Heir to the Monado. Shulk General Discussion/Social Thread

[erico9001]

Well... there are a lot of characters to reveal before the Japan release, 44 days from now, assuming they only intend on having a few unrevealed characters.

Well, they will have to reveal the characters somehow. They can go the direction of PotD reveals like with Paulutena, multiple character reveals like with Robin, and a Smash direct. I don't have too large of a preference for which way they should use primarily, but it has been a while since they revealed someone in the PotD. Maybe tonight, eh?

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So,I thought of something fun to do. I'm going to post all of Shulk's non-Monado arts, and we can take each one and say what we think it could do in Smash and what button input we would assign it to.

• Slit Edge - Damages single target. Attacking the target's side will reduce Physical Defence.
• Back Slash - Damages single target. Attacking the target's back will cause double damage (also generates aggro).
• Light Heal - Restores HP to a single ally.
• Shaker Edge - Damages single target, Dazes if target is Toppled
• Air Slash - Damage and inflict Break on a single target. A side hit may inflict Slow.
• Shadow Eye - Reduces aggro and increases damage of next physical arts
• Battle Soul - Sacrifices half of Shulk's HP to refill a portion of his talent gauge
• Stream Edge - Damages multiple enemies in front of Shulk, inflicts Break and fills talent gauge

Get to it!

I'm game.

Slit edge - Not a very high knockback but after this is used the enemy takes more damage from hits for a few seconds

or
Back Slash - Bonus damage from the back like with Robin's Nosferatu.

Light Heal - Special move that heals the user but is only usable every so often (as to not be op and replicates the in-game cooldown effect)

or
Shaker Edge - Shulk does part of a spin on start up, progresses the spin a little when holding the smash, and then swings sword low and around him in order to face his original direction. Hits enemies from either side of him. Perhaps if they have been slipped by one of Diddy's banana peels they get dazed, lol.

(Air)
Air Slash - Shulk swings his sword in an under hand swing like he does in the game. Perhaps slows the opponents down for a little bit if it connects (seems op though)

Shadow Eye - Shulk becomes invisible and his next attack has increased power?

Battle Soul - Changes Shulk's next attack into a powerful monado art , which one is based on what move is used next? (Personally, I would just have monado arts as special attacks but I guess this is possible)

Stream Edge - Well here's an interesting idea I had. Shulk uses stream edge as his dash attack. Kinda prepares for the attack before he does a jump and during the jump he lets out the slash. Movement ends when his feet hit the ground.
When he uses it in the Xenoblade, he does jump forward a bit if my memory is correct.

 

[Hokori]

Beat me to it. I also see air slash as a F-Air. It could work as an U-Tilt too. But other than that:

Stream Edge - I see this working as a F-Tilt that does mediocre damage but damages shields really well.

Hm, I think I like Slit Edge as F-Tilt (to serve as a poker; solid shield damage as well) and have D-Tilt be Stream Edge as @ TitanTeaTime suggested.

Well, I'm currently designing a moveset with Stream Edge assigned to DTilt, Air Slash assigned to Up-B, Shaker Edge assigned to Side-B and Back Slash assigned to FTilt. It's a bit strange, but there's a good reason for it to do with the main gimmick.
Light Heal, Shadow Eye and Battle Soul all seem like they would fit as Down-B moves, where Light Heal could work as long as it's not too much (healing as an ability wasn't seen in Smash until Robin in the first place), Shadow Eye could simply increase your defences (though Monado Armour could also work for that) and Battle Soul would only really be useful with the talent gauge as the moveset's gimmick.

Would you have Light Heal function as a recovery move that functions like Ivysaur's in PM, or recovery a small, fixed amount? If it's like Ivysaur's, the drawback is having to find the time to recover, it's cool-down period after release, and you only get 1% every half second or so? As for a fixed amount, the drawback probably needs to focus more on the cool-down of the move. Curious to hear more on how you envisioned it.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Hm, I think I like Slit Edge as F-Tilt (to serve as a poker; solid shield damage as well) and have D-Tilt be Stream Edge as @ TitanTeaTime suggested.



