Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[DanGR]

I bet Singed feels OP in soloqueue cuz it's hard to force him away from farming in uncoordinated play. He's just too much of a beast late game.


Competitive 5s play? I imagine he's a lot worse. Viable, but definitely not a top pick imo.

 

[JTB]

remember back when karthus respawned faster because of his passive?

LOLOL GONNA TOWER DIVE ALL DAY

 

[john!]

Revive: Come back again

Teleport: Get back into team fight to press E

yea lol he'll do a ton of dmg, die, do more dmg, revive tele, tons of dmg, die more dmg.

zombie karthus

these apply to any damage dealer, though...

 

[Shaya]

I agree with Dan.

BUT what makes Singed seem OP is just the ludicrous amount of positive match ups singed has top in the current meta. And even if he can't farm too well (due to w/e) he is still strong at a per level rate [uber ult, fling, poison constant damage].

Now like... Rumble and Morde... those are OP in strategic play.... and their best 'counter' (good ganks) isn't able to fit in many currently played team comps in 5s [no ones picking xin, shaco]... yes team's have nocturne and lee sin, but the former doesn't gank that well until 6 and usually if those types of characters are in the jungle they have a tank at top who may have cc but not the damage to guarantee a gank against the lolsyness of several great top laners.

 

[DMG]

But apply it to a Damage dealer that does extended AoE damage and a Global Team wide AoE nuke who can also die and still contribute damage


Like Pantheon jumping in with AoE circle nuking over and over, dying, coming back and doing it over and over, and then getting guaranteed Ult damage after that while still nuking while dead.

 

[DanGR]

But apply it to a Damage dealer that does extended AoE damage and a Global Team wide AoE nuke who can also die and still contribute damage


Like Pantheon jumping in with AoE circle nuking over and over, dying, coming back and doing it over and over, and then getting guaranteed Ult damage after that while still nuking while dead.

That sounds a lot like... KARTHUS. HUUUUUUH!

 

[_Dice]

I said bad or outclassed. I think Wukong is like a posterboy for being outclassed right now.
Like what does he do that you can't do better with somebody like Lee Sin? It's not that he's bad, it's just that there are soooo many champs that do what he does better.

veigar does more damage than brand and stuns for longer in an aoe. but that doesn't mean veigar is better than brand by any means nor does it give reason to pick veigar over brand. brands kit works with itself so well than even though there are characters that do the same thing as brand but better in terms of numbers, the synergy provided makes brand the much better choice.

the same goes with wu kong

a passive that reduces damage based on nearby enemies

a Q that reduces armor and does physical damage

a W that let's you stealth and deal aoe damage

an E that dashes you to a target and does Physical damage and makes your next Q faster

an R that has AOE CC and physical aoe DPS as well as increasing your speed.

now Jarvans Q is better than wu kongs

There is no real direct comparison to W from any champ

Akali's ult is better than wu kongs

Garens spin is better for damage until lvl 11 and malphites knockup is better as a knockup and rammus' ball is better for speed increase.

but wu kongs skills all work incredibly well together and thats the power he has. every skill he uses gets a direct benefit from another.

 

[DMG]

Veigar also has awful laning, doesn't have anti Health passive, and has to farm Q to get it to a respectable level. As far as the Wu Kong example, that makes more sense. There are characters with better leap ins, better as steroids, better ults either for CC or for damage, hard CC outside of ult, etc.

Wukong's Kit as far as synergy goes, sure. There's not a lot of conflicting points, it's build AD and play him like most generic tanky DPS. However, when it comes to actually fulfilling that role, you gotta ask why use him when you can use some other champs that don't just beat out Wukong in some niche aspect (like being a better jungler or being a slightly better solo), but are overall better than him in multiple areas. I could play Wukong, or I could play plenty of other champs that also have "synergy" in their skill set if that's what your looking for, or even pick a champ that seems all over the place like Irelia having a color roulette of different free stats and damage types, and still be better.

 

[King Funk]

Woah god damn, so many smashers play this game.

