Gurren Lagann Mafia - Game Over - Who Lost the Most?

[JTB]

I'm Rossiu Adai, town VT

Don't really care about the order of claiming from now on

 

[JTB]

I want everyone to keep in mind that statistically a 13 man game would have a 3 man scum team. If there is an indy, then to balance mafia would have a 2 man team with powers.

I disagree with this, Dissidia, DKR, and RE4 just off the top of my head had a 3 man scum team and a SK.

And as Soup pointed out, the rest of your post is just pure WIFOM. There's really no reason to bring it up at all.

 

[JTB]

Zen didn't try and kill you because how did Raziek die then?

And this is the basis on which Soup should be lynched if the three remaining claims can't explain this.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

For what it's worth, I can't be that angry at Soup's claim. Let's leave it be, because all the angst about it is worth it. It seems really, really self-serving but I'm much more interested in the VTs. Probably more worth our time than him, IMO.

Attenborough, VT.

unvote

What's Tandora at?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'd suggest we wait.

This is a little mod-speculation but it seems who the mafia kills appears first in the death scene (i.e. Boat and Raz) and the second kill appears then (i.e. LAK and Zen). So if Soupa is saying Zen targetted him and then Boat, it doesn't add up.

I don't mind a Tandy lynch but I'd like some scrutiny on Soupa.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Of course, Soup does deserve scrutiny. I never said you should just leave him alone. I just don't think he's a worthwhile lynch. I hate Tandora's immediate vote on Soup as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

Agreed on Tanny's immediate vote is balls ugly.

I need to Gova to claim then I think I can do something.

Da hell at everyone claiming VTs besides Soupa atm?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This is a little mod-speculation but it seems who the mafia kills appears first in the death scene (i.e. Boat and Raz) and the second kill appears then (i.e. LAK and Zen). So if Soupa is saying Zen targetted him and then Boat, it doesn't add up.

god you kids keep throwing me ****ing WIFOM, maybe there is an SK, maybe there isn't i don't know, i just didn't like the way it was going and people were assuming that the boat kill was an indy kill, there could be ad infinitum of trying to figure out explanations for things but we don't know, i don't know, you don't know, nobody knows, i hate to put it in that terms but because the WIFOM revolves around me, but it's pointless to explain the events that have happened, as there are too many variables.

 

[#HBC | J]

Boat kill was obv mafia kill, js.

Also Soupa, then tell me who you would like lynched toDay then instead of delving into more WIFOM?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

However, mulling it a bit more:

@Soup: Why didn't you claim PGO right away when the game started? Have you never seen one before?

 

[#HBC | J]

Tan, i don't think anyone saw boat dying.

We have a likely indy though.

Can I just say you were the first to speculate the possibility of an indie when two flips occurred?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My read concerning tandora has mostly been leaned on Joey's play, i haven't really looked as far as Tandora however, and to be honest, i don't remember tanny doing much, maybe stating a couple of reads, a post here or there, but nothing worth of merit, i also don't like the sudden vote from tanny but my mind keeps telling me the slot is town because of Joey, i know it's a naive way to think of things, but that's just my opinion on that.

i guess it's because i wasn't really here for D2, i remember re-reading the X1 wagon and remember zen fluffing it up with a bunch of **** and tanny doesn't being sort of background, hell, she was pretty background D2 afaik (noted i have skimmed D2).

Gova is gova.
Washed is town.
JTB is town.
AA is town.
Glyph slot (you) was on my Null list.

that's about it.

 

[#HBC | J]

.......you have everyone as town, my slot(inactive till now) as null (kindof a given), and Gova as Gova which doesn't imply any indication of alignment.

Really?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

He didn't mention Tanny, J. :v

Was your second paragraph a response to my question, Soup?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: Why didn't you claim PGO right away when the game started? Have you never seen one before?

I haven't, I wasn't looking to be a target, and i wasn't looking to draw attention, i just played like i would if i was VT, i just considered myself a pseudo-bomb and that it wouldn't be pro-town to claim, but now i (stupidly) realize that it would've made things alot easier to claim earlier on.