Would you have Light Heal function as a recovery move that functions like Ivysaur's in PM, or recovery a small, fixed amount? If it's like Ivysaur's, the drawback is having to find the time to recover, it's cool-down period after release, and you only get 1% every half second or so? As for a fixed amount, the drawback probably needs to focus more on the cool-down of the move. Curious to hear more on how you envisioned it.

Ah, I forgot about Ivysaur. It's mostly just that they would have to have some kind of major downside, otherwise he'd be able to avoid the opponent and heal off everything that they had taken. I can see the long cooldown time working for it though, as unlike Ivysaur's ability it's more of an instant heal. So like 10%, but he cools down for about 2-3 seconds which is long enough to punish if he's caught unaware.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Shadow eye drops aggro, any idea on how that aspect of the move could be replicated? Perhaps it could somehow position you behind an opponent, which would be ideal if black slash actually is in his moveset. I don't know, just throwing out ideas.

 

[Solfiner]

Hm, I think I like Slit Edge as F-Tilt (to serve as a poker; solid shield damage as well) and have D-Tilt be Stream Edge as @ TitanTeaTime suggested.

I personally think that slit edge could work as a D-Tilt instead. It could function like Marths D-Tilt but slower. Stream edge's range would fit a F-Tilt more imo.

 

[Hokori]

Ah, I forgot about Ivysaur. It's mostly just that they would have to have some kind of major downside, otherwise he'd be able to avoid the opponent and heal off everything that they had taken. I can see the long cooldown time working for it though, as unlike Ivysaur's ability it's more of an instant heal. So like 10%, but he cools down for about 2-3 seconds which is long enough to punish if he's caught unaware.

In-game time 2-3 seconds is like the duration of Ganondorf's Warlock Punch, so that's pretty long. Long enough to really bring down the move's usage since the only time it'll likely get used is either upon KO'ing the opponent or giving up on edgeguarding to recover instead. Otherwise, that 10% recovered will mean nothing after taking a possibly charged Smash Attack that can deal out 20+%. So once again, it would be up to the user to decide opportunity costs, fair enough. I will also say that the thing I like about Ivysaur's recovery in PM (aside from sweetspotting certain attacks/pummeling) is that it's not exactly 'broken'. Since you recover just 1% at a time, and even if you don't 'charge' the move, you have to wait out the move's duration, so it's manageable.

 

[TwentyTwo]

By the way, SOMEONE had to have inflicted this daze status.....

I'm pretty much ready to pin my hopes and dreams on this. I have a lot of faith in Sakurai to get Shulk right, but at the same time there are some adaptations that kind of worry me. Ike being a prime example because he was slow in brawl but had a very good speed stat in Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn.

By the way, played the game at comic-con, super fun stuff.

 

[MegaLagann]

Shadow eye drops aggro, any idea on how that aspect of the move could be replicated? Perhaps it could somehow position you behind an opponent, which would be ideal if black slash actually is in his moveset. I don't know, just throwing out ideas.

Maybe Shadow Eye can drop the amount of damage you take for a limited time? That's the best I can come up with.

By the way, SOMEONE had to have inflicted this daze status.....

I totally forgot about this...Shulk confirmed! But really this, like Robin's Nosferactu, gives me a better feeling about Shulk.

 

[egaddmario]

So what's been going on in this thread? Any fun pictures or gifs?

 

[Spazzy_D]

Hey, who was it I need to message about the super fun social group with Bronados?

 

[DuwangAnon]

Hey, who was it I need to message about the super fun social group with Bronados?

I sort of remember something along those lines. Sign me up.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Hey, who was it I need to message about the super fun social group with Bronados?

Hokori, I believe

 

[Spazzy_D]

Hokori, I believe

Awesome, thanks.

 

[Solfiner]

Yeah, it's @ Hokori ! We haven't really started talking a lot, so you havent missed much.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Let's not let the actual Shulk thread slow down though, thought we actually had a really constructive and on topic day today!

