Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[tarmacker]

Kog is dumb. Morg is dumb. SK is playing really well.

 

[Tom]

Win some; lose some. Then some dim sum.

hell yea dim sum!!!

 

[PhantomX]

It's really just Kog'Maw. Pretty much every time a team gets him they win.

 

[jpak]

clg, solomid, and dignitas all lost with kog

 

[Z'zgashi]

Keywords were pretty much. He didnt say every team 100% always.

 

[Zolga Owns]

Can jpak/dphat/mogwai/Shaya/Dan/zac explain to me why teams don't run unorthodox bot lane comps to counter ad carry/support bot lane?

 

[Mogwai]

Can jpak/dphat/mogwai/Shaya/Dan/zac explain to me why teams don't run unorthodox bot lane comps to counter ad carry/support bot lane?

because no one's really figured out how to yet. All the double burst style setups are pretty much all-ins. If you don't get early kills, you lose the lane, hard. Whereas, even if you get early kills, the carry/support can work their way back into the game. And if everything just breaks even, a fully famed carry and 0 farm support is always going to outperform any other split in any other lane configuration in the midgame.

EDIT: for instance, TSM tried to run 1v2 Yorrick with like, top/roam Alistar, but they got ruined for it.

 

[DallasPhat]

Unorthodox characters tend to fall off late game while stereotypical AD carries tend to get stronger over time, also if bot lane find themselves in such a situation they can just push to the tower and farm instead of going for unnecessary harassment.

LUL nvm mogwai beat me to it.

 

[JTB]

Aren't brand/taric or karth/soraka really good bot lanes though?

Assuming ad carry can solo another lane though

 

[Mogwai]

Aren't brand/taric or karth/soraka really good bot lanes though?

Assuming ad carry can solo another lane though

they can still get completely whomped if they ever fall behind.

and they also have the baggage of potentially having to dragon fight with your AP carry < level 6 when the opposing AP carry is level 6.

 

[DanGR]

Just play my first ranked this season not as cho. Currently 5-1.

Played brand because someone picked singed, was 15-1-15 by 30 minutes and we lost because my team refused to stay together and got picked off not matter how many times I begged for a teamfight to happen :/. I ganked hardcore made all our lanes win and just..nothing.

I need to find someone to duo with lol.

Nah, you don't need a duo-queue partner if you **** that hard every game. You'll eventually rise.


Like I started off the season with a couple wins, then got trolled down to 1200. Then stomped cuz everyone was bad there lol, and rose a lot.

 

[DMG]

The problem is that even if you find a lane to beat that style, you're gonna have notable disadvantages elsewhere. If you don't send a carry bot, where are they gonna go? Top lane would be a nightmare vs current top choices. Mid you could probably do ok, but vs most casters you're gonna be scared ****less once they hit 6ish. And if you do find a replacement spot, where is the other character gonna go? You wanna throw Annie bot? Like it's not as simple as "I can counter this lane with xy lineup bot" if doing that will likely put you at a disadvantage EVEN if you do well.

AD carry bot is safe. Ok sure you have to deal with two people, but you have this lovely babysitter to heal you or make you feel all warm inside. No scary bruisers to deal with 1 v 1, just farm til you level and get items to contribute more to the team. Because it is safe, and because other lanes have heavily shifted away from Ranged Carry friendly MU's (see top lane), it's favorable to keep the carry bot with a steady safe supply of farm while someone watches his *** 24/7 and let other lanes/roles do their thing.

 

[Hylian]

Nah, you don't need a duo-queue partner if you **** that hard every game. You'll eventually rise.


Like I started off the season with a couple wins, then got trolled down to 1200. Then stomped cuz everyone was bad there lol, and rose a lot.

Yeah that makes sense because all of my games have been like that and im 5-2. Last season it seemed like i always did the best but lost wayyyy more, cant really pinpoint why lol.

 

[DanGR]

SK running jungle blitzzzzz.

holy hell

 

[Omni]

if akali is a good pic for solo top why does that mean she's a good pick for mid and vice versa?

if no why not?

