#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
So you're saying that, aside from the fact that I dun goofed with the whole vote thing, what I said doesn't hold merit?
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Actually I was just pondering over this little conversation of Gorf and Bardull. To be honest, I don't really care for either slot. They both raise legitimate points against each other. But both their posts seem stressed and fake. ScumVsScum or IndyVsScum anyone? I can see Gorf as the Indy.SOKR, YOU'RE VIEWING? Do you have some thoughts on a player other than MockingJay?
That piece of information matters because that's all you had in the first place. Your scum read dies when that information becomes debunked, yet you're still trying to push my lynch and come off as townish despite the fact that I've addressed it and explained why you're read is wrong.I don't see why this last piece of information matters. I mean it's obvious being that it's right after your first post, it's been proven that I can find scum from one post (you in DK mafia), and you seemed totally cool with it when it happened, considering that I had verbalized MJ hate over you.
You'd make a terrible politician. What are you trying to accomplish by saying this? This is really scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a strawman argument. You're attacking the fact that I didn't bring it up before Circus, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a legitimate point that you're blatantly trying to ignore. Oh and I'll happily say that I didn't pay much attention to it at first which is why I ignored it, but since Circus brought it up, I actually see what he's saying and you're just hella scummy for it.Funny how this wasn't a problem until Circus said it.
What? I never asked JTB if he had a town read on me. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN READING ANY OF MY POSTS! YOU ARE JUST MAKING **** UP.Except... this isn't true. We should also consider the way that you've tackled the post limit malarkey this game, and also your fake little scenario with JTB where you ask if he already has a town read on you. Oh and also your desire to treat me nice and cozily on the get-go, letting me "run loose for now" and the wording when you were curious about my read on you but not wanting to discuss it while I have my hands tied. But yea. JUST those two things.
It's scummy because you're pushing me without reading the content I'm providing. It's as if you think you're going to get away with pushing my lynch while ignoring the content I'm posting. As Town, you should be trying to get a read on me, but you're not reading ****, you're just mindlessly pushing and hoping I get lynched. THAT'S SCUMMY.And this is scummy cuz?
This is vague and you're not explaining yourself at all. You're just trying to come off as if you know more than you really do, but in actuality you're just full of **** and you don't have a scum read on me.You actually do a good job outing yourself as scum. I took the initial steps, and it's not like I don't have support.
Yes, I'm saying that you're scum goggling me (and to my knowledge that means you're scum trying to make me out to be scum) and faking commitment because there's just no way you'd be pushing on me this hard without reading my content, like it's pretty ridiculous.Do you even know what you're saying here?
What? First off, you're assuming he has to post in a drunken manner, and then secondly you're ok with what he's saying? He admitted that he died of alcohol poisoning and drug usage at EDC or something so I'm pretty sure he's alluding to the fact that he's actually drunk/high while he's posting. Secondly him posting what he's posting is totally vague and makes no sense, so that should have been a red flag for you. Instead you just say what he said is "very well put" when RR hasn't gone in depth AT ALL with his read. You're not even trying to analyze why he is going on the wagon, only that the wagon is supporting your push on me so you don't care to question it. SCUMMY.Actually, the fact that I said very well put is allusion to him having to post in a drunken manner, but hey since I like what he said I'll go with it!
This makes NO SENSE. WHAT IS A MECHANICAL APPROACH? You don't even know what a mechanical approach is yet you're supporting it. You're such a scumbag LOL it's hilarious.Actually, it's your mechanical approach on him that he didn't dig, which it was.
Lol @ boldedBardull said:That piece of information matters because that's all you had in the first place. Your scum read dies when that information becomes debunked, yet you're still trying to push my lynch and come off as townish despite the fact that I've addressed it and explained why you're read is wrong.
Bardull said:What? I never asked JTB if he had a town read on me. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN READING ANY OF MY POSTS! YOU ARE JUST MAKING **** UP.
