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Gurren Lagann Mafia - Game Over - Who Lost the Most?

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Its not WIFOM. I clearly state in my posts that even though I'm ****ing obviously town I still want to be hammered there is no way I could be faking that as scum in order to appear town, because I'd still die


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...how would you not still die? You're trying to save yourself at this very moment...

If you aren't then why are you still arguing?

That's why it's WIFOM.
 

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If I ask you to hammer me, regardless of what you think my alignment it, what do I gain from doing this as scum?????? I'D BE DEAD SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. I WANT TO BE HAMMERED REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK OF ME
 

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That's just it. You are saying right here that asking for yourself to be hammerd makes you town. Why would someone hammer town? I'd never lynch someone I thought was town even if they were telling me to. By calling us to hammer you, you're making a last attempt to stay alive. Again if you weren't, why would you still be arguing against it?
 

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I don't want to no lynch. My own lynch is better than No Lynch. You know this, everyone knows this. This is why I want to be hammered. Anyone who is town that sees this will know that hammering me is the best choice of action. In a hypothetical where I'm scum, how would reminding people of that help me?
 

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That and there aren't any characters in TTGL that would make flavor sense as being a warlock.
 

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They have to guess who gets lynched correctly a certain amount of times to win.
 

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X1, why don't you name your character? "Some side character" is at best a lazy claim.
Because I'm lazy and don't know off the top of my head. Did I think claiming character would actually achieve anything? No. Do I think this is a terrible attempt at further justifying your position on my wagon so you don't look like a random wagon hopper? Yes
 

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Votecount 2.4 - Final Votecount [6/10]

Soupamario [0]
Glyph [0]
Zen [2] - WL, X1
asianaussie [0]
Gova [0]
JTB [1] - Soup
WashedLaundry [0]
Raziek [0]
X1-12 [6] - Zen, Tanny, aa, Raziek, x1, Gova
Tandora [0]

Not Voting [2] - Glyph, JTB

It is Twilight until I can post the flip!
 

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After a long Day's travel the team sat down to eat their well deserved meal. However, to the despair of many, one important pigmole was mixed in with the rest and was heartily devoured without notice. It was only until after everyone had finished that someone cried out "where's Boota?!"



X1 [Boota, Town Vanilla] has been eaten!

N2 Begins. Send in all your actions by July 31st, 11:59 PM EST!
 

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D3 Begins!

As Team Dai-Gurren woke from their second Night of slumber they noticed that people were missing from the group. They knew that someone had come during the Night and had murdered their comrades.

As the team began trying to figure out who was missing, they heard a scream coming from a nearby area. A mangled body was lying face down in the mud a few hundred feet from the camp. He had obviously been trying to run from something. But from what? Upon inspection, the body was identified as...



Raziek [Dayakka, Town Vanilla] Has Been Murdered!
However that was not the only body that was found. Laying just a few yards beyond Dayakka was another body. He was mangled in the same sort of fashion yet there was something distinctly different about him. Even after inspecting the body, no one from camp could identify him. No one seemed to know he was. He was certainly not a member of the Dai-Gurren brigade, thats for sure. After giving Dayakka a proper burial they pondered what to do with this mysterious corpse.

After some minimal discussion they pretty much agreed to just forget about the whole thing. They had already wasted precious daylight and they knew the dead man could tell no tales so it was useless to worry over this happenstance.



Zen [Lord Genome, Mafia Doc Switch]
Has Had His Body Abandoned by the Group!
 

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D3 begins!

Votecount 3.0 [4/7]

Soupamario [0]
Glyph [0]
asianaussie [0]
Gova [0]
JTB [0]
WashedLaundry [0]
Tandora [0]

Not Voting [7] - JTB, Gova, Soup, Glyph, aa, WL, Tandora

Deadline has been set to August 10th, 11:59 PM EST
 

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JTB, Tan, tell me about WL, specifically: what do you think about him and Zen.

whole bunch of general distrust between the two but no action taken - sure, WL voted Zen but that was when nobody was on his wagon and the X1 wagon was starting up
 

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SK/Vig should have killed someone other than Zen imo :c We could have gotten his lynch easily today after seeing that X1 flipped town.
 

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What are you talking about? I very much wanted Zen dead. I just couldn't fight the X1 wagon because enough people were inactive and the rest were blindly getting lead by him or, if I'm right, scum.
 

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I'll re-read with Zens flip in mind, but I don't think WL v Zen was a SvS if that's what you were getting at AA.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Catching up in FF9 at the moment. Going to reread thread and extensively look into Tandora and JTB. Scum could reside in inactives.
 

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SK/Vig should have killed someone other than Zen imo :c We could have gotten his lynch easily today after seeing that X1 flipped town.
VOTE GOVA

I don't like this statement at all. And as I've previously stated, I feel it was likely Zen and Gova were same faction. After Zen flipping scum, it becomes even more likely.
 

