Halloween Party Mafia ~ Over! Who drowned bobbing for apples? Who won Best Costume?

[Swiss]

I have class, will post when I get back.

Was this to let us now EtA of your posts, or show you were not lurking the thread?

 

[Swiss]

So another point against him, call it as you will but all these points together are lynchworthy to me. You can call the others points not scummy, to me they are when you look at the meat of the things themselves. Soup case is pushed on meta, the cop and don't cop me point is bad as well.

Ran, eh he's not town to me either, but I'm not gonna push him yet when I'm more confident in EBR being scum. Call it whatever you want saying you can see things we can't but we want him lynched based on his play.

I will push inactives if they are lurking and prod dodging, not for being inactive alone. The mod will fix those issues, lurking and prod dodging I will jump aboard and fix if I see it.

If Gheb were to flip scum, who would you focus and why? Same for town flip.

 

[Tandora]

Are you sure that's a wise request considering you want Ryker to survive?

Yes, because it is a huge pet peeve of mine. I've managed to move pass all hydras need to die phase, but I think it is hugely disrespectful to not post on your hydra and to not even try to correct it. I realize he's posting on his phone, but surely it cannot be that difficult to post from his hydra account.

 

[Tandora]

Also, Tan, will you vote Gheb with me?

*blink* I already am voting Gheb.

I noticed during my reread on EBR that early game he pushed for Ran really hard too. Makes me doubt my town read on EBR.

 

[Swiss]

Yes, because it is a huge pet peeve of mine. I've managed to move pass all hydras need to die phase, but I think it is hugely disrespectful to not post on your hydra and to not even try to correct it. I realize he's posting on his phone, but surely it cannot be that difficult to post from his hydra account.

So, you'd agree that from your perspective what you just asked for was anti-town but makes you feel better?

 

[Swiss]

*blink* I already am voting Gheb.

I noticed during my reread on EBR that early game he pushed for Ran really hard too. Makes me doubt my town read on EBR.

So, if Gheb flips scum, we can lynch EBR?

 

[Tandora]

No, I don't agree. One, I just admitted that I'm having doubts about my read. Two, I think it is anti-town to not post on your account. How would you feel if I made a hydra and randomly posted in it instead of my main account for this game? It makes it extremely difficult to do ISOs late game when it is essential to make proper connections between players.

 

[Tandora]

EBWOP: My 1327 was in response to Swiss' 1325 which I thought I had quoted.

 

[Swiss]

No, I don't agree. One, I just admitted that I'm having doubts about my read. Two, I think it is anti-town to not post on your account. How would you feel if I made a hydra and randomly posted in it instead of my main account for this game? It makes it extremely difficult to do ISOs late game when it is essential to make proper connections between players.

Clarify - was it a town tell or null, then? If you still thought Ryker was town would you still have requested punishment?

 

[Tandora]

So, if Gheb flips scum, we can lynch EBR?

I think with that flip, I would feel comfortable with that agreement. I was noting some similarity in their pushes with my reread.

Like how they both immediately started tunneling Ran when they joined the game (Gheb obviously later than Ryker). How they taunt other players for being incompetent and unable to lynch properly. Gheb's strange choice to go after a player with L-6 as a last minute lynch instead of the player with L-3.

I think July states it much more eloquently than I can:

Which points out many of the flaws in EBR's logic wrt their scum picks, ESPECIALLY Vult who they continued to to push well after this post with the same crappy logic I attacked here. Then there's the fact that all yesterDay they stated their scum reads but never ACTUALLY pushed them or scumhunting, and refused to do so even when they were inches away from death opting instead to push an inactive. Then take into consideration that toDay they still aren't doing anything to push any scum reads or scumhunt. Oh also take into account that they never responded to this above post despite me posting it multiple times, even upon their request once.

Swiss, I am willing to switch to an EBR lynch before Gheb for those stated reasons as well as to avoid a NL. I assume we don't want him at L-1 yet?

 

[Swiss]

Which lynch would you suggest?