Btw when you talk so invectively like you've been you lose so much credibility. And no, it's not a two way street.Bardull said:Fortunately, I learn from my mistakes. It won't happen again. You seem confident that I'm town this game though, as that's advice you'd be giving to a Town BarDulL.
Throwing the word scummy around doesn't make me scum.Bardull said:I think I tackled the post limit problem just fine. Why don't you actually EXPLAIN yourself instead of being vague and scummy about it?
Dat OMGUS.Bardull said:My desire to treat you nice and cozily? What the hell are you talking about? I was OK WITH THE DIRECTION YOU WERE GOING IN. Obviously now I'm not because the way you are going about pushing my lynch is just awful and screams scummy to me.
You're really bad at making one look scummy mang, and come on, I'm pretty easy to make look scummy.Bardull said:It's scummy because you're pushing me without reading the content I'm providing. It's as if you think you're going to get away with pushing my lynch while ignoring the content I'm posting. As Town, you should be trying to get a read on me, but you're not reading ****, you're just mindlessly pushing and hoping I get lynched. THAT'S SCUMMY.
No actually I do, this is how this all started, I called you out for BEING scum, which alludes to the idea that I, in fact, DO have a scum read on you mang.Bardull said:This is vague and you're not explaining yourself at all. You're just trying to come off as if you know more than you really do, but in actuality you're just full of **** and you don't have a scum read on me.
And I'm the one not reading.Bardull said:What? First off, you're assuming he has to post in a drunken manner, and then secondly you're ok with what he's saying? He admitted that he died of alcohol poisoning and drug usage at EDC or something so I'm pretty sure he's alluding to the fact that he's actually drunk/high while he's posting.
Nah, try again.Bardull said:Secondly him posting what he's posting is totally vague and makes no sense, so that should have been a red flag for you. Instead you just say what he said is "very well put" when RR hasn't gone in depth AT ALL with his read. You're not even trying to analyze why he is going on the wagon, only that the wagon is supporting your push on me so you don't care to question it. SCUMMY.
I dunno, maybe MJ's just scummy to me because our views don't line up, but I don't like his slot ATM. I'm not gonna vote him yet, but he's definitely got my FOS.
:thumbsdown:Can't tell if Gorf is scum, dumb, or town troll this game. Either way, he needs to be hit with an investigative. I implore it.
This is the reaction I had to Gorf the last time I was scum, haha. Keep pushing, he'll move to ignoring you flatout and then you can execute your scumly stratagems in peaceHeck, you're not even going in depth or trying to respond to my post which debunks your argument against me on the premise that "you don't need to." Why? I think it's because you know your case is **** and you don't have squat on me. No, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is.
I don't want Gorf in late game if he isn't getting investigated, it's too risky.
Vote Again: BarDulL****, I hate using up posts.
Yes.nabe you are town son?
I'd shoot John first, I actually quite agree with Ruy's opinion on Bardull's mechanical play.Sokr, Raziek, how is it possible that you have not answered these questions yet?
Raziek, bonus question, who are your scum partners?
Nope.aviRAZIEK, STOP MACKIN' ON YOUR IMAGINARY GIRLFRIEND.
This post makes no sense.Bardull sauys he FOS Gorf anf findes him scummie.
Calls hum dumb pist after and possibllle dunb town?
Thef he voters John, as iffer to pleaser Gorf.
Disloke these deflection, die due die.
lol at ne being drunk irl ffffor this.
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Sosker man, tailk with me, drujnk with me, John ok? Marshy ok? y you liker or if mayube hate?
thjen you went tio this.Really?
Vote: Gorf
This should be pretty self-explanatory.
I think Gorf is just being ********.
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Vote: John
John needs to die. And RR. Can't tell if Gorf is scum, dumb, or town troll this game. Either way, he needs to be hit with an investigative. I implore it.
I don't want Gorf in late game if he isn't getting investigated, it's too risky.
