CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Wait, you mean CenCal actually exist? I always thought it was just Nor Cal and SoCal.
/asked a question to D3 players so I'm on topic
/asked a question to D3 players so I'm on topic
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Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Yes that's true Crashic. No there's no real competitive scene in central California because the majority of it is just land, fields, and mountains with no active people there except a couple, so they just resort to the northern California scene.
∫unk
Smash Master
there's cows too!
i used mk a lot because ppl feel the need to go jungle japes falco like every time game 2
and i hate going ddd on double blind in case something dumb happens
but this period im going to go all ddd and see how i do
i used mk a lot because ppl feel the need to go jungle japes falco like every time game 2
and i hate going ddd on double blind in case something dumb happens
but this period im going to go all ddd and see how i do
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
That's why you always ban japes no matter what.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
I wish Japes is legal in my area *sad face*
Does anyone know the frame advantages that DDD has when he d-throws certain characters?
Does anyone know the frame advantages that DDD has when he d-throws certain characters?
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I'll go frame test it if you want.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Perfect.......... just perfect.
I will command them in so many ways.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
But first you must GENOcide
Better than DDDcide!
Better than DDDcide!
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Alrught LOL. I got that.
No more posts here, thanks.
No more posts here, thanks.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
That would be great Serin!
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
I have a question for you DDD mains. Who do you think is harder match up for DDD, Luigi or Mario?
Tekk
Smash Lord
I'd say Luigi, but I'm not sure, I think they are both even easy for dedede
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
They're both easy matchups for us because we infinite both of them. But to compare both of those characters as matchups on us.... Luigi would be slightly harder because he has more on us than Mario does. For one, his recovery is better, and Mario can be gimped once with back air and be dead. Luigi's tornado and his neutral air have amazing priority which messes up us sometimes. Mario doesn't have a strong neutral air and he doesn't have a real tornado anymore thanks to Sakurai, and his aerial game is a little bit weaker than Luigi's because the burden of his forward air being laggy prevents him from approaching in the air straight up, while Luigi can just air approach with his karate-chop. If you're all thinking Mario's cape is a threat... it's not. For smarter King Dededes, they'll know it's coming and just purposely upB more over... And lastly, Luigi's combo game is a little stronger than Mario's with his up tilt being better, and his down throw both being better for comboing. I'd say the ratio for the Luigi matchup is "5" better than Mario's matchup. I don't know the ratios but I'd say Luigi is "5" in better favor of him because of everything I've explained about him that he has on King Dedede compared to what Mario has on King Dedede.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
Infinite is banned in some places.
Also the cape is bad, no matter what.
Also the cape is bad, no matter what.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
OK, so beef or anybody else, without the infinite what would you say the matchup is?
T3h Albino
Smash Master
lol luigi?
easy? hahaha XD
easy? hahaha XD
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Wait what there are tourneys that don't ban DDD's infinites? All EC tourneys have that banend, but I guess thats cuz we have so many Dededes. They sort of counterbalance that by banning Japes, but overall EC rules are pretty boring.
T3h Albino
Smash Master
Kuz infinites aren't boring ya know?
And japes and Norfair aren't totally gay as ****.
And japes and Norfair aren't totally gay as ****.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
There's no need to point out the obvious that it's banned in most places. Seriously, everybody knows that.
I think this was a little disrespect to Gates's project on the matchup thread because people would rather ask something that's answered there, but as long as he's okay with it.
You obviously don't know what predicting is, or just reacting accordingly to what the opponent will do.
I think we're a soft counter on Luigi, 55:45. We're 60:40 on Mario.
I think this was a little disrespect to Gates's project on the matchup thread because people would rather ask something that's answered there, but as long as he's okay with it.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
I like how people act like their opponents can't predict or act accordingly to what the opponent will do either. I don't have any good mario experience but the cape is a pretty good threat against our recovery though a situational one depending on how we recover.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VjOrG2YSXU&feature=channel
Critique just for the hell of it, Beefy.
I know my mistakes and I know I won't make them again, I just feel like hearing what you have to say. Anyone else is free to join in too just for the hell of it as well.
Critique just for the hell of it, Beefy.
I know my mistakes and I know I won't make them again, I just feel like hearing what you have to say. Anyone else is free to join in too just for the hell of it as well.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
At the 2nd match you had a wall infinite on him.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I'm the D3. He wall infinited me...
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Yeah I know, I meant when you grabbed him at the crease in the rock transformation you had a d-throw infinite, you could have d-thrown a few times and uptilt for an easy kill.
