What casters? They are pretty low. Besides Annie's shield and stuff really low like that, pretty sure his spells are lower. Ryze is Ryze, definitely lower than Heimer, Gragas has lower cost on E but everything else is more, etc. It may seem like his mana costs are higher because he has 4 damaging spells while most casters only have 3, but compared to other spells he's lower than most non supporting caster spells. Only other champ I can think of in a similar spot is Malzahar/Karthus, but that's because of the Mana return they have that lets them get away with it.
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I pretty much never run out of mana in lane, I don't think they are high at all.
Trundle my favorite Jungler. As far as building him, idk what the "standard" is atm. T Force is good on him, Wriggles is also good because he can proc it with Q and since it resets his attack timer it's like getting 2 chances in 1.
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I never did a mana cost comparison or anything. Just seemed like pushing the lane versus Brand was the way to play just about any matchup versus him as a caster. (Annie can't really do it tho) I know Orianna and Cass for example have low costs. Annie's are okay. Morgana's and Malz's are pretty low. TF, Morde, and Rumble's spell costs are a non-factor.
Is it really that farfetched to say Brand's costs are high compared to these casters? o.o
edit: streaming 10v10 on summoner's rift l0l
edit2: fuzz- not working.
Is it really that farfetched to say Brand's costs are high compared to these casters? o.o
edit: streaming 10v10 on summoner's rift l0l
edit2: fuzz- not working.
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Riven splash art got leaked, it seems. This might be for a skin or something, b/c it looks different from the magazine.
Riven splash art got leaked, it seems. This might be for a skin or something, b/c it looks different from the magazine.
Brand's mana costs are overall lower than Morgana's, including Black Shield.
50 vs 50 (Sear vs Black Shield. Dunno why this spell is 50 mana but whatever)
130 vs 110 Soil vs E
120 vs 110 Binding vs Pillar
At early levels, they start off about the same but Morgana's spells scale upwards further than Brands. Morgana feels like she's annoying mana wise because all you see her do is use Soil to farm the wave safely where as other casters would have to use more mana/more than 1 spell that early on to clear a wave. That and she's a prime candidate for Catalyst, making her seem even more efficient.
Compared to most other casters as well, Brand's spells tend to be a bit lower. Sear costs less than Body Slam for example. Or even taking Sear/other casters low mana spell out of the equation, he's a bit on the low side besides his ult, which is about on par with most other casters.
Either way, the point was that his Mana costs aren't high like a Heimer/Anivia caster that you're constantly hogging blue buff and eying Catalyst from the get go and that you could run other yellow runes besides mana.
Edit: She got nice boobies.
50 vs 50 (Sear vs Black Shield. Dunno why this spell is 50 mana but whatever)
130 vs 110 Soil vs E
120 vs 110 Binding vs Pillar
At early levels, they start off about the same but Morgana's spells scale upwards further than Brands. Morgana feels like she's annoying mana wise because all you see her do is use Soil to farm the wave safely where as other casters would have to use more mana/more than 1 spell that early on to clear a wave. That and she's a prime candidate for Catalyst, making her seem even more efficient.
Compared to most other casters as well, Brand's spells tend to be a bit lower. Sear costs less than Body Slam for example. Or even taking Sear/other casters low mana spell out of the equation, he's a bit on the low side besides his ult, which is about on par with most other casters.
Either way, the point was that his Mana costs aren't high like a Heimer/Anivia caster that you're constantly hogging blue buff and eying Catalyst from the get go and that you could run other yellow runes besides mana.
Edit: She got nice boobies.
Boofy are you trying to lane or jungle Trundle?
I'm hearing a lot of QQ-ing about Orianna but I've never played with or against one. Check that, I did play against one but she didn't really do anything so I don't know how she's effective. Can anyone explain what the hate is about?
L__
Smash Master
I think it's how much zone she can control + her innate power
dammit ninjad
dammit ninjad
Let's see. She can zone and farm without being in danger b/c her ball does most of her damage and has a huge leash range. She has ridiculous utility b/c she has an aoe speed boost and slow in the same move (making her really really hard to catch), a flat damage shield that grants some bonus resists, and a huge aoe ult that displaces, all with good ratios.
Not to mention that unlike most AP carries, her auto attacks actually get stronger from building AP through her passive. Oh... and her ball grants vision from really safe distance and a lot of her spells are very low CD.
Not to mention that unlike most AP carries, her auto attacks actually get stronger from building AP through her passive. Oh... and her ball grants vision from really safe distance and a lot of her spells are very low CD.
BSL
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man all this. i tried to lane vs orianna as sivir once. whew that was hard. i could keep up in farm due to my really good spellshields but i was so afraid of their jungler jumping in also that i couldn't do anything to keep her from farming as well. so we were both just last hitting like crazy while i danced around the ball as best as i could.
john!
Smash Hero
i never knew why everyone considered orianna op.
then i started playing more on my smurf and came across smurfriannas
i couldn't do ANYTHING to her. and i was karthus. it was ********.
btw there are USA vs. canada matches tonight, it's probably the best collection of league talent in a single game i've ever seen. a few people are streaming it.
then i started playing more on my smurf and came across smurfriannas
i couldn't do ANYTHING to her. and i was karthus. it was ********.
btw there are USA vs. canada matches tonight, it's probably the best collection of league talent in a single game i've ever seen. a few people are streaming it.
smasher_25
Smash Cadet
orianna vs poppy solo mid
god did i get flamed for no reason..
god did i get flamed for no reason..
Pikaville
Pikaville returns 10 years later.
Poppy is capable of disgusting damage.
I just played with one that was 2 hitting people mid-late game.