 

[Tandora]

Clarify - was it a town tell or null, then? If you still thought Ryker was town would you still have requested punishment?

No matter how townie a hydra is to me, I will always tell them to post on their hydra and if it continues, I'll request some sort of action from the mod. I am certain I've done this before and if you insist, I'll go look for an example. It's not new behavior from me at all.

 

[Swiss]

No matter how townie a hydra is to me, I will always tell them to post on their hydra and if it continues, I'll request some sort of action from the mod. I am certain I've done this before and if you insist, I'll go look for an example. It's not new behavior from me at all.

Why on earth would I require proof? I merely wish to know if it was a null or town tell.

 

[Tandora]

Why on earth would I require proof? I merely wish to know if it was a null or town tell.

I guess I was jumping the gun for "Link or gtfo". I've been snappish all day and it's starting to bleed into the game.

To answer your question - Null.

I'll be back later after dinner and RPG.

 

[Swiss]

K.

Which lynch would you suggest?

You forgot to answer this.

Looking forward to hearing Gheb's full thoughts on this exchange.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

wait wait wait wait wait

i just realised that swiss has been calling me town this whole game for no reason whatsoever

im going to have to re-read stuff

Whatever happened to this?

Fake cases like yours and Swiss' make me seriously question the validity of the EBR wagon. Everybody on it is hardly worthy of any trust, I find the Asdioh wagon more credible.

Could you give me examples of people on the EBR wagon you don't trust specifically?

@Asdioh, July, and aussie. What do you think of Gheb's arguments about not voting for EBR?

@Swiss. With EBR being a major scum pick of yours, who will you look at toMorrow if he flips town? If he flips scum? What do you think of Asdioh?

 

[Asdioh]

Why haven't we lynched EBR yet? After that, I want to take a look at X1, because I have the strangest feeling that he's scum. He's obstinately sat on my wagon all day, by himse-

Asdioh [3]: X1-12, Ranmaru, SangfroidWarrior

Whoa when did this happen?

Swiss, convince one of these people to lynch EBR and the world will be a better place.
Are all 3 of them town?

 

[X1-12]

Have you even read the thread?

 

[Asdioh]

... a little bit.

More importantly, I got post 1337.

 

[X1-12]

How much have you read

 

[Asdioh]

Mostly just Day 3 stuff.
Sort of only had time to skim the past two pages.

I daresay I've read more than the inactives, will do more than the inactives, and am guaranteed to flip town, unlike the inactives :3
So how do you feel about lynching EBR? If Swiss hadn't already convinced me he was scum, then this post

Lee knocked out my power. Spending today playing video games with my sister. I expect to be lynched if I'm not playing tomorrow.

would pretty much be enough for me to want to lynch him. It seems I only see scum make posts like this.

 

[X1-12]

So despite saying you're gonna actually try this game to brush up on your scumhunting skills, and that you're gonna actually read. Yet you still haven't after being in for 5 days?

Further than this, you "get the feeling that I'm scum" and don't like the fact I'm sitting on your wagon? Explain how this is scummy? Do you feel I haven't given good reasoning? I've referenced such reasons during D3 which you should have read but seem to ignore them? Why is all your analysis so shallow? "Ryker is scum cause only scum say this"

idk Swiss, there was something about #104 that I didn't like.
" http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13197338&postcount=104 why is RR sword's second pick? Don't like that."

I hadn't felt like RR was scummy.

Wgat. DH flipped town, July's vote was RVS. Acrostic I assume was RVS too, and I don't remember anything from him.
Idk about EBR, but I'm not sure I like Joey's vote there."

That's about all I have from my notes from what I've read so far.

This entire post boils down to: "Why did Sword think RR was scummy. I didn't think RR was scummy. Some players voted Ran. IDK about them really"

Lets take another

[collapse=crappy notes dump]Shadow Moth: does the first thing I deem scummy in the game, on page 2. "Faking a restriction is dumb" and then votes swiss. When it's
blatantly obvious he's faking it. Too dumb to be scum though, right?