Can I just say you were the first to speculate the possibility of an indie when two flips occurred?

there still might be one, there's a bundle of WIFOM in this, i knew i killed boat but to be honest i thought that LAK is was a more likely indy kill, but that didn't make sense because the fact there was two flips, and if there was an indy then we would have 3

tl;dr i don't ****ing know

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

.......you have everyone as town, my slot(inactive till now) as null (kindof a given), and Gova as Gova which doesn't imply any indication of alignment.

Really?

AA is town for meta reasons
JTB is town for doing legitimate this day phase (my only problem was inactivity and not answering me)
Gova be still gova.
WL feels town from his play.
Glyph doesn't do enough to give a good read so i read it as null and i'm not sure about your motives yet.

 

[#HBC | J]

He didn't mention Tanny, J. :v

His first paragraph says he is leaning town on Tanny's slot based on Joey's play.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no, i said i'm leaning on Joey play for my read concerning tanny, i had joey as leaning town, but recent events and what Tanny has done have brambled up my thoughts about that slot, but i see where people are worried about tanny though

 

[#HBC | J]

AA is town for meta reasons

BS reasoning.

JTB is town for doing legitimate this day phase (my only problem was inactivity and not answering me)

I'm gonna have to check up on this D2.

Gova be still gova.

No but seriously, a real read would be superb.

WL feels town from his play.

Aight, I'll take this one.

Glyph doesn't do enough to give a good read so i read it as null and i'm not sure about your motives yet.

Don't put a snake in my boot w.r.t. the last setence.

 

[#HBC | J]

no, i said i'm leaning on Joey play for my read concerning tanny, i had joey as leaning town, but recent events and what Tanny has done have brambled up my thoughts about that slot, but i see where people are worried about tanny though

So basically null?

That's incredibly helpful.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

sorry hun, i don't incriminate unless i feel convicted on it, you should know me by now.

 

[#HBC | J]

I agree with you 100%, Soup. (Strange to say. =3) Boat was confirmed town with T-block's flip and LAK had been very towny. I cannot imagine a town vig going for either.

Othering than being brownie townies, were Boat or LAK specifically suspicous of any particular player? Who would profit from silencing them? Who did our dead friends like as town? Defiinitely things I'm gonna be on a look out for my ISOs.

Tanny Tanny Tanny Tanny.....

You are a much better player then this and your last paragraph just feels so fake/off.

 

[#HBC | J]

sorry hun, i don't incriminate unless i feel convicted on it, you should know me by now.

It's day effing 3 and you just copping out to "Oh it's just me being me guys, don't worry." makes me wanna lynch you so bad.

You should have at least one measly scum-read by now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna convict someone if i don't feel strong about it, i know it's not 'helpful' to not have any scum-reads, but in situations like these, it's better to feel right about something then to just base it off a feeling.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm done dealing with you till I finish my re-read. Anymore talking and I may just throw my vote on you this very second and call it a day.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

words words words words words

you said you wanted me to do something and now i am, be more hypocritical

 

[#HBC | J]

You aren't giving me anything Soupa at all. I ask you for scum-reads, you tell me you have none. I ask you why, you say "Meh it's just me being me." You ask to claim, I say you can claim. You claim WIFOMy ugly claim, we look at the possibilities.

What do you want Soupa cuz I'm doing my end of the job here? Why don't you actually scum-hunt? I've yet to see that from you from pg. 1-18 atm.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You haven't seen me scumhunt?

oh ***** please, now you're just tagging on things for the dumbest ****ing reasons, i go by PoE, and yes, i do town-hunt more then i scum-hunt, but it works for me, i don't care that my play isn't the general way to play, but i get things done, however, i am serverely dissapointed in D2 and really after that everyone dropped for me and on top of that i like to base my reads on D1 play, i know this is all self-meta hurr durr **** but i don't care

 

[#HBC | J]

Soupa, prove me wrong. Show me where you have scum-hunted and not sat on your *** all game and just answered others questions when prompted? You cannot hide behind your damn self-meta every game and whine that you town-hunt and not scum-hunt because it's a load of bull.

I want scum-reads now.