MJ, respond to my points.
I'mn getting mixer messages friom this all.****, I hate using up posts.
John, convince me that you're town. Give me reads.
I must be skimming more than I thought, because you've mentioned this quite a few times now but I don't remember him saying anything about DK Mafia.@Nabe - No, I'm pretty sure he's just being dumb. At first I was like "is Gorf seriously trying to push me as scum" but then I realized Gorf is just being Gorf and tunneling me because he thinks I scum telled like in DK mafia...which I didn't.
And I don't care for this reply at all. Why do you call me out on my answer and not July for asking the question that caused it?I don't really care for posts like these. All of these posts that have been centered on discussing and speculating about post count and who posts what or who makes however many posts seems to just be using up posts. I'm not saying we forget about the importance of this but we're wasting posts discussing speculations. If anything, we should keep it in the back of our mind but move on to more useful items. Let's move on, shall we?
My question to John has been explained, but I understand how it could appear scummy as well. I took a different approach to Sokr as I wanted to force him to make a connection to someone so that if he were to flip scum later, then I had one thing to look back to.I'm don't agree with the bolded. I didn't read much into JTB's introductory post until people started answering his questions I realized that some of the questions, such as the ones to Sokr and John, could be used by scum to gather information. Asking about scumtells John would look lets scum know what behavior to avoid, and asking Sokr who he finds most threatening can be used against Sokr or the person he states is most threatening as scum later in the game. I also find his reads to be pretty safe so far, especially as his MJ read is nested in with a lot of stronger opinions about MJ fluffing, so it was a pretty safe stance for him to take at the time.
I think you are all dumb for not reading what my question was.I also feel John is slightly scum for his "Yes I'm scumhunting, why do you ask this?" It seemed like a knee jerk reaction from him. It wasn't a scumhunting question, just a question to throw back at the ... person asking questions. I would expect John to be laid back and not do much yet I wouldn't expect him to ask a question like that unless he was scum. Like what was his intention in asking that? That is what I am looking at here.
Gord/JTb thoughts on this?
Kk I can understand that. What is your read on Circus?I guess I can see why they think it's scummy, but I don't agree. Take it like this: I didn't like the earlier posts from MockingJay because they were dwelling on stupid things. I don't agree with the notion that it was scummy, however. I couldn't get a definitive read leaning either way from it, so I went with trying to gauge their reaction.
Ran drops this little note about Gord but never actually deso anything about it or even quote things he doesn't like from Gord after that. I expected after reading this post that Ran would give some insight into why Gord could be possibly scum in his own words instead of simply agreeing with Bardull's case wholesale.UGH I HATE WALLS. I WANT TO HAVE SEPARATE POSTS. *RAISES FIST TOWARDS JD *
@Nayb:
I'm voting scum. What are you doing?
I like how Bardull responded to Gord's case. Unlike DK Mafia, he hasn't freaked out and has been composed. His latest post convinced me Gord is possibly scum as well trying to fake commitment. I don't see why I should vote Bardull instead of Raziek, and why do you want me to? (Since you are only hopping on the wagon, not really contributing to it)
Nabe is leaning town for me, I agree with his questioning you and especially his questioning your thought process on Raziek. His first few posts didn't add much new content but where he's going now with his questions and his line o suspicion I like.I will ask your opinion on Nabe when you can.
Town Ran is aggressive, but that's not what is bothering me about his play so far. He's been throwing out thoughts and accusations without really backing them up, especially in the #103 where he says he understands the Gord suspicions but never comments on Gord himself and quotes Bardull but never explains the quote. I also want to address more specifically his Raziek suspicion but I'm trying to wait until Raziek addresses those points first.@July Is townRan always rabidly aggressive e.g. 103? Ran has always played a Ran-centric game but this post seems erratic. If I'm asking the wrong person, let me know, but I figure you have a decent scope on his play.