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That's pretty lame actually considering your '"connection" thing between me and Zen doesn't have any merit imo. There's so much scum benefit by setting us up like that. Keeping in mind that the doctor had been killed n1, zen's role was useless and bussing material, not hard to see why AA might think WL was bussing Zen yesterday if that is indeed what he is getting at. I find that unlikely at this current time though. So, say zen is lynched, or in this case killed, it sets up an implication on me, which is what I'm seeing right now or if I get lynched it implies that Zen is town which was the logic I was seeing in that one post Tandora made. Both scenario's benefit scum. Anyways, if you really think I'm scum back it up with something because connection cases aren't going anywhere.

@WL, Tan, why don't you like that statement? If I was the SK/Vig that's what I would have done. It could have gotten rid of an in-active and it would have made for an easy day phase with a scum lynch. The only reason I can think of is that you guys think I'm scum saying that the sk/vig shouldn't have targeted zen which is pretty lol worthy.
 

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That's incredibly defensive for an off-the-cuff statement.

Second paragraph is WIFOM, and not even good WIFOM. "If I were x, I'd do y" arguments are unprovable. I dislike it because of that assurance that Zen was getting lynched today.
 

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I thought it was fairly obvious that Zen was going to be lynched toDay if X1 flipped town. If Zen had been alive today I would have imagined you would continue to push for his lynch would you not? Not only that but then everyone look back and realize that Zen pushed X1 off of nothing. I guess it's just me then who thought that then.

Also, I would think you know that connection cases are dumb based on ongoing games and whatnot.
 

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Obviously I would. But the absolute lack of agreement yesterday other than the guy he lynched makes me question a 100% assurance that he would be today's play. No one should ever walk into a day with nothing short of a cop guilty expecting for one specific person to get lynched.

Of course I know that they're ****ty based on one flip and nothing else. But that response was still loaded with unneeded defense. She hadn't even brought about the basis of her case yet. You really flipped out over a simple case when no one else was voting.
 

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@WL, Tan, why don't you like that statement? If I was the SK/Vig that's what I would have done. It could have gotten rid of an in-active and it would have made for an easy day phase with a scum lynch. The only reason I can think of is that you guys think I'm scum saying that the sk/vig shouldn't have targeted zen which is pretty lol worthy.
Wow, this is the most Gova has said all game. o.o

I think my problem with your statement is why are you mad the indy killed scum? Personally as town I'm joyous we are down an anti-town role. I've tried to guess why factions pick who they killed and why, but I cannot imagine being MAD or DISAPPOINTED about as your tone is.

With a confirmed scum flip, we can now start making connections of Zen's play to find his partner. Also, we can see if the indy had reason to feel threatened by Zen.

Seriously, I feel we have a lot of information to work with, but you're disappointed that we don't spend a whole day lynching someone who died as scum? It's not right.
 

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I went back to do an ISO on both Zen and Gova for concrete examples.

Soup, Glyph, JTB, Raz when your on don't forget to state whether you will vote X1 or not. I know Laundry wont regardless of alignment.
It's weird for Zen to have named these guys, but not include Gova. As far as I can tell, Gova had not voted at that point and had not made a strong statement in regards to X1. Why was he excluded from the list? The other players who are not named in the quoted post had been vocal or voted at that time.

Let's lynch X1.

Also Laundry is second scum.
Zen pushes for X1 the whole of D2 and whenever he gets a chance he suggests that WL is scum. As mafia, Zen know that X1 isn't part of the mafia faction, so what does he gain by constantly putting suspicion on WL?

We know at this point that we believe there is an independent SK based on the N1 kill. Based the heads up of WL and Zen with X1's VT flip, I conclude that WL and Zen are not same faction. I am inclined to believe WL is town instead of indy.



Gova if you get online you should hammer. I don't trust Laundry to do so.
Note on this post Zen specifically calls out Gova for the hammer. Since it is definitely an 11th hour hammer, no one is going to fault Gova regardless of X1's flip. A NL hurts the game more than a mislynch especially after D2's terrible activity.

Still I have to ask "Is Zen using Gova as a puppet or is he giving Gova some town cred?" Based on the previous post I noted, I'm leaning on the second as being most likely.

Immidiately after I get into the game and call X1 out on being scum, he started to mention Laundry. Before this he hadn't had any sort of scum read on him. But today all the sudden he starts to mention him and eventually calls him scum. When X1 was asking all those questions earlier (695) he didn't bring attention to laundry, but immidiately after my 710 calling him out, he starts to call out Laundry out of no where in 713. That's when it first caught my attention that they are probably buddies and X1 wanted to set up some distance if I gone through with lynching him. Just now in X1's 789 he puts laundry down as scum despite never having him as scum before. The first time he even mentions a glance of suspicion of Laundry is in his 741, and even there it's not a scum stance. So why then would he suddenly put Laundry as scum during this interval? Bus is what I think.
I included this post because it once again emphasizes Zen's push for WL. Zen probably had no reason to believe he would nightkilled, so he's firmly establishing who he thinks is scum so he'll have a target for D3.

