Ha Ha Ha! The Wario Social

[ConeZ]

It's not a secret, but it's not going to be talked about on here. Though if you ask a dev member in person they'd probably tell you the details. The only thing I'll say on the matter is that everyone, exluding puff, has gotten some kind of adjustment, the extent of which I'm not sure.

Anyway 3.5 is going to help wario a lot, considering he'll actually be able to gimp a larger portion of the cast, especially tether characters. I personally love it because I won't have to work 3 times as hard as my opponent does, who's recovering, and risk getting edge guarded myself in the process. Also the stage picks are going to be a lot more interesting, since your thought process isn't going to be, "oh great, they can get back from everything and I can't, better pick a small stage".

That is good news, and is more or less what I was hoping to get from my question because I feel like Wario is supposed to be able to do that, but he hasn't been able to because of the general strength of recoveries in this game to this point.

 

[ConeZ]

On another note, I will be heading To Smash Carolina V this weekend.
Anyone else here attending? If so, it'd be pretty neat to meet up and play friendlies xD

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Unfortunately I have some personal matters to attend to this weekend so I can't go, wish I could though.

 

[PootisKonga]

Newer player here, Wario secondary, and I have a question...

Is it intentional that Wario can essentially have two midair jumps?

To clarify, if you shoulder bash off a ledge and jump during the bash down, you gain some height yet retain your normal double jump after the bash ends. It's not gamebreaking to my knowledge, and I doubt I'm the first to notice, but it can help me against people with obvious recoveries from slightly below and/or near the ledge and tends to confuse my opponents.

 

[0RLY]

@ PootisKonga
Yes, it's intentional. It's a very important part of his gameplay, and I'm honestly surprised it doesn't get used more. Landing SB is always good, and landing one off stage is almost a certain kill. Plus, there's next to nothing a recovering opponent can do to beat it. They can't shield in midair, and shield is the best answer to SB.

Sometimes I wish I could fastfall during it. So there could be some sort of mixup where you trade your SB jump for a fastfall. Just some more 50/50s that could make Wario more interesting.

 

[Strong Badam]

psure that's all me doing short hop > bite and drifting backwards, and in the second case that's boss moving slightly to the left

i could be wrong, just detailing my experience but...either way it doesn't really matter, just saying what it "feels" like, could def be wrong

Well since you use bite so much, your play is a pretty good way to get a round about idea of what the size, and where the grab box of bite is. Idk, I'm not going to hassle you, or spam the thread about it, so I'll leave it at that for now. Maybe the lead developer of wario could shed some light on the issue.

Wario's Bite does not have a grab box behind him, unless by "him" you mean "his mouth." He has one on the inner area of his mouth and another on his upper torso, neither are disjointed. Aerial version, of course, as the grounded version is pretty negligible.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Wario's Bite does not have a grab box behind him, unless by "him" you mean "his mouth." He has one on the inner area of his mouth and another on his upper torso, neither are disjointed. Aerial version, of course, as the grounded version is pretty negligible.

The grab boxes aren't placed directly behind him I know, I've seen it, but they're large enough in size and positioned in such a manner that they do cover an area behind him, which allows for reverse bites. I also recall seeing 3 grab boxes, not 2.

 

[Strong Badam]

The grab box does not protrude at all beyond his hurtbox.
There are two.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Then how is reverse bite possible

 

[Strong Badam]

Because you're drifting through them and your brain can't remember specifically the frame before you grab them.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

4:11 and 19:53 There is no drifting through them in these two examples, especially the second one, which he went straight down.

 

[Strong Badam]

Likely grabbing their feet. Doesn't really help to watch videos that aren't 60 FPS; we're missing out on the important pre-grab frame in just about any example.

Objective image of 3.02 Bite Grabboxes:

You don't have to drift "through" them, just barely into their hurtbox.

 

[Beorn]

Likely grabbing their feet. Doesn't really help to watch videos that aren't 60 FPS; we're missing out on the important pre-grab frame in just about any example.

Objective image of 3.02 Bite Grabboxes:

You don't have to drift "through" them, just barely into their hurtbox.

I'm just going to chime in here as someone who fights wario pretty often. I don't care if there are 2 or 3 hit bubbles for bite... Those grab bubbles are ****ing stupid. Having an aerial grab in the first place is a big deal for pressure, but wario also has crazy aerial mobility and the majority of his body is a slightly lingering grab area. This would be ridiculous most anyone let alone on fifty fifty Mix-ups the character.