I don't see any Europeans smashers on the list in the opening post but I can tell you there are a ton of them (including myself).

 

[Pikaville]

Add meeeeeeeeeee.

LoL name is Demneo.

 

[Plum]

veigar does more damage than brand and stuns for longer in an aoe. but that doesn't mean veigar is better than brand by any means nor does it give reason to pick veigar over brand. brands kit works with itself so well than even though there are characters that do the same thing as brand but better in terms of numbers, the synergy provided makes brand the much better choice.

the same goes with wu kong

a passive that reduces damage based on nearby enemies

a Q that reduces armor and does physical damage

a W that let's you stealth and deal aoe damage

an E that dashes you to a target and does Physical damage and makes your next Q faster

an R that has AOE CC and physical aoe DPS as well as increasing your speed.

now Jarvans Q is better than wu kongs

There is no real direct comparison to W from any champ

Akali's ult is better than wu kongs

Garens spin is better for damage until lvl 11 and malphites knockup is better as a knockup and rammus' ball is better for speed increase.

but wu kongs skills all work incredibly well together and thats the power he has. every skill he uses gets a direct benefit from another.

Where does Wukong fit on a team at all though, that can't be done more effectively than another character?
He's a melee fighter that doesn't have the natural sustain, jungle routes, utility, or CC that you want from that role. He's tons of fun, but he just doesn't really have a place in the meta. Other characters that would fill his role have more CC, utility for the rest of the team, better laning, better jungling, etc.

 

[_Dice]

Where does Wukong fit on a team at all though, that can't be done more effectively than another character?
He's a melee fighter that doesn't have the natural sustain, jungle routes, utility, or CC that you want from that role. He's tons of fun, but he just doesn't really have a place in the meta. Other characters that would fill his role have more CC, utility for the rest of the team, better laning, better jungling, etc.

his harrassment in lane is actually quite strong actually. he does very well duo lane.

he doesn't have as good of laning as the obvious ones but he does have better laning than a good portion of characters.

his only downside to his laning is sustain, which you can buy whether in game or out of game.

I don't ever build him as a DPS champion. i tend to always go the route of building him like a tank and letting his great base stats, passive and spell damage do alot of the work.

think about it his stats without items or runes/masteries ar

435(+85) HP
202(+38) Mana
54(+3.2) AD
15(+3.5)+(4/6/8)*number of enemy champions nearby Armor
30(+1.25)+(4/6/8)*number of enemy champions nearby MR
320 MS

with stats like that + passive you can easily get 140/120 armor/MR without items and only using blue + yellow/quints runes, meaning you have two sets to fill (quints/red or yellow/red) to do whatever with.

he is also one of the fastest champions in the game allowing him to get in and out of situations quicker than every other champion you will face bottom lane

his base damage of his abilities scales incredibly well and they are very cheap.

i find him to be incredibly powerful as a duo lane champion though i would definitely put him along the lines of a specialty champion and not a basic archetype.

 

[Shaya]

Tanky DPS Ezreal build go:
Rush Sheen
Get 3-4 Vamp Sceptres
Build a wiggles
Build the gunblade pre-req life steal item
get a spirit visage if they have something gay like a CASTER
get tforce
qs heal for 200 damage
yeahwhat?
if you get a 4th vamp sceptre don't forget the starks pre-req, that thing just screams tanky dps LIFE STEAL (18%!!!) AND HEALTH REGEN? ****ing 800 gold and philo stone is the same price? pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WEAK.

 

[jiovanni007]

I'm pretty sure Singed is a little on the OP side at the moment. It's just too easy to get ahead and counteract most of the tanky DPSers you will typically encounter in top lane.

This x infinity.

I played against a singed as jax in top lane and got shut down so hard. Power level gas, gas my creeps, retreat, laugh when my turret has triple my cs. That plus he's damn near ungankable.

 

[fkacyan]

This x infinity.

I played against a singed as jax in top lane and got shut down so hard. Power level gas, gas my creeps, retreat, laugh when my turret has triple my cs. That plus he's damn near ungankable.

