Data Hero-King's Council: Video Analysis

[Shaya]

I pushed someone to the ledge from centreish stage and taunted the other day.

The taunt was kinda "accidental" as a result of knowing I didn't have enough time to do anything flashy.

 

[kj22]

I pushed someone to the ledge from centreish stage and taunted the other day.

The taunt was kinda "accidental" as a result of knowing I didn't have enough time to do anything flashy.

If I feel like being flashy I'll do a reverse dsmash tipper :3

 

[kj22]

Sorry for double post but:

LoS2W13 | WS | Megafox vs KJ: https://youtu.be/s-BEaEuqQxQ

 

[Vipermoon]

You did well but idk why you kept edge-guarding with shield breaker (Fsmash and off-stage Fair/Bair work best for Fox's sideB) or how after that Dthrow you had a guarenteed follow-up on Fox but you tried Fsmash (he's not falling for it) same with the back hit of Utilt. At the very least you could have did a turn-around Utilt.

I know obviously no one plays at their best the whole match you still did well.

 

[SilverForUbers]

You wanna know the best way to punish a broken shield?

Footstool them and continue the fight.

They aren't worthy to die by the sword.

My friend uploaded a video earlier and I felt like this was the best time to post it.

 

[Vipermoon]

My friend uploaded a video earlier and I felt like this was the best time to post it.

Fail!

 

[SilverForUbers]

Also, here's a video of me in an online tournament with Marth. This is from a while ago so I'm not sure if he had gotten any of his buffs yet. I ended up losing but I think I did fairly well.

Edit: looking at the first match I can confirm this was before he had gotten any of his buffs to Jab, Nair, etc.

 

[HFlash]

Marth in Grand Finals? No this is not a melee or brawl video. Apparently, since the last patch, False is picking up Marth and goes toe to toe vs Nairo in Grand Finals. Some good stuff and shows a good set up I never thought of before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yugOsgEviY

 

[Vipermoon]

Yeah saw this a while ago I have no idea why I didn't put this here.

This looks like a Marth match-up advantage. False constantly had the upper hand. But of course you see what Robin can do. I'd like to complain that Robin's Fair has Brawl Marth Fair's autocancel and IASA while doing 12.5% damage. You saw him get 3 of those in a row. That coulda been us boys. But no Robin actually deserves that with durability and such a bad ground mobility. Would be broken on Marth.

False's Marth is super crisp. Definitely looking to leave Mr. E in the dust if he hasn't already. Didn't he take top 32 at Smash Con using all Marth?

 

[Shaya]

Mr.E's been ROB mainly for a while.

Funnily enough I hadn't watched that set yet at the time while I was talking about sh air dodge options and other parts of Marth game play in the impressions thread, but it ended up being all directly relevant. Someone taught him or directed him towards Marth technology

 

[Vipermoon]

What's ROB?

Yeah either that or he figured it out himself. He seems to be the kind of guy who would and it's not like other characters don't use this.

 

[Shaya]

He has a really solid foundation with Brawl Marth at the least.

 

[Langston777]

such solid and fluid movement from false, but robins' dthrow really just wrecks us now.

Mr.E's been ROB mainly for a while.

sure you don't mean Mister Eric?

 

[Shaya]

I thought they were the same person? :V
Oops I'm a newb, lol.

Mr.E's name is Eric too right? #_#

 

[Langston777]

I think his name is Eric, but there's a somewhat well known Mister Eric that plays ROB. that's probably who you saw.

 

[Vipermoon]

You meant the character ROB. I thought ROB was some weird Shaya acronym. Google didn't help.

Yeah Mr. E is Eric and funny enough, his twitch is even Mr. Eric1 even though a ROB player (#2 Ohio PR I think) called Mister Eric exists.

Mr. E dual mains Sheik and Marth now. He said that on stream and he used Sheik on stream at either CEO or EVO (I forgot) and used Marth on stream at SSC.

 

[Trunks159]

such solid and fluid movement from false, but robins' dthrow really just wrecks us now.


sure you don't mean Mister Eric?

Solid...and fluid.

