Heir to the Monado. Shulk General Discussion/Social Thread

[Whit]

What an epic direct! I cannot wait until the summer release. Was I the only one nervous during the AT section that Shulk might show up? Honestly, I felt Greninja was the low point of the direct. I did not know who he was (I was sure it was a pokemon) but I'm not in the pokemon loop. I initially thought Greninja was going to be Isaac lol.

In regards to Shulk, I still think he has a decent chance. Hasn't changed much for me

Oh my God I could barely watch the AT montage I was so terrified. However the new leak puts my mind at ease as well as the 3ds date because we will know the full roster pretty soon here.

 

[yoonb]

I think it's from Smash Run.

Ah, that could be a possibility as well. Especially since it's on the 3DS. I guess that's the most likely one at this point.

 

[foolssigma]

Any hint of Xenoblade would essentially ruin the surprise of Shulk's reveal. We all know how much Sakurai loves surprises (see Rosalina reveal among other tricks in yesterday's direct), but we also know how much Sakurai hates ruining surprises (See interview where he states an elaborate single player mode is removed due to Subspace cutscenes on Youtube). Shulk appearing would pretty much be all or nothing. The trailer would feature him, the music, a stage, and possibly items/AT all in one go. I think he's set for an E3 reveal at this point to tie into an X info dump (since that game is supposed to be this year too and yet we know hardly anything about it). Otherwise..... secret character, hoping for the former.

 

[DraginHikari]

I guess in my view Shulk is pretty much in the exact same place he was before. Nothing yesterday gave him any more chance or any less chance then he had previous. He's still linger in the middle of the scale where anything could go at this point.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Not even the supposed leak?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Any hint of Xenoblade would essentially ruin the surprise of Shulk's reveal. We all know how much Sakurai loves surprises (see Rosalina reveal among other tricks in yesterday's direct), but we also know how much Sakurai hates ruining surprises (See interview where he states an elaborate single player mode is removed due to Subspace cutscenes on Youtube). Shulk appearing would pretty much be all or nothing. The trailer would feature him, the music, a stage, and possibly items/AT all in one go. I think he's set for an E3 reveal at this point to tie into an X info dump (since that game is supposed to be this year too and yet we know hardly anything about it). Otherwise..... secret character, hoping for the former.

I hope Shulk isn't a secret character and we see him soon. Not just for us but also for Isaac, I know the two aren't that comparable but the chance of Isaac being a secret character goes up if Shulk isn't also a secret character....

The sal romano leak has split me down the middle. My favourite Isaac nowhere to be seen but my second favourite Shulk is right there. I can only hope if it's true that there's a couple more newcomers. (and Isaac is one of them)

 

[DaDavid]

I think the fact that both Shulk and Isaac survived the AT montage speaks well for both of them, especially with Saki and even Dark Samus being shown as AT's that are damn near characters.

 

[DraginHikari]

The leaks make for interesting theories but much like many of the other text leaks they are not particularly reliable proof in general at least not in my book. Isaac surivial of the AT montage is a bit more signifaciate due to Isaac previously being an AT in the past. For Shulk I don't think it helps nor hurts him.

 

[Snagrio]

Shulk, along with Issac and basically the entire Fire Emblem section, wasn't affected whatsoever from yesterday. But given how brutal that Direct was for many characters *cough*Ridley*cough* I'd say nothing is better then something potentially bad.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Ah...so it seems we have some more waiting to do in hopes of Shulk being revealed. Let's pray everything goes well and we can end up partying like these guys XD:

Spoiler

 

[foolssigma]

What is that from?

This is random, but I was just thinking about remixes in smash bros. What if Sakurai put You will know our names in the game, but turned it into a jazz song like he did with Metaknight's theme? Or some other crazy mix...

 

[DaDavid]

What is that from?

This is random, but I was just thinking about remixes in smash bros. What if Sakurai put You will know our names in the game, but turned it into a jazz song like he did with Metaknight's theme? Or some other crazy mix...

I'm mostly skeptical about remixes of any Xenoblade music, but who knows... That sounds like it could be cool.

 

[Deleted member]

This is random, but I was just thinking about remixes in smash bros. What if Sakurai put You will know our names in the game, but turned it into a jazz song like he did with Metaknight's theme? Or some other crazy mix...