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Awesome, thanks.

I forgot I could invite you guys. lol

 

[Solfiner]

Let's not let the actual Shulk thread slow down though, thought we actually had a really constructive and on topic day today!

Agreed. But it's still a nice group to have.

 

[Minato Arisato]

I usually don't provide much input, so...I guess it's a good thing that I'm not there.

 

[erico9001]

So what's been going on in this thread? Any fun pictures or gifs?

Hey, who was it I need to message about the super fun social group with Bronados?

There's your answer.
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Let's not let the actual Shulk thread slow down though, thought we actually had a really constructive and on topic day today!

I've got like 11 hours left in my day
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You know, with all the gifs/images that have been made for this thread, I'm surprised there hasn't been many made with a message of support for Shulk being in Smash 4 :3.
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edit: Here's what Monado Buster might look like as a Final Smash.

 

[Dunban]

What happened to that event thing where we would learn more about the roster?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So, I heard there was a Shulk thread social group? If I may ask, what kind of discussion goes on there? ;;

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

So, I heard there was a Shulk thread social group? If I may ask, what kind of discussion goes on there? ;;

Randomness. Like Fat Shulks and pretty bird ladies. :3

 

[Dunban]

Randomness. Like Fat Shulks and pretty bird ladies. :3

It hurts how accurate this is...

 

[GM_3826]

A lot of the social group threads remind me of Nightfall on another forum. Pretty much 99% off-topic discussion unless an update rolls around... for a few days, max.

 

[Deleted member]

edit: Here's what Monado Buster might look like as a Final Smash.

Monado Buster makes more sense as special move for Shulk. It's not the best idea they could go with as a Final Smash. I can see Monado Cyclone or a Chain Attack be his Final Smash.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What happened to that event thing where we would learn more about the roster?

You mean the CoroCoro thing? I kind of doubt they'd leak the whole roster; they'd probably just tell us stuff we already know. *shrug* If memory serves I don't think they did show off the whole Brawl roster, but didn't they actually leak some things related to Pokemon X/Y?

Monado Buster makes more sense as special move for Shulk. It's not the best idea they could go with as a Final Smash. I can see Monado Cyclone or a Chain Attack be his Final Smash.

Yeah, Monado Buster could be a standard B, while for a FS I'm thinking more Monado Purge with an added auto-shield break/disabling B moves for a few seconds, like how it functions in game?

 

[GM_3826]

You mean the CoroCoro thing? I kind of doubt they'd leak the whole roster; they'd probably just tell us stuff we already know. *shrug* If memory serves I don't think they did show off the whole Brawl roster, but didn't they actually leak some things related to Pokemon X/Y?

It's actually been confirmed that the Corocoro thing was mistranslated. They're not showing off the whole roster: Just everyone revealed so far.

 

[SamTheMan711]

You mean the CoroCoro thing? I kind of doubt they'd leak the whole roster; they'd probably just tell us stuff we already know. *shrug* If memory serves I don't think they did show off the whole Brawl roster, but didn't they actually leak some things related to Pokemon X/Y?


Yeah, Monado Buster could be a standard B, while for a FS I'm thinking more Monado Purge with an added auto-shield break/disabling B moves for a few seconds, like how it functions in game?

No I really couldn't see purge as an FS, mabey a chain attack with Reyn and Dunban?
(edit)- only four of us here? were is everybody? guess the hypes dead

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

What's this about a social group? Have I been forgotten?

 

[Andyjoe522]

I've pretty much said all I have to say as far as his Final Smash is concerned. The chain attack feels like it would make for a far more fitting Final Smash than choosing what's basically just one of Shulk's eight Talent Arts.

 

[SpindaMaster]

Randomness. Like Fat Shulks and pretty bird ladies. :3

Well now I definitely want in.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I've pretty much said all I have to say as far as his Final Smash is concerned. The chain attack feels like it would make for a far more fitting Final Smash than choosing what's basically just one of Shulk's eight Talent Arts.