Ranmaru: tries to get the game moving, assuming he's town for now. Joey, Soup, AA, July, Sang all answer his questions immediately after,
what the hey? Oh wait, Joey just posted "bleck" which is a towntell, and Red Ruy refused to answer which I agree with. Oh wait Joey is
gonna actually answer the questions, must be scum. Then RR answered the questions too...
[/collapse]

"SMoth said something dumb in RVS which everyone already pointed out. Ran asked some stuff so call him town. Random **** about Joey. I agree with RR not answering but then he does and I read nothing from this because I'm just pointing out stuff that's happened"

 

[X1-12]

Literally everything you post is just pointing stuff out or incredibly shallow analysis. At no point during this game do you look like you've even tried to analyse the motivation behind a post

 

[July]

July, your "case" on EBR is long winded and hard to follow. Cut it down to three sentences explaining what makes him scum and show me quotes to back your claim up. Your points against EBR aren't actually big/numerous so don't pretend that you have an overwhelming amount of evidence when you could easily keep it short. Fake cases like yours and Swiss' make me seriously question the validity of the EBR wagon. Everybody on it is hardly worthy of any trust, I find the Asdioh wagon more credible.

Ran needs to die tho

Don't misconstrue me, I never pretended I have big/numerous posts, I presented what shows scum motivation and actions from Ryker. Idgaf how many posts there were, the points stand for themselves.

I could have easily kept it short?...You've played with me before, I tend to post long posts rather than short posts. And what's fake about my case?

I pointed out the flaws in his case on Ran, his weak meta-based case on Vult, the fact that he has misconstrued others posts to make them look scummy and that he has dodged addressing my points against him. D2 he listed his scum picks as Swiss and J and yet made no attempt to actually get them lynched, has not scumhunted and yesterDay focused solely on self-preservation.

Are you OK with the way he joined the wagon? No reasoning provided? Just popping in out of nowhere and then probably disappearing forever again?

You suspect a connection between me and EBR for very superficial reasons [because I don't join the wagon right away because no convincing reasoning was made] but let any vote on EBR just slide like that. You think there's nothing irritating about a wagon where 3 people don't provide reasoning [or in Ryu's case actively refuse to give any] and the other's two are plain unconvincing? There seems to be a double-standard ... when I point out why Ran is scum people apparently don't need to point out how I'm wrong and just claim he's town for no reason. But at the same time there is a consensus that EBR is scum based on ... nothing? And when I ask them for reasoning and remain unconvinced suddenly there's a connection between us? Horrible town play like that was a huge factor why scum could do as they please in FFIX mafia.

You have accused people of having no case on EBR, and then when people make a case or in many situations re-state their case you say they are not convincing. If Swiss and I are included in the 3 people who didn't provide reasoning that's a bunch of bull****, my stance on EBR has been articulated since yesterDay and reinforced through yesterDay and toDay.

Your Ran case isn't convincing, you are not looking at whether or not there is scum intention behind his actions, and really you've dedicated more time to just pushing inactives in general and trying to discredit the EBR wagon than you have to your Ran case, I don't believe you even find your Ran case convincing tbh.

I don't know why you call it a "policy lynch". The way Gova pounded his vote in was scummy period. Just because he's just as scummy in any other game doesn't mean that it's not a questionable move this time around.

You make it look as if somehow I should've known that the EBR lynch wouldn't work out without my vote. The main problem I have with all this "responsibility" talk and me "not defending myself" is that people seem to think that I'm obliged to use my vote in a manner that the rest of the town could agree with but that's far from true. If I don't believe that lynching EBR is the best course of action then nobody can hold it against me unless you think that I did this to specifically "protect" EBR from a lynch. How is that any worse than Smoth not budging on lynching Swiss or Acrostic, Gova or Traveling Cat not voting at all?
Don't just look at things from your own perspective - there are always two sides to a coin. You say I'm responsible for not getting EBR lynched. But in the same hand I could accuse everybody else to be responsible for not getting Acrostic lynched yesterDay.

