bair Uair Utilt if they let you.
- On your Uair to falling Uair to rising Uair string on the Roy you waited too long before the 3rd Uair. Just make sure you use the buffer window to stay frame perfect.
- In half a dozen situations when you and your opponent are both in the air and landing you managed to get a Fair. These are falling Uair missed opportunities. The difference in reward on these two options are too big.
- You had some missed jab opportunities.
- Edgeguard Roy with counter. That guy always air dodged to a vertical Uspecial so in that case just wait that out and you can still counter vertically. And when you try Fair make sure you're being as quick as possible so either your opponent doesn't react or you swipe through the beginning of their air dodge so that you guarantee a DS stage spike out of their air dodge lag/recovery start-up. But to do this you can't go too far horizontally with the Fair.
- Use SHAD. The opposite of what I told Darius.
Overall not bad.
It's annoying because I honestly find that my game suffers after I play online. The lag threw me off so much that I refuse to do it at this point
Yh when ur playing any fighting game lag can ruin you.It's annoying because I honestly find that my game suffers after I play online. The lag threw me off so much that I refuse to do it at this point
Winners finals between them was uploaded on RHS Tournament instead of Rush Hour Smash: https://youtu.be/EZwxJULL-Ro... Shouldn't Rush Hour Smash be Keitaro and False plus friends-only stuff while RHS Tournament is the "official" channel for tournament-related stuff? Whatever... Enjoy the match and critique away. First off, Mr. E had that set in the bag... and then he SDs and mis-spaces a critical punish. Question: why would you ever opt for Shield Breaker over Side Smash for punishes like that?
When he punished Falco's Phantasm start-up? I don't know. SB is transcendent but it's only out for 2 frames and has more start-up. It was really weird to see him do that but in actuality, that was a pretty optimal thing to do. Shield Breaker reaches way farther than Fsmash (and even more so when done in the air). But yeah it seems he did the entire tournament with Marth and it would have been great seeing Marth take a tournament because we all know that doesn't happen often. I have no idea if he intends to still use Sheik.
No, when he broke Keitaro's shield and used Shield Breaker to try and kill him. Maybe it was a spur of the moment thing, but I would have used Side Smash instead - even an uncharged Side Smash should kill him at the ledge. At the same time, Mr. EE really mis-spaced his punish - Keitaro was about a step away from getting hit.
Okay yeah I saw what you were talking about. He panicked. Shield Breaker is the optimal punish because it is stronger than Fsmash. He had enough time to walk forward just a little bit and try SB again even if Keitaro was mashing like crazy. Me, I use SB because since I have C-stick Attack there is a chance that I could mess up my Fsmash with Ftilt.
This was a great video! I LOL'd at the last scene.
Really cool stuff man. I like your use of stalling the full hop into fair fastfall to string into other moves.