 

[moofpi]

False's autocanceled nair>dtilt>dair spike was sooo sexy. He also had very good movement.

 

[kj22]

Another top level player using Marth? I'll have to check it out...


So there's no way of viewing past patch replays unless you never updated your Wii u? ): won a set vs dabuz sheik that I guess will become part of the replay abyss...

 

[Vipermoon]

False's autocanceled nair>dtilt>dair spike was sooo sexy. He also had very good movement.

Nair doesn't autocancel until frame 47. He simply landed.

 

[moofpi]

Wow that's a late autocancel. Okay, he just got him with the initial hit and it looked pretty fly.

 

[HFlash]

Yeah saw this a while ago I have no idea why I didn't put this here.

This looks like a Marth match-up advantage. False constantly had the upper hand. But of course you see what Robin can do. I'd like to complain that Robin's Fair has Brawl Marth Fair's autocancel and IASA while doing 12.5% damage. You saw him get 3 of those in a row. That coulda been us boys. But no Robin actually deserves that with durability and such a bad ground mobility. Would be broken on Marth.

False's Marth is super crisp. Definitely looking to leave Mr. E in the dust if he hasn't already. Didn't he take top 32 at Smash Con using all Marth?

Plus you add the fact that you can only use the levin sword a finite amount of times, before it dissapears unlike brawl Marth. I'm not sure about Mr. E, but False made it to 17th at Smashcon using Marth. He hasn't really been playing him until the latest patch.

I think his name is Eric, but there's a somewhat well known Mister Eric that plays ROB. that's probably who you saw.

Yes, Mr .E and Mr. Eric are two different players. I just watched the MVDA area weekly tourney stream that clarified that, and I watched some really good, meta advancing rob play.... like z dropping the gyro by the ledge, into a spike.

Another top level player using Marth? I'll have to check it out...


So there's no way of viewing past patch replays unless you never updated your Wii u? ): won a set vs dabuz sheik that I guess will become part of the replay abyss...

Well at least you can now upload replays at 720 p with no capture card, so that won't happen again. ;p.

Sorry for gramatical errors, sending this via phone.


Edit: Note on False's Marth: Something that I noted about his Marth is that he does little to no walking. From my understanding, Marth has one of the best walk speeds in the game, so you are better off walking, keeping all of his options instead of fox trotting like False was doing. What do you guys think about that?

 

[Chalice]

Some videos on MVG Gunblade using Marth was just uploaded to YouTube a couple hours ago and thought I'd put it here.

VS Sheik
VS Sheik (Another set against the same guy)
VS Mario
VS Fox

 

[Gunblade789]

Some videos on MVG Gunblade using Marth was just uploaded to YouTube a couple hours ago and thought I'd put it here.

VS Sheik
VS Sheik (Another set against the same guy)
VS Mario
VS Fox

Thanks broski!!! =]

 

[Remzi]

Went all Marth until Winners Semis at a local a few days ago. Didn't drop a game with him all tournament! Here's a vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHSrPN_nXGU

 

[Shaya]

"You never stop being a true Marth main"

 

[Remzi]

"You never stop being a true Marth main"

Fact

 

[Emblem Lord]

"You never stop being a true Marth main"

...

"I walk...a different path now"

 

[kj22]

...

"I walk...a different path now"

But that's just because..."you've been looking for a challenge?"

 

[Chalice]

But that's just because..."you've been looking for a challenge?"

Exactly. That's because his "journey has just begun".

 

[Vipermoon]

Finally got around to watching this.

I was LOL'ing IRL during the Gunblade matches against the Sheik player. He got soooo pissed from those shield breaks and tipper Fsmashes. Probably because he was in the "I'm Sheik and Marth is free" mindset.

VaBengal, solid movement and decision making. Love your ZSS too.

 

[Chalice]

Finally got around to watching this.

I was LOL'ing IRL during the Gunblade matches against the Sheik player. He got soooo pissed from those shield breaks and tipper Fsmashes. Probably because he was in the "I'm Sheik and Marth is free" mindset.