Would you join a lynch that you consider largely random if you believe you had a realistic chance to get somebody else lynched - somebody you find more suspect?

Yes, I do think you were protecting EBR from a lynch, or even more specifically aiming for a no lynch to occur. It's worse than SMoth not budging because he ALWAYS said EBR was town, while you:

Ran was playing unlike himself because a lot of the stuff he posted looked like he was fishing for pro-town credit while as town his questions are just inane and annoying. Especially his RQS questionary and his "yeah I got us out of RVS" attitude shows that he has his own success in mind moreso than other stuff.

Swiss' said he's town because he's not been coasting when people were inactive but I call BS on that tbh.



I like that reasoning 1203981230981209 times more than Swiss'. Sworddancer is now officially better at this game than Swiss

Seriously though, a lot of that [if true] looks really untypical for Ryker and Kuz so I see where you're coming from. I just don't know whether it's actually true at all because I had no chance to read up on them and won't get a comprehensive read on them toDay. That means that I can't tell you more about how I feel about that lynch.
Also the deadline thing was my mistake because I didn't know what the 0001 was supposed to mean and I thought that it's until the last minute of 9/2 but since that's not actually the case I have even less time to read up toDay and will do so during the night phase then.

Swiss and J seem reliable atm and I don't know if I can trust the judgment of their voters just yet. I'm not gonna vote for either of them toDay. Ran and AA can die and I guess I'll help voting for EBR if the lynch is needed - we need like 9 / 16 votes anyway, right?

Vote EBR

Seemed perfectly fine with the lynch and voted EBR at one point, and stated that if the things said about him were true then that is really untypical of Kuz and Ryker. So you said that you were willing to lynch EBR, and that IF NEEDED you would vote him and yet you back out of that stance completely, voted an inactive on a wagon to no where, or more accurately a no lynch, and now don't want to take responsibility for backing out of the EBR wagon and helping bring about a no lynch yesterDay. You said you would vote if you needed to and you lied.

As for that last part of you quote:

1) You didn't seem to find the wagon "largely random" at the time of this post (#975)

2) There was no realistic chance to get someone else lynched, don't pull that **** it was EBR or a no lynch at that point yesterDay and you know it

3) Really? He was more suspect? Because this is where you vote him and your substantiation for it (which is a whole 5 posts after your EBR vote):

Unvote Vote Acrostic

Why haven't you guys been looking at Acrostic and Red Ryu as lynch targets for toDay yet?



No.

You have NO case on Acrostic other than he is inactive, how can you say you find him more suspect or that his wagon is less random than EBR's?

Was this to let us now EtA of your posts, or show you were not lurking the thread?

It was my way of locking myself into a commitment to post tonight instead of falling asleep right after class like I so desperately want to.

Whatever happened to this?



Could you give me examples of people on the EBR wagon you don't trust specifically?

@Asdioh, July, and aussie. What do you think of Gheb's arguments about not voting for EBR?

@Swiss. With EBR being a major scum pick of yours, who will you look at toMorrow if he flips town? If he flips scum? What do you think of Asdioh?

I think Gheb's argument for not voting EBR is a complete and utter lie, and that really he's just trying to prevent EBR's lynch. My scum read on Gheb has been greatly heightened as of his recent posts, as addressed above.

 

[asianaussie]

i read again, swiss seems towny, but i might've missed something

has gheb read up on yesterDay and the Day before?

 

[Tandora]

Which lynch would you suggest?

EBR

I'm not comfortable changing a wagon this close to deadline and I think we're hitting scum either way.

 

[Vult Redux]

In FF, he softly defended me against J (a confirmed scum) saying that J was insulting my intelligence. He's never done that as town.

Knowing that Ryker is comfortable to tell me that I'm wrong and he doesn't like my play shows he's comfortable speaking his mind instead of playing it safe or sucking up to me.

well, okay.

I don't like how his intro was "I"m not gonna read"

It makes me mad that you are taking this as a reason to vote him. It's not a scumtell. I skimmed. I skim when I replace. It's so SO boring to read things that I'm not involved in.