To be honest, I can't see Xenoblade get any remixed songs. The soundtrack is too good to remix in my eyes.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

What is that from?

The Xenoblade art-book I believe, although I never heard about it until now. Operation rainfall also posted the pic on their website on the day Xenoblade was released in North America.

 

[MangoTwist]

Most people here want and beleive Shulk should be in Smash. But Im wondering, who here, if put in the position of predicting Sakurai, thinks he'll actually make it?

Im stuck in the middle, but if I had to go off my hunch, I would say yes.

 

[Deleted member]

Most people here want and beleive Shulk should be in Smash. But Im wondering, who here, if put in the position of predicting Sakurai, thinks he'll actually make it?

Im stuck in the middle, but if I had to go off my hunch, I would say yes.

I already believe that Shulk is in Smash. All of my reasoning is found here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/rate...ting-the-direct.338473/page-250#post-16475297
It's a long post, but it's worth a read if you are interested.

 

[DaDavid]

I think people here legitimately predict he'll appear.

I'm a little on the "unlikely, but definitely more likely than others" side of things. Basically I hope he'll be in and even expect it to a degree, but not enough that I would be dumbfound if he didn't end up in the game as a playable character.

 

[MangoTwist]

I already believe that Shulk is in Smash. All of my reasoning is found here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/rate...ting-the-direct.338473/page-250#post-16475297
It's a long post, but it's worth a read if you are interested.

I like your logic, and I agree that he should be in Smash, especially considering the Xeno series is being set up to become a big one for Nintendo.

My only issue is that Sakurai is so hard to predict. For all we know Shulk could've been passed over in favor of a walking Tetris block.

Also, could you elaborate on the whole "Shulk is a highly requested character" thing? I wouldn't be surprised, Im just wondering what you're basing that off of.

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

About Shulk's potential Final Smash, wouldn't it be cool if it was Mechonis Slash X, or something? I imagine that the Bionis would come out in the background with Shulk on stage releasing their final blow with the Monado, much like how Zanza and the Bionis did the same to the Mechonis almost? Or can Final Smashes not be spoilerific? o.o

 

[Banjodorf]

About Shulk's potential Final Smash, wouldn't it be cool if it was Mechonis Slash X, or something? I imagine that the Bionis would come out in the background with Shulk on stage releasing their final blow with the Monado, much like how Zanza and the Bionis did the same to the Mechonis almost? Or can Final Smashes not be spoilerific? o.o

Well, it doesn't sound all that spoilerific for people who haven't played the game. I mean, the Bionis and Mechonis do fight in the very beginning, and the Bionis has the Monado big blue story sword.

As far as Shulk: I'm waiting to see what happens, but I'm pretty confident in SalRomano's source. I just hope against hope there are more characters, so that my beloved Kremling King can also join in the fun since his odds are higher than they've ever been.

Looking forward to potentially celebrating Shulk's reveal with you all! The future is ours to decide!

 

[Whit]

About Shulk's potential Final Smash, wouldn't it be cool if it was Mechonis Slash X, or something? I imagine that the Bionis would come out in the background with Shulk on stage releasing their final blow with the Monado, much like how Zanza and the Bionis did the same to the Mechonis almost? Or can Final Smashes not be spoilerific? o.o

That's not too spoilery. But words cannot describe how I would feel to see a 7 way chain attack featuring the main Xenoblade cast. They would inflict break, topple, then daze along with massive damage… Oh my God the chills

Ah...so it seems we have some more waiting to do in hopes of Shulk being revealed. Let's pray everything goes well and we can end up partying like these guys XD:

Spoiler

Once Shulk is finally included, this thread needs to be capped with this picture.

 

[Banjodorf]

So I've been thinking about this for a while. Is there literally any way to include the vision mechanic? I really want it to be included somehow, but I'm just not sure how to do it.

Foresight is tricky.

 

[MangoTwist]

So I've been thinking about this for a while. Is there literally any way to include the vision mechanic? I really want it to be included somehow, but I'm just not sure how to do it.

Foresight is tricky.

Good question. If he's going to be a character, he needs a vision mechanic of some sort.

...maybe he can have some sort of attack like the Back Shield item but instead of just protecting himself from he can counter all attacks that hit his back? His ability to do this only lasts a limited time, and is charged and activated similar to Wario's fart.