I agree with this, I don't see anything wrong with you providing an answer to my question.And I don't care for this reply at all. Why do you call me out on my answer and not July for asking the question that caused it?
Your RVS questions could be town, but up until people started answering your questions and I could see ways their answers could benefit scum I didn't consider the possible scum intent behind them. It made me reevaluate your posts and your stances, especially your suspicion of MJ, seemed safe. I'm not super confident you are scum, but I am confident that I need to hear more from you and that I don't like you playing safe, which means I want to see where you go and what your reads are now. Specifically I want to know your read on Sokr and your current read on MJ.My question to John has been explained, but I understand how it could appear scummy as well. I took a different approach to Sokr as I wanted to force him to make a connection to someone so that if he were to flip scum later, then I had one thing to look back to.
Overall, you don't appear to be very confident in your read on me since you state my questions could be taken as scummy, meaning you realize they could also be town as well. Also, you haven't mentioned me since this post, were you going to question me or...?
For the obvious reason that Bardull goes from vehemently calling Gorf scum to calling him dumb town in just a few posts. Bardull only backed off Gorf after Circus' #122, in which Circus started to see Gorf's argument about Bardull parroting points, making me think that Bardull realized the discussion was not going in his favor and so he dropped the discussion to protect himself from getting called scummy rather than because his read on Gorf actually changed.I think Gorf is just being ********.
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Vote: John
John needs to die. And RR. Can't tell if Gorf is scum, dumb, or town troll this game. Either way, he needs to be hit with an investigative. I implore it.
I don't disagree. What I don't see if how you differentiate between townJohn and scumJohn. You said something about him masking his play. Go into that for me. I haven't seen Johnscum ever.He was scummy in the same context that scummy is here. Do you disagree?
Go ask July how much fun I have reading her posts and get back to me.
Mmm. Nabe asked me why I wasn't voting Bardull, and that was my response. Gord's case wasn't convincing me, and I stated that it may have been possible Gord was scum trying to fake committment with his case on Bardull. It made sense from my pov. Gord in DK mafia said that he wasn't replying to Bardull before but at that time, Bardull was obviously scum and was flailing, rather he was panicking and didn't respond well enough. I felt he was composed and honest enough here yet Gord still insisted on 'not replying' to a whole wall post of Bardull's defense. This was what I didn't like. Even so I'm focused on Raz/Nabe. That's all that stand out to me for now.Ran drops this little note about Gord but never actually deso anything about it or even quote things he doesn't like from Gord after that. I expected after reading this post that Ran would give some insight into why Gord could be possibly scum in his own words instead of simply agreeing with Bardull's case wholesale.
Gord stating he wasn't going to reply to Bardull's defense. Basically I found the interaction to be TvS because Bardull's post didn't seem frantic like I have seen in DK Mafia.Ran, what about Gord don't you like and what do you think of Bardull dropping his Gord suspicion?
I quoted it because it made sense to me. It was about me/zen (super vegito) asking a reaction test question, which in turn made him give a stance on us but then later I said something that was kinda dumb but he reacted to it and gave a contradicting stance. I didn't see something like this.Also, why did you quote Bardull at the end of this post (#103), it doesn't seem like you had anything to comment on other than "hmmm".
What suspicion, and what direction?Nabe is leaning town for me, I agree with his questioning you and especially his questioning your thought process on Raziek. His first few posts didn't add much new content but where he's going now with his questions and his line o suspicion I like.
Would be nice for Raziek to actually respond to me and even give some suspicions himself.I also want to address more specifically his Raziek suspicion but I'm trying to wait until Raziek addresses those points first.
No. Read: Adventure Time Mafia. It was oblivious that he was trying to look like he was scumhunting like a badass, and here it looks like he's doing nothing/scumhunting REALLY flimsily. Is it anti town? Yes. Is it SCUMMY? No.Ranmaru said:I don't disagree. What I don't see if how you differentiate between townJohn and scumJohn. You said something about him masking his play. Go into that for me. I haven't seen Johnscum ever.