Jupz
Smash Master
Umm you can't Dthrow infinite MK lol.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Wall infinite duh.
dawall250
Smash Journeyman
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you can't wall infinite non chaingrabable characters. there was this thread floating about a while back which said you could hit a nonchaingrabbable character with a jab after a dthrow against a wall and then be able to regrab, but i've never really tried it and it can be teched
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
Kay I'm wrong, I'll let the Dedede mains do the critiquing then, Dawall, gogogogogo
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
As you wish, Serin.
Like I've said in other places, I think you've improved a lot by means of being receptive/reactive to some things Meta Knight does, and I can tell that you're applying your reactions to other matchups also. And you're aware of some things in the matchup, such as dealing with Tornado [that was an excellent jump-out to a down air], and also the fact that you're not reckless like you used to be. You're being more patient and cautious to Meta Knight which is what you should be doing. You're mixing up your options from your arsenal, converting it to somewhat of a mindgame. I'm not joking when I'm saying any of this because you were the exact opposite a few months ago...to what I said above. Keep up the work you're doing and don't give up on your bad matchups. It's up to us two to be the lone King Dededes with refusal to secondaries, who are representing that from two coasts. And I don't mean to be too mooshey or homo here, but it's great that you're with this community and not others.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Honestly, I'm in too deep with D3 to go with anyone else now. I can use ICs for the lulz, but I'm not seriously good with them.
And IIRC, CO18 plays D3 only in tourneys as well.
Also, can the other 2 WC D3s critique as well? Dunno if you guys have a MK other than Tyrant, but that doesn't mean you can't critique.
And IIRC, CO18 plays D3 only in tourneys as well.
Also, can the other 2 WC D3s critique as well? Dunno if you guys have a MK other than Tyrant, but that doesn't mean you can't critique.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
They have Tyrant, Havok, and one with a D in their name I believe.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
There's plenty of Meta Knights here that aren't ranked.
Another ranked Meta Knight is AC. And the "D" one is DieSuperFly, he only goes to tournaments in northern California now though.
Another ranked Meta Knight is AC. And the "D" one is DieSuperFly, he only goes to tournaments in northern California now though.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Well everyone in SoCal isn't buffed, so I'm only considering Tyrant and Havok worthy MKs.
T3h Albino
Smash Master
DSF is best in Norcal again.
∫unk
Smash Master
dsf went to socal last weekend and went back to his old **** mode (http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=7634)
he got 2nd at this behind tyrant
there's a lot of good mk's on the wc... tyrant havok dsf zex sean jem im forgetting a few... but all of those people have won at least $500 each with mk in the past year
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random zss vs ddd tidbit: you can block (not even powershield) zero suit's up tilt facing toward her or away from her and u-smash oos and it'll hit her guaranteed
kills at 115% with good DI around 109% with mediocre/no DI
he got 2nd at this behind tyrant
there's a lot of good mk's on the wc... tyrant havok dsf zex sean jem im forgetting a few... but all of those people have won at least $500 each with mk in the past year
--
random zss vs ddd tidbit: you can block (not even powershield) zero suit's up tilt facing toward her or away from her and u-smash oos and it'll hit her guaranteed
kills at 115% with good DI around 109% with mediocre/no DI
Steel_Samurai
Smash Journeyman
Is there a thread with D3s frame data?
I can't seem to find one
I can't seem to find one
Jupz
Smash Master
critique pls
i decided to film these matches because I have trouble with this matchup. I know I played really terrible in these
my johnz - playing on a TV with lag screwing up my PSing and z catching and my c stick screws up when I hit it down which is why sometimes I would just randomly jump into the air without doing anything when I was trying to dair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y7YC0FFRbI&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GZKAgxnO0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30wFpjuysyU&feature=channel
i decided to film these matches because I have trouble with this matchup. I know I played really terrible in these
my johnz - playing on a TV with lag screwing up my PSing and z catching and my c stick screws up when I hit it down which is why sometimes I would just randomly jump into the air without doing anything when I was trying to dair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y7YC0FFRbI&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GZKAgxnO0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30wFpjuysyU&feature=channel
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I didn't see you instant throw the bombs. I'd avoid the bombs all together, as it could very well be a trap he is setting up, and they might be cooked, but if you are going to attempt to grab them, use the instant throw. (Grab with air dodge, cancel air dodge with throwing the item) You also did really good more towards the beginning when he hadn't claimed the momentum yet. I don't know anything about the TINK matchup, so I'll leave it to CO18.
Jupz
Smash Master
Just wondering why to use the instant throw? Most of the time when I caught them if I threw them right away they wouldn't have changed the match at all, either by hitting him or forcing him to do something. I waited until he was on the ledge or directly below me or something lol.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Mixup. Tink can abuse bombs more than you, so if you get predictable with your bombs, he can punish you for it.