I just played with one that was 2 hitting people mid-late game.
She is a hyper anti-carry late game. Instagibs who she pleases. Needs quite a bit to get there, though.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
How do people miss these things? Like, really, I thought Orianna was broken from the start, but people called me an idiot for thinking so.
Next thing, people will suddenly find out that Mundo is amazing.
Also, way delayed response to previous post, but I don't think Jarvan is even close to the best anymore. :/
Next thing, people will suddenly find out that Mundo is amazing.
Also, way delayed response to previous post, but I don't think Jarvan is even close to the best anymore. :/
There are a lot of characters who are extremely good but have something that counters them pretty well.
Characters like Akali when you last pick them against the right team facerolls your team to a win.
Then there are times when you have somebody first pick Akali only to see the other team lock in somebody like Morde :3
And theeeeen you have the characters like Orianna who are more or less unconditionally good.
Maybe not as good as certain champs against certain comps, but they don't get counterpicked hard.
That's the way I see it at least. Most champs have some sort of niche they can fill. There are some who are just bad or outclassed coughevetwitchwukongcough, but imo most champs can bring something to the table as a correct last pick.
Characters like Akali when you last pick them against the right team facerolls your team to a win.
Then there are times when you have somebody first pick Akali only to see the other team lock in somebody like Morde :3
And theeeeen you have the characters like Orianna who are more or less unconditionally good.
Maybe not as good as certain champs against certain comps, but they don't get counterpicked hard.
That's the way I see it at least. Most champs have some sort of niche they can fill. There are some who are just bad or outclassed coughevetwitchwukongcough, but imo most champs can bring something to the table as a correct last pick.
wu kong by far does not deserve to be paired with eve and twitch.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
So I think Leona is a good solo top laner. Any thoughts?
EDIT: Also, why is Twitch so bad? I personally have had my team pooped on by a Twitch on a few occasions.
EDIT: Also, why is Twitch so bad? I personally have had my team pooped on by a Twitch on a few occasions.
jiovanni007
Smash Ace
LoL players have a conspiracy to constantly say he's bad so that Riot will remove him and they won't have to deal with him anymore. I'll say it, Twitch ain't garbage tier. Standard right clicker with an aoe slow and passive DoT. Pink wards kinda **** on him though.
pretty much that last sentence. you can play twitch as if he doesn't have stealth in which case he isn't terrible. but at the same time he isn't as good as he could be. but if you play like you have stealth and they see you. you are less than worthless.
john!
Smash Hero
he just pales in comparison to what he used to be. he's still ridiculously squishy, and he needs a good team in order to maximize his damage while minimizing the chance that he'll explode in a team fight. he's like anivia except with less damage and cc (although anivia is THE squishiest hero in the game
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and that's why i love her <3
smasher_25
Smash Cadet
watch saintvicious tanky dps twitch last night
it just *****. squishy only depends on what you build
it just *****. squishy only depends on what you build
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Doesnt LeBlanc have the second lowest HP?
I'm pretty sure Singed is a little on the OP side at the moment. It's just too easy to get ahead and counteract most of the tanky DPSers you will typically encounter in top lane.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I personally have never had a problem with Singed. The only thing about him that has given me trouble is when you over extend and he Flings you into turret/his team. Aside from that... Just except that you cant chase him and poke at him.
john!
Smash Hero
well i meant statistically. twitch's health/armor/mres numbers are quite low. anivia's are the lowest with the possible exceptions of heimerdinger and lux.
it's nice hearing people who have mained a champion for a long time accepting the fact that the champion is op (at least after his buffs)
i didn't realize that singed was op, but pretty much everyone is saying that he is right now, so i guess he is, lol
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
This. Why does everyone do this. Make opinions on your own, if he doesnt seem the same as people make him out to be, question why and look into finding out for yourself instead of just "lol, k'ing".
Well, I know he's probably my best champion for a variety of reasons. I know how to farm effectively with him--from being comfortable with hist last hit timing to just knowing how to use my poison as effectively as possible--and I generally know when I have an advantage in a fight, and because I don't have to worry about any of his mechanics I can focus on matchflow and decision making. If you can really assign Elo to match a person's skill, my Singed Elo is much higher than my other characters' Elo. So it's possible I'm just roflstomping people at my Elo because... well, if I got to play nothing but Singed, I'd just be much higher, OP or not.
But I'm still leaning towards OP because I constantly feel like I have the advantage in a given situation... and the more often you have an advantage, the better your character is. It's pretty simple IMO.
But I'm still leaning towards OP because I constantly feel like I have the advantage in a given situation... and the more often you have an advantage, the better your character is. It's pretty simple IMO.
Singed is OP, people just in denial about it. He needs to lose the tenacity increase on his ultimate and then he'd be perfectly fair, I think.
I said bad or outclassed. I think Wukong is like a posterboy for being outclassed right now.
Like what does he do that you can't do better with somebody like Lee Sin? It's not that he's bad, it's just that there are soooo many champs that do what he does better.
john!
Smash Hero
it's part of the game. believe me, i've correctly predicted many trending op characters months before they become popular. but sometimes you just have to trust what the top players say about a character over your own judgment.
the game i just finished had two singeds. i don't personally have much evidence that he's op, but people are using him a LOT nowadays and he's very annoying to deal with.
also, i'd like to know why everyone seems to thinks this about karthus.teleport karthus op
why do people take revive and teleport on karthus, but rarely on other heroes? what part of karthus' kit makes revive/teleport good on him?
PsychoMidget
Smash Lord
yea lol he'll do a ton of dmg, die, do more dmg, revive tele, tons of dmg, die more dmg.
zombie karthus
zombie karthus