Ran said:Why exactly do you feel you have a legit scum read on me?
And plus I'm not really digging that mini chainsaw you pulled. And plus July.Ran said:Mmm. Nabe asked me why I wasn't voting Bardull, and that was my response. Gord's case wasn't convincing me, and I stated that it may have been possible Gord was scum trying to fake committment with his case on Bardull. It made sense from my pov. Gord in DK mafia said that he wasn't replying to Bardull before but at that time, Bardull was obviously scum and was flailing, rather he was panicking and didn't respond well enough. I felt he was composed and honest enough here yet Gord still insisted on 'not replying' to a whole wall post of Bardull's defense. This was what I didn't like. Even so I'm focused on Raz/Nabe. That's all that stand out to me for now.
This post convinced me you may have been scum, Gord.Honestly I liked his read on John because it actually seems pretty legit. The "John is being John" thing was pretty townie to me. But Gorf's play differs here from DKmafia where he was more thorough in his analysis and to the point with his read on me. Like, there was a degree of understanding and trying to relate to me. His read here is SIMILAR to the DKmafia read on me where I overreacted but didn't follow up on my overreaction.
Firstly, he's wrong to think that I'd make the same mistake twice as scum. Secondly, I didn't overreact to RR, what RR was doing earlier was massively different from what Super Vegito did in DKmafia.
Basically what happened in DKmafia was, Super Vegito asked Town how they felt about mass claiming in his first post of the game. It was a pretty obvious reaction test to phish out fakeness and the like. I overreacted in my response, it was kind of like a "WTF WHY WOULD YOU ASK THAT" kind of response which came off as pretty fake. I also didn't follow it up with an FoS or a vote which made me seem more suspicious. Then Gorf/Kuz pushed on that as well as the fact that I seemed to be asking a question earlier in the game that seemed to be irrelevant. It was similar to the vig question that I asked John. They concluded that what I did was "the Dgames #1 scum tell" or something and pushed on it. They were right that I was scum.
HOWEVER. RR's drunk posting and general stupidity earlier in the thread was completely detrimental to Town. I reacted to it the way I normally would've. I also dislike RR in general so that probably added to my reaction, but my reaction was in fact legitimate. My questions to July, you, Sokr, and John were also legitimate questions.
What Gorf is proposing is that I scum telled exactly like how I scum telled in DKmafia. What's odd is that he doesn't recognize the differentiation between the two reactions. Firstly, what RR and Super Vegito did are very different. Super Vegito asked a question that wasn't anti-town at all while RR was being very blatantly anti-town. We are operating on different rules, specifically referring to the posting rule, which means RR's anti-towniness was REALLY anti-town considering he burned up posts. I also haven't let go of my FoS on RR (yes, I've been waiting to see his response ever since he was being ******** with his drunk posting), so it's not as if I haven't followed up/completely discarded my distaste for RR's play. It's the opposite.
So here's the thing. Gorf is pushing for me really hard, like Rykerscum status hard, from when I played with Ryker in Gigabots. Actually, Gorf is posting exactly like how Ryker would post funnily enough. LOL. But what he doesn't recognize is the level of differentiation between my play in this game and my play in DKmafia. Which is odd. The way he's going about it is as if he's trying to squeeze me into the DKmafia scumdull equation and forcing a scum read on me here instead of actually analyzing the scenario and the context of it.
So right now yes, Gorf is leaning scum to me for pushing me on the premise that I "scum telled similar to DKMafia" when this game and DKmafia are completely different scenarios, for one thing. Two, his complete dismissal of MJ and moving onto me AND NOT RESPONDING TO MY CASE is also scummy because it gives me the impression that he is full of **** and doesn't know what he's taking about.
JFYI, July, if this is how he's substantiating his read, I don't intend to address his concerns from earlier as I don't feel it particularly relevant at this point.Nah, he's null to me. Raz is vibes.