Or maybe over time he can gain the ability to use a charged up version of one of his specials, included a vision related one? This kind of emulates the way arts work in Xenoblade.

 

[Banjodorf]

For 1. I could see him being able to avoid all attacks from behind or something. It does sound a little bit complicated though.

2. Sounds like the idea using a Monado gauge where he'd be able to use a powered up Monado ability like Buster or Speed when it was fully charged. (Not something like Little Mac's, but giving him different specials/what have you.) As far as how that could relate to visions...it's so tricky. The best thing I can think of it something lime your idea, where it has to do with avoidance. Slowing down time is another idea I had, but I don't think it reps the actual mechanic as well, and isn't really "foresight".

 

[MangoTwist]

Knowing how much Sakurai loves unique characters and playstyles, I think he would be intrigued more than anything about trying to implement a vision mechanic in a character. Also Xenoblade combat focuses quite a bit on positioning (front, behind, etc.). These are two things no other character really has at the moment. I think this bodes well for Shulk if we're trying to predict Sakurai and whether or not he would include him on the roster.

But you're right. It is very tricky, but it's something he needs.

 

[Whit]

Good question. If he's going to be a character, he needs a vision mechanic of some sort.

...maybe he can have some sort of attack like the Back Shield item but instead of just protecting himself from he can counter all attacks that hit his back? His ability to do this only lasts a limited time, and is charged and activated similar to Wario's fart.

Or maybe over time he can gain the ability to use a charged up version of one of his specials, included a vision related one? This kind of emulates the way arts work in Xenoblade.

I'm thinking along those lines too. My guess is he'll be a character that focuses around counter attacks much like Little Mac focuses on super armor. These counters would make it appear as if he's having visions and predicting attacks without overcomplicating his play style with a meter/leveling/vision system. For example an attack with a brief moment of counter armor before it's executed or stuff like that.

 

[Banjodorf]

Oh man! The idea of attacks that do more damaged based on positioning sure is interesting.

Hopefully it wouldn't be TOO gimmicky, nor would the Monado powers, and we could have ourselves an amazing Smash character!

 

[Deleted member]

Also, could you elaborate on the whole "Shulk is a highly requested character" thing? I wouldn't be surprised, Im just wondering what you're basing that off of.

Shulk is one of the most requested characters worldwide. Japan is where his support is the absolute strongest; he is probably, if not definitely, within their top 5 most wanted newcomers. More info on that here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/obse...es-desires-for-smash-4-by-chronobound.338160/

About Shulk's potential Final Smash, wouldn't it be cool if it was Mechonis Slash X, or something? I imagine that the Bionis would come out in the background with Shulk on stage releasing their final blow with the Monado, much like how Zanza and the Bionis did the same to the Mechonis almost? Or can Final Smashes not be spoilerific? o.o

Hmm...
I rather have the Bionis attack for Shulk as his Final Smash than the Mechonis; it would make more sense in context to those who haven't played Xenoblade. I am fully expecting Shulk's Final Smash to be Monado Cyclone to be honest.

As far as Shulk: I'm waiting to see what happens, but I'm pretty confident in SalRomano's source. I just hope against hope there are more characters, so that my beloved Kremling King can also join in the fun since his odds are higher than they've ever been.

Rosalina was confirmed and she wasn't even mentioned in first SalRomano leak. I say that there are more characters than the 11 that he mentioned.

 

[foolssigma]

Shulk's my most wanted character and the longer I stick around on these boards, the more likely it seems he'll be in the game. Part of this is the recent SalRomano leak, but Sakurai's character picks are so unpredictable, Shulk is bound to fall into that category for most people. I think we're all hoping for more choir men, I mean characters.

I love how every so often we come back to discussing the vision mechanic, but never seem to come up with the perfect way to implement it. In a way its comparable to the Palutena leak....sort of.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I believe that latest leak quite honestly. I have full confidence that Shulk will be in.

 

[Deleted member]

I believe that latest leak quite honestly. I have full confidence that Shulk will be in.