 

[MacD]

SK running jungle blitzzzzz.

holy hell

WHY DON'T GET WE TO WATCH THAT GAME

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

so sad now

 

[DanGR]

inorite.

riot, wat?

 

[JTB]

if akali is a good pic for solo top why does that mean she's a good pick for mid and vice versa?

if no why not?

I would think she is a better pick for mid since she can dominate most ap casters at 6 imo

 

[MacD]

do they record every game?

i'd totally go watch that one if it gets up

 

[@TKbreezy]

anybody seen that irelia skin ingame yet?

I don't wanna buy it if it looks just like nightblade with red hair

 

[PhantomX]

They just trolling because they already made it through to bracket round or what?

 

[tarmacker]

I wanna see jungle Blitz....

 

[Deleted member]

s2j how do yo do against ranged ap with cho, specifically kennen

kennen is pretty easy, granted solo Q chumps that i've played were pretty bad

chogaths scream is free as hell, use creeps to **** block q's, ideally don't get hit by auto attack mark shuriken but 90% of kennens won't get a free stun from it

if they are freaking bad, rupture them when they go to last hit

rupturing from brush also increases ur chances to hit with a rupture by like 30% or when someone dies, people don't pay attention

other aps i'm not honestly afraid of, if they are kinda dangerous you start boots so you can dodge skill shots really easily

im scared of akali tho

 

[jpak]

Can jpak/dphat/mogwai/Shaya/Dan/zac explain to me why teams don't run unorthodox bot lane comps to counter ad carry/support bot lane?

Teams don't want to risk it in a tournament environment even though they a different duo lane that may beat it. They want to go with what they practice regularly.

 

[tarmacker]

Europe too strong.

 

[bassem6]

dat nasus!

 

[MacD]

wtf, i wanna see that game, SK won with their jungle blitz

so sad

 

[I ate a pear]

Maoki/brand or maoki/(burst ap caster) would be a really strong bot lane.
Leona to a lesser extent, but maoki just does everything better than her and then some.

Also cait>kog. Idk why eu teams dont get this. Like doublelift said, cait destroys every stage of the game, and kogmaw just destroys late.

And is jax really that weak now? I feel like his late game isnt as good as people say. He seems to suffer the same fate as other melee casters, and he just cant output enough damage. Especially since hes so single target focused, if the other team has more than one damage threat, i feel like jax is just going to die.

 

[Wave⁂]

Leona to a lesser extent, but maoki just does everything better than her and then some.

Even as a Mao main, I have to disagree. Leona's ult is pretty beastly, and I'd say that chaining stuns is more effective than a snare and a slow. It's apples and oranges.

 

[PhantomX]

Maokai gets sustain, zone control and poke over her as well.

 

[Tom]

Incognito Blitzcrank, Frankenstein Annie, Ghost Nocturne, Witch Nidalee, and Surprise Party Fiddlesticks

 

[i ate another pear...]

Maokai gets sustain, zone control and poke over her as well.

Yeah, this was what I was talking about when I said and then some lol..
Saplings can just control space. He can do damage without committing to anything, which leona cant do.

His sustain is kind of meh, cause it relies on his stupid high mana costs. im not sure about leonas mana costs, but im guessing they arent as bad as his.

And by the time leona even gets her ult, maoki has already probably ***** her and the carry, and leona cant do anything about it. Except initiate something very early when creeps still do a lot of relative damage.

Also maoki better lategame imo. Root that follows flash means your carry has 2 seconds to just **** face, while their carry cant, or while their diver cant touch her.

 

[Wave⁂]

lol ban dodging

 

[PhantomX]

Do they have any images up, Tom?

 

[Turazrok]

LoL needs a tiny champ. **** you support carry lanes lol. Wouldn't be the same without blink dagger

 

[T.J.]

Hellll yeah Galio #1

 

[jpak]

ok here lets settle this
maokai and leona are both good champs that play different roles.
leona is probably a better version of alistar

 

[Wave⁂]

I can agree that Leona is more like Alistar, but better? Isn't Alistar like the best support in the game?

 

[JTB]

lol leona is not better than alistar

 

[jpak]

mmmhhmmmm youll see him soon ^^