JTB, you're lucky i'm not at home so i cant yell at you

All bark and no bite.

These are hilariously funny especially considering the convo now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're not getting any until i feel i can give them

DEAL
WITH
IT

 

[#HBC | J]

You're not getting any until i feel i can give them

DEAL
WITH
IT

Herr Fraulein, grow up.

I don't have to deal with it actually and I will keep asking you till you give me what I want.

It's Day 3, there is about 25 pages of 40ppp, there are 6 flips (5 town and 1 scum), you should have scum-reads. Spill.

 

[Gova]

Man, J you should totally claim before me because lol Glyph and my role shouldn't interfere with yours.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i got Nulls and Towns.

you being Null
Gova being Null
Tanny being Null

Tanny is the likely pick today, Gova isn't a pick at all, and i would like to have your head on a platter because you always get in these bat**** arguements with me and i'm at your throat afterwards

 

[#HBC | J]

Aight I can go, almost done D2.

Still laughing at Zenny's case and him actually lynching X1. Though X1's reaction was ">_>

 

[Gova]

X1, got lynched because no one was there to switch to Zen lol.

 

[#HBC | J]

VOTE X1

Ew, gross, ugly, why? It was the VERY next post after Zen's case on X1-12. (chick is very cool regardless)

X1, got lynched because no one was there to switch to Zen lol.

Guess I haven't gotten to that part yet lol.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I haven't, I wasn't looking to be a target, and i wasn't looking to draw attention, i just played like i would if i was VT, i just considered myself a pseudo-bomb and that it wouldn't be pro-town to claim, but now i (stupidly) realize that it would've made things alot easier to claim earlier on.

Fair enough.

 

[#HBC | J]

@ zen, I meant that you could be indy lol, but I'll take that point.

vote: X1
I'm fine with trusting this meta until I find a more suitable place.

@X1, I don't recall you contributing much during D1 either, though you might've posted a bunch near the end (when I was busy). I'll read back eventually, but I'm not sure I'll find much. So I know, what is your opinion on inactivity as a scumtell?

Are you agreeing with his ability to read you? I want an opinion from you on this.

Ew, you are almost as equal to Tanny with this vote and also your push on X1 to make sure he was lynched over Zen by deadline.

unvote

Glyph back to null. I'm not jumping on the X1 bandwagon just because Zen says he is the best at reading him, I want more evidence than that.

AA, give me some reads.

I like you lots.

Done D2, let's see what I missed at the beginning of D3 and then I should be good to go.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Votecount 3.4 [4/7]

Soupamario [1] - Tandora
J [0]
asianaussie [1] - JTB
Gova [0]
JTB [0]
WashedLaundry [0]
Tandora [1] - asianaussie

Not Voting [4] - Gova, Soup, J, WL

Deadline has been set to August 10th, 11:59 PM EST

 

[#HBC | J]

Done yay. Took a bit longer then I said I would and I apologize for that. It's been a while since I replaced into a game. Alright so atm I am looking at Tanny as my strongest scum-read, there is so much to go off her slot as bandwagony and just overall fake tone. Her push on Gova toDay to try and connect him to Zen is poor for the eyes and I think I could actually come up with a stronger connection case tying her to Zen.

AA would be my next scum pick. Throughout the game he hasn't done anything really and when he does do stuff, it isn't anything like relevant. I actually forgot he was in this game until I started reading D2 which is frightening. He was also a contributor to the X1scum wagon and also has been doing light fluffy jabs at Tanny all game but nothing with actual substance. Makes me believe these two are scum-buddies soft distancing from each other.

Soupamario is definetely my final scum-pick because he has done absolutely nothing all game. I think I have even done more then him in my catch-up(not to be rude but js.). He pushed JTB early on but had nothing against him, when asked to show a case he backs down and says he is liking JTB more. Soupa has had a literal amount of like no scum-hunting and just answering questions. D2 he was gone but apparantly he was V/LA so that's null. Does not excuse him for his D1 play at all. Also as far as claims go, Soupa is the most likely indie.

JTB/WL/Gova are strong town reads of mine and I would love to keep them around forever.