VaBengal, solid movement and decision making. Love your ZSS too.

Tippers have never been so exciting to see

It's matches like those that I question why people keep saying Roy is better than Marth

 

[Honor]

Went all Marth until Winners Semis at a local a few days ago. Didn't drop a game with him all tournament! Here's a vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHSrPN_nXGU

I was at this tourney and was amazed at the crap you were pulling

 

[HFlash]

Went all Marth until Winners Semis at a local a few days ago. Didn't drop a game with him all tournament! Here's a vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHSrPN_nXGU

Very nice set! Your movement was very clean and efficient. It seems like Wario just gets out ranged by Marth and really depends on you mis spacing to get anywhere in. The biggest thing that stood out to me was how little you used fsmash, particularly at Delfino (which has small horizontal edges if I'm not mistaken). Is it just a really unsafe move to use? Is it almost always better to go for the guaranteed, safer % with DB and ftilt?

Thanks in advanced

 

[Remzi]

Very nice set! Your movement was very clean and efficient. It seems like Wario just gets out ranged by Marth and really depends on you mis spacing to get anywhere in. The biggest thing that stood out to me was how little you used fsmash, particularly at Delfino (which has small horizontal edges if I'm not mistaken). Is it just a really unsafe move to use? Is it almost always better to go for the guaranteed, safer % with DB and ftilt?

Thanks in advanced

Thank you! And thanks everyone else for the kind words.

I don't have a whole lot of Marth experience in this game, so I just sort of get by on fundamentals and Brawl Marth knowledge. I feel like my Marth has really good movement (thanks Brawl), spacing (thanks Brawl), and hitbox placement (thanks Brawl), but a really bad punish game and just poor optimization overall. I probably could stand to punish more things with Fsmash, but since I'm not sure of what I can punish with it I just opted for safe options and clean play instead, I wouldn't read into it too much, haha.

If I start to play this character more, which I very well may, it'll probably end up looking quite a bit different.

 

[Ffamran]

40 minutes and 13 matches of Marth vs. Roy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUUc9sNb90I. Different players, so don't critique them all as 2 players and it's a glimpse of what the Marth and Roy MU looks like.

 

[HFlash]

Thank you! And thanks everyone else for the kind words.

I don't have a whole lot of Marth experience in this game, so I just sort of get by on fundamentals and Brawl Marth knowledge. I feel like my Marth has really good movement (thanks Brawl), spacing (thanks Brawl), and hitbox placement (thanks Brawl), but a really bad punish game and just poor optimization overall. I probably could stand to punish more things with Fsmash, but since I'm not sure of what I can punish with it I just opted for safe options and clean play instead, I wouldn't read into it too much, haha.

If I start to play this character more, which I very well may, it'll probably end up looking quite a bit different.

Haha, I am in the exact same position. He finally feels like... Marth in this patch (if that makes any sense). I too come from playing alot of Brawl Marth, and although the power of his kit has been shifted around (goodbye spamming fair as a legitimate strategy), he might be close to as strong as he was. Thanks for the post!

 

[Vipermoon]

I really don't mean to have a conversation about this and I'm glad you're happy but he definitely isn't even close to as strong as he was. A direct revival of Melee or Brawl Marth is a god tier in Smash 4 because this entire game is nerfed and fair and pretty much nothing is broken.

 

[Chalice]

Agreed. Although I think we can all agree that he is pretty solid now compared to his initial status in Smash 4

 

[AufWiedersehen]

Got some Marth replays from about 2 weeks ago.

For some background info, I played Lucina pretty much exclusively when Smash 4 first came out, then spent the last 4 months playing a lot of Rosalina. After EVO I decided to finally pick up Marth.
I played Marth in Melee and for the longest time did not want to main the same character in different games, but have since done away with that mindset.

vs
https://youtu.be/HsZfWXfKiuU

vs
https://youtu.be/OiBEXC3LlAE

I'm hoping playing Marth will improve my spacing game, maybe even improve my Lucina game. I know I have a lot of work to do with getting tippers but I'm hoping I'm able to leverage my time playing Lucina.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.