Now Gova's posts. The following post is Gova's reads after a couple of "I'm catching up" posts...just like Zen.
K, I'm all caught up now. I'll take Boat, LAK, and Raziek as town all for the shenanigins that was Ryker's gambit. I'd be ok with a JTB and X1 lynch, I like the points WL brings up agianst X1 and I can agree to the fact that JTB's play is a little off color, I also don't like the subtle buddying imo that he did with Ryker near the beginining. Can't say much in the way of Soup v Wash other than that I feel WL is making out Soup's play to be worse than it actually is. Town hunting isn't that bad but if Soup had continued to do it I guess it would be more of a problem. T-Blocks case against Joey has a lot of legit points but I can't tell if that is just because Joey is being too sporadic to remember his own stances and as a result keeps contradicting himself. I think that's everything.
Note he's comfortable naming some town reads and some null reads, but no strong anti-town reads. Note the bolded is who Gova is okay with lynching.

Still null because I'm not sure if Joey was just being sporadic and contradicting himself as town or if he's actually scum, I might have a better idea though once I read where X1 said Joey forgot about DKR because that's definitely hard to beleive. I don't think he'd forget a game like that.

The other inactives are cramping my style.

Well, these conversations came after your question but if you'll accept it I think WL is town now. Oh and I guess I want to know why JTB thinks that one statement that he quoted by Tandora is a scum slip.
More wishy washy thoughts.

What's there to talk about regarding Soup? I'm pretty sure he's town as he been playing the same as he has been every game he's been town in. That's not to say that he couldn't play the same way as scum where all he does is give town reads but I think it would be quite easy to catch him in contradicting stances when he tries to push a lynch or if he lets one go through when he has someone listed as a town read.

I'm not sure what JTB's attack at Glyph is other than inactivity and that fishing. I don't agree with the fishing being scummy in this case as the miller fake claim was controversial enough to warrent a few questions as to why T-Block definitely knew that Boat was town.



I don't give much credit to meta. I do remember Zen pushing you in SH but I'm not sure what would have happened as you were modkilled because you broke a restriction and as such I can't really compare the push here. If his push is backed up with stuff I will consider it.

Did you answer WL's question on why it's ok for JTB to push inactives but not Tan?
Another Gova post where he's not taking any stances but simply citing his thoughts. But mostly importantly look at the part I bolded. Essentially he's saying scum can play by giving lots of town reads by contradictions can be used to lynch someone listed as town. Kinda similar to Gova's been doing, right?

@WL, X1 would tunnel regardless of alignment. If he thinks someone is scum he'll tunnel as town. If he can construe something as scummy he'll tunnel as scum.
This post sort of answers WL's question of "Does X1 tunnel as town?", but really it looks helpful but isn't.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Alright, before i need to cool my head, can we have a massclaim going on? or does everyone think it's too early for that?
 

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Note on this post Zen specifically calls out Gova for the hammer. Since it is definitely an 11th hour hammer, no one is going to fault Gova regardless of X1's flip. A NL hurts the game more than a mislynch especially after D2's terrible activity.

Still I have to ask "Is Zen using Gova as a puppet or is he giving Gova some town cred?" Based on the previous post I noted, I'm leaning on the second as being most likely.
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Ok, how do I even get town cred from hammering X1/avoiding a no lynch? It's a null tell and I'm pretty sure everyone knows that.

Now Gova's posts. The following post is Gova's reads after a couple of "I'm catching up" posts...just like Zen.


Note he's comfortable naming some town reads and some null reads, but no strong anti-town reads. Note the bolded is who Gova is okay with lynching.

The difference? My catch up posts had stances and content. My anti-town reads are who I'm okay with lynching so why are you trying to say I had none?


More wishy washy thoughts.
I actually forgot about that post, which had an important question.

@JTB, where do you think Tandora scumslipped? I'm pretty sure you said that she did somewhere.

Another Gova post where he's not taking any stances but simply citing his thoughts. But mostly importantly look at the part I bolded. Essentially he's saying scum can play by giving lots of town reads by contradictions can be used to lynch someone listed as town. Kinda similar to Gova's been doing, right?
Are you kidding me? I clearly just took a Soup town stance in that post because X1 asked me about him. Anyways, the bolded is not similar to how I've been playing, and was used to describe how I think Soup would play as scum.

This post sort of answers WL's question of "Does X1 tunnel as town?", but really it looks helpful but isn't.
Actually, it completely answers his question. "Regardless of alignment" means he would tunnel as town or as scum. I answered his question and then gave him more.
 

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It's weird for Zen to have named these guys, but not include Gova. As far as I can tell, Gova had not voted at that point and had not made a strong statement in regards to X1. Why was he excluded from the list? The other players who are not named in the quoted post had been vocal or voted at that time.
Actually, I'm pretty sure those are the names of the inactives and that's why he mentioned them. Everyone else was posting at that time.
 
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