I would think that it's more likely that a scum-aligned person would pretend to have read in order to get town cred.

 

[Vult Redux]

So what? Should I accept it?

Having you assume I'm Town won't hurt Town performance (barring effects on nightkill choices maybe).

Also, why would Soup claim town to me outside of thread unless he believed myself to be town?

I asked for Soup's reads on players by PM when I entered the game and he never replied. Idk.

Is that a yes or a no, friend? My arm is getting tried - being held out for so long.

okay. I was feeling lonely.
Vote: EBR

I feel like a sucker but I like this wagon so it's okay.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, here's an AtE. I thought I had a hydra and I didn't. I've never been caught up in this game, so I really have no motivation to catch up, but it's not like I can replace out because that's a ***** move especially in this game.

Lynch Vult, Jdioh, Gova with a safety net of Swiss. Gheb, X1, and, above all else, Moth are town.

Never figured out the flavor. Haven't guessed today as I have no idea and feel like I'm looking in the opposite direction.

Ciao!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote: Asdioh as it's the second biggest wagon.

Change that safety net to Swiss/Tandora.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 3-6

8/15 to lynch.

EBR! [7]: Swiss, Asdioh, Red Ryu, Gova, July, asianaussie, Vult Redux
Asdioh [4]: X1-12, Ranmaru, SangfroidWarrior, EBR!
Swiss [1]: Shadow Moth
Gheb [1]: Tandora
Ranmaru [1]: Gheb


Not voting: Acrostic

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[collapse=Vote Log] Swiss > EBR! > Asdioh > EBR!
X1-12 > Asdioh
Gova > EBR!
Acrostic
Gheb > Swiss > Ranmaru
Red Ryu > EBR!
July > EBR! > EBR!
EBR! > Asdioh
Vult Redux > EBR!
Ranmaru > Asdioh
Asdioh > asianaussie > EBR!
asianaussie > EBR!
Shadow Moth > Swiss
SangfroidWarrior > Asdioh
Tandora > Gheb
[/collapse]

Shadow Moth has been prodded.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Soooooooo, all four of the haven't voted where it matters people should lynch Jdioh.

 

[Swiss]

Yeah, here's an AtE. I thought I had a hydra and I didn't. I've never been caught up in this game, so I really have no motivation to catch up, but it's not like I can replace out because that's a ***** move especially in this game.

Lynch Vult, Jdioh, Gova with a safety net of Swiss. Gheb, X1, and, above all else, Moth are town.

Never figured out the flavor. Haven't guessed today as I have no idea and feel like I'm looking in the opposite direction.

Ciao!

Assuming Ryker is scum;

Moth 100% town. At most one of Gheb & X1 is scum.

 

[Swiss]

You may hammer now, townies.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Is there a reason you want to now instead of waiting?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

Got no time to post cuz I'll be at a smashfest soon. Too many scummy playerslots and inactive players to get a clear idea who could be scum. I think a Ranmaru / Asdioh / EBR scumteam is a possibility but I think any inactive would fit in there as well.

Sang, I'll answer your questions later when I'm back.

 

[Swiss]

Unvote

Got no time to post cuz I'll be at a smashfest soon. Too many scummy playerslots and inactive players to get a clear idea who could be scum. I think a Ranmaru / Asdioh / EBR scumteam is a possibility but I think any inactive would fit in there as well.

Sang, I'll answer your questions later when I'm back.

Nah.

EBR, Gheb and Tan need to die.

That should be the game sorted.

I'mma go inactive until these are all dead. BTW Doc on me kk thx.

 

[X1-12]

Acrostic you better post content and vote before the end of the day otherwise I'll reveal the flavour purely so you can get vigged.

 

[Asdioh]

Is the flavor Halloween Party Mafia?
And why did you need my character claim if you already know the true flavor?

 

[ranmaru]

Asdioh, why are you complaining if you answered him without questioning at first?

X1, why is Asdioh a priority to you before EBR?

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I got school work I'll come back with more stuffz