A vision cut scene would also be acceptable.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

There's your answer.
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I've got like 11 hours left in my day
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You know, with all the gifs/images that have been made for this thread, I'm surprised there hasn't been many made with a message of support for Shulk being in Smash 4 :3.
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edit: Here's what Monado Buster might look like as a Final Smash.

Looks neat, but I think buster would be a better special attack, or perhaps a smash attack.

Since we're speaking of final smashes...

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I was wondering...Since Robin isn't being controlled by Grima in her final smash, how about instead Shulk becomes controlled by Zanza for a short time?

 

[Andyjoe522]

Looks neat, but I think buster would be a better special attack, or perhaps a smash attack.

Since we're speaking of final smashes...

Spoiler

I was wondering...Since Robin isn't being controlled by Grima in her final smash, how about instead Shulk becomes controlled by Zanza for a short time?

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I object to that final smash idea for the same reason I object to Robin using Grima in his/her final smash. It just feels like it conflicts with the character, who's goal is ultimately to overcome the mad god that's made a claim on his existence. Having Robin use Grima or Shulk use Zanza for their final smash would go against much of the morals and goals of their respective stories. The chain attack/ summoning Chrom makes for much better final smashes for these characters than summoning Zanza/Grima would.

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

Looks neat, but I think buster would be a better special attack, or perhaps a smash attack.

Since we're speaking of final smashes...

Spoiler

I was wondering...Since Robin isn't being controlled by Grima in her final smash, how about instead Shulk becomes controlled by Zanza for a short time?

Spoiler

Eh... Zanza never directly controls Shulk. Moreover, he influences Shulk. I'd prefer a chain attack final smash, to let us see other party members, and because my headcanon for Smash is that for the most part, it takes place after the individual games. Ya know, after Zanza's long gone. With exceptions for Ganondorf, 'cause he dead after his game.

 

[xLemmy_KoopaX]

To anyone who wants into our social group:
The non-premiums of us can't invite more people because of a 10-person limit. However, premiums can invite so that more than 10 persons can be there; to be exact, 50.
This means you must ask @KingofZeroX or @ Hokori if you want an invitation. And you want an invitation.

 

[Solfiner]

What's this about a social group? Have I been forgotten?

If any of you want to join the Social group, just ask @ Hokori and he will invite you to it!

 

[Andyjoe522]

There's your answer.
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I've got like 11 hours left in my day
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You know, with all the gifs/images that have been made for this thread, I'm surprised there hasn't been many made with a message of support for Shulk being in Smash 4 :3.
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edit: Here's what Monado Buster might look like as a Final Smash.

Spoiler

Spoiler: End game spoilers

Considering the weapon he's using there, you might want to edit in a spoiler tag on that gif.

 

[SkittleE]

So guys, I was playing Xenoblade... and I had to share this valuable info. We have things like the Adam Howden tweet that we're pinning our hopes on, can we use this as solid evidence of Shulk being confirmed for Smash?

Let's analyse this further

• Shulk's visions has been confirmed to come true without Shulk's intervention
• Xenoblade Chronicles is a Nintendo game, same company that makes Smash
• Smash appearing in Xenoblade, Xenoblade appearing in Smash.

I dunno guys, I think I might be onto something.

Edit:

Spoiler: This part didn't happen.

Spoiler: No really, it didn't.

Spoiler: I'm opting to ignore it, anyway.

Let's pretend this vision didn't end in Shulk dying, okay? Okay.

Is it sad that I think I recognize that location exactly?

Wait, there's a social group made specifically for our shenanigans? Gosh damn, I need to pay attention more often.

 

[Sheddy]

Shulk will probably be better than anything we had imagined, like with Robin and Rosalina. *~*

believe it or not Robin played exactly like he does only thing I did not think was the Levin sword and the whole limited use not that I think that's bad if Robin did not have a limit use he'd be way to OP I got a feeling he'll be top tier since his attacks seem to do so much damage