The only grab bubble that should be there is the top one... in his mouth... This is a great example of fat that needs trimming.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Oh now I remember, there is actually a third gab box right in front of his mouth, right next to the top one, but it doesn't grab characters, so it doesn't matter. I guess it's one of those hit boxes that only effects specific things. Regardless, the way those 2 grab boxes are positioned and the way he leans when he bites makes reverse bite very deceptive visually. I'll concede to the fact that the size isn't the main cause, and it isn't what you'd consider "disjointed". However, this still doesn't change my opinion that with the combination of their position on his body and the area they cover, and with his aerial mobility, it makes reverse bite not only visually confusing, but also an incredibly strong option.

Again this isn't a personal attack on Coney, because I heard he was a pretty cool duder, but here is another example of it in better quailty 2:35. My point is basically that it shouldn't be as valid of an option to grab someone with your back with an aerial command grab, with an animation clearly suggesting visually he'll be grabbing in front of him, considering how massive his mouth gets.

 

[Turazrok]

I'm just going to chime in here as someone who fights wario pretty often. I don't care if there are 2 or 3 hit bubbles for bite... Those grab bubbles are ****ing stupid. Having an aerial grab in the first place is a big deal for pressure, but wario also has crazy aerial mobility and the majority of his body is a slightly lingering grab area. This would be ridiculous most anyone let alone on fifty fifty Mix-ups the character.

The only grab bubble that should be there is the top one... in his mouth... This is a great example of fat that needs trimming.

P:M main link... lol plz keep talking about ridiculous character mechanics :^)

 

[Beorn]

P:M main link... lol plz keep talking about ridiculous character mechanics :^)

I stopped playing link in 3.02 months and months ago because of the jank. I only ever even play 3.02 to show people how broken link is in it, if they didn't already know. I'm playing Sd remix until 3.5 is out publicly.

Links jank has nothing to do with warios jank.

 

[Player-3]

Instead of biting em with your teeth, chomp em with ur cheeks!

 

[Coney]

dude WHO CARES

 

[Mr.Pickle]

I care, that's exactly why I'm talking about it

 

[Strong Badam]

Instead of biting em with your teeth, chomp em with ur cheeks!

Wario's into some freaky stuff!

 

[Evilpancakes]

Let's talk about how freakin' effective wario's spin-move-thing is, this move has pretty much saved my like 900000 times.

 

[Turazrok]

That's my favorite one.

 

[Child Star]

I placed 3rd in a local monthly in Alabama, I am become eSports the destroyer of bracket.
On another note, risky off stage down airs: worth it if you have a full fart?

 

[Turazrok]

I think there are very few characters worth dairing offstage against. Ex. Marth, Roy, falcon, rob etc. Those you KNOW you can land.

 

[Child Star]

How about spacies?

 

[Turazrok]

Spacies I SB offstage if I think they'll phantasm and drop down nair/bair if I think they will firefox/bird.

If they're right under the ledge that's different.

 

[Evilpancakes]

I placed 3rd in a local monthly in Alabama, I am become eSports the destroyer of bracket.
On another note, risky off stage down airs: worth it if you have a full fart?

You live in alabama?

 

[Child Star]

You live in alabama?

Yes

 

[Evilpancakes]

Yes

Same

 

[Child Star]

Same

Where are you from?

 

[Evilpancakes]

Where are you from?

Northport

 

[Child Star]

Northport

Really? I'm in Tuscaloosa at the moment, you should come to the monthlies and bi weeklies. Youre pretty close to the university.

 

[Evilpancakes]

Really? I'm in Tuscaloosa at the moment, you should come to the monthlies and bi weeklies. Youre pretty close to the university.

Awesome, I'll try eventually

 

[Child Star]

Awesome, I'll try eventually

No time like the present!

 

[Strong Badam]

I placed 3rd in a local monthly in Alabama, I am become eSports the destroyer of bracket.
On another note, risky off stage down airs: worth it if you have a full fart?

I generally only dair after a footstool offstage or if Fox/Falco UpB very poorly.

 

[Child Star]

I generally only dair after a footstool offstage or if Fox/Falco UpB very poorly.

Thats the best part of playing at my skill level. Being bad has never looked so good!

 

[Mr.Pickle]

I don't go for offstage dair unless I just know lol. I also don't like blowing a fart for a young dair, mostly cause I lose my comeback factor, and risk getting edge guarded, which can actually happen to wario.

 

[Child Star]

Yes it can.

 

[0RLY]

If I had to weigh using dair to meteor while I have a fart, I will be more likely to use it if I have a partial fart. If I had a full fart, I'd just dropzone fastfall fart or dropzone fastfall nair/fair into fart. If I had no fart, I'd just edgehog.

 

[Agi]

Making a concerted effort to establish Wario as my real main here, after cutting out Yoshi and clinging to some aspects of Roy. I've only just started to work the Chomp into my game - I can't believe I thought this move was useless for so long. Blame Kirby's absolutely absurd version of it making it pale in comparison, I guess, was that intentional to make it reliably deal around 25%? Just, jeez.