It's pretty easy to harass Singed out of lane early if he tries to farm hardcore because you do outdamage him.

 

[Coney]

It's pretty easy to harass Singed out of lane early if he tries to farm hardcore because you do outdamage him.

i main singed, and this is true

singed isn't really unstoppable until he gets catalyst, before that you can kite him EXTREMELY easily

after catalyst its a lot more difficult, he can afford to get poked a bit so long as he levels in between

the only real damage singed can do is from fling>poison, so if you just pick somebody top that has a good kit to stop it (garen silence into spin) or kite the **** out of it (ezreal), you'll be fine

if you have a character that actually has to commit to something like jax or wukong and you have to end up right next to him, you're probably not going to win unless you do the damage early

i'm not saying he's not OP but it's not because of his super early laning game, its because early-to-mid game he's near unstoppable with only catalyst and boots

 

[Boofy!]

@PX-hmm i guess both? I only ever tried jungling with WW or Udyr

 

[SamuraiPanda]

You're all wrong. The most OP champ right now is Skarner.

Trust me.

 

[jpak]

http://www.own3d.tv/live/47701
Collegiate star league(CSL) quarterfinals
bunch of 1900s/2ks if anyone interested in watching.
uni of waterloo v uni of dallas

 

[PhantomX]

That Mordekaiser, lol. Initiation without vision OP.

Against Brand... in the jungle.

 

[jpak]

no this malz and mord real special
you see elo shows nothing in 5s zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[PhantomX]

I missed most of it. I just saw the epic fail during that second baron

Weren't you just playing with these guys yesterday? o_O

 

[jpak]

in a normal ya, i think this is ur uni we're playing zac UTD. you should play

 

[PhantomX]

UTD Zac too good to play with his university.

 

[DanGR]

Was tonight, game night?

 

[Ignatius]

Sunda y

 

[PhantomX]

Damn. Katarina and Renekton and support GP on Rock Solid vs CLG o_O

 

[tarmacker]

It looks soo good though

 

[Deleted member]

I bet Singed feels OP in soloqueue cuz it's hard to force him away from farming in uncoordinated play. He's just too much of a beast late game.


Competitive 5s play? I imagine he's a lot worse. Viable, but definitely not a top pick imo.

singed is a great pick in solo q because even if i **** him 3-0 top lane, he'll just farm 15 more minutes than usual while rest of my team sucks and he catches up and still *****

 

[PhantomX]

WOW. CLG got **** on.

Yay for Renekton. Curious what he runs for masteries.

 

[Virgilijus]

Indeed; they absolutely ***** them.

Was fun to watch

 

[tarmacker]

That was such good play by rock solid. I hope they get popular

 

[PhantomX]

I'm kind of glad that Voyboy didn't do anything remarkable that game b/c I don't want Ren to become popular. It's nice to play a "hipster" character that you can always choose, haha.

 

[john!]

i'm starting to think my initial thoughts about renekton were correct; he's pretty damn good.

 

[Shaya]

Renekton was OP remember?
they toned him down a bit and hence his power level is around the same (while having a better kit) or better than the current tanky deeps.

 

[PhantomX]

They didn't even nerf him that hard, just hit his sustain in lane (which was completely out of line in the past, lol) :\

People get nerfed a little and everyone stops playing them.

 

[jpak]

rock solid going to win tournies soon

yepyepppp!

 

[PhantomX]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, papa J

 

[Z'zgashi]

So I kinda want to try out Rumble, what should I do with him and how does he work? Ive seriously only ever played against a Rumble once, and he wasnt that great and was always in a different lane than me, so I have no idea what he does. I literally only want to use him cuz I think he looks cool lol.

 

[Plum]

I feel like Renekton has been a good pick for a while now.
They nerfed him down from that crazy good level he was at and I feel like for a time he was maybe a little overshadowed by the other sustain laners but not far behind. Then they nerf the other sustain laners and he's pretty much back to where he was relative to the other top lane bruisers imo.