I've had confidence in Shulk since the beginning. Before I even started speculating, I thought that he was a big contender for this game (back when I called him "the main character in Xenoblade" and didn't go on Smashboards).
The leak helps him (even though that Chorus Men thing is fishy), but I believe he always had strong chances. I think that we will definitely behold the power of the Monado in Smash!
I just hope that he gets confirmed at E3.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So I've been thinking about this for a while. Is there literally any way to include the vision mechanic? I really want it to be included somehow, but I'm just not sure how to do it.

Foresight is tricky.

That's the tricky part, but my version is basically extensive mechanics that emphasize countering, dodging, and blocking with it being handwaved as visions.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Only thing I've seen for visions that sounds interesting is a final smash that reverts time back 10-15 seconds and locks the other players into making the same actions they did during those 10-15 seconds. (Sorta like ghost trials in Mario kart)

So the 10-15 seconds before using the final smash turns into the "vision".

It kinda lacks "pow" for a final smash though.

 

[MangoTwist]

I want to believe the leak too. But with the vagueness of "X/Y Pokemon" and Mii looking unlikely based on the recent direct (that Find Mii crown icon), I don't know how I feel about it.

If Shulk or Mii get unveiled, I'll beleive it. If Chorus Men get unveiled, then I think everyone will have no choice but to accept it.

Also if the leak was fake, I feel it would mention at least one of Mewtwo, Ridley, or K. Rool, since a lot of the fake ones do.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well, K. Rool's got better chances than he ever did right now, but its worth noting the guy may not know every newcomer, since he never mentioned Rosalina.

One of the things I find that helps it is not only the likelihood in general of all the other newcomers on the list, but how few he mentioned. Most leaks liked to go big.

Shulk's chances were already pretty good, and hints have been getting dropped all over the place from Soraya and Sakurai himself. Pac-man is basically in, as much as I hate to admit it, with those Namco items. (If they got to have items in the game, why would they stop there? Sega/Konami/Capcom didn't/don't get that, either.)

Palutena and Chrom are about as easy to guess as Mario at this point, but still. I just have a strong feeling about Marshal or Chorus Men or whatever. Feels like a good choice for a WTF character, and after Brawl speculation I'm not surprised.

Hopefully we'll know by E3?

@ Sabrewulf238 Yknow, I actually kinda like that. If Shulk could do something extra during that time period Nd it was flashy, I feel like I'd like it. Vision is a must!

 

[DaDavid]

I just wish E3 wasn't so damned far away now. It's pretty much impossible that we'll be getting a newcomer before than to prove the leak true or false, so it's just a wait game till essentially release.

 

[MangoTwist]

I just wish E3 wasn't so damned far away now. It's pretty much impossible that we'll be getting a newcomer before than to prove the leak true or false, so it's just a wait game till essentially release.

Yeah, and Im not sure Chorus Men or Shulk are E3 material (unless Shulk is used to promote the new Xeno sequel), and they're the two that would go the furthest in proving the leak true. Unless one of the characters from the leak goes to the graveyard, we might have to wait until release to know if the leak is true.

And yeah, Wii Fit Trainer wasnt exactly E3 material either.

 

[DaDavid]

Yeah, and Im not sure Chorus Men or Shulk are E3 material (unless Shulk is used to promote the new Xeno sequel), and they're the two that would go the furthest in proving the leak true. Unless one of the characters from the leak goes to the graveyard, we might have to wait until release to know if the leak is true.

And yeah, Wii Fit Trainer wasnt exactly E3 material either.

Actually I find all three of those are perfect for E3. Wii Fit Trainer certainly was, because she piggybacked off the hype of Villager/Mega Man.

She wouldn't have received as "well" as she was if she were revealed by herself sometime later in the year, and I think Choir Men and Shulk are pretty much in the same boat. Both are pretty damn niche compared to other potential newcomers, so they would be best revealed alongside other characters that would generate one big mass of hype.

 

[MangoTwist]

Actually I find all three of those are perfect for E3. Wii Fit Trainer certainly was, because she piggybacked off the hype of Villager/Mega Man.

She wouldn't have received as "well" as she was if she were revealed by herself sometime later in the year, and I think Choir Men and Shulk are pretty much in the same boat. Both are pretty damn niche compared to other potential newcomers, so they would be best revealed alongside other characters that would generate one big mass of hype.

That's a really good point. I could totally see that now that I think about it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Shulk however can hold on his own better then Wii Fit Trainer, due to him actually having any support and having more apparent capabilities.