Anyone here play Marths often? Could you point me in the direction of not getting 2 stocked by every Marth player? ;-;
I never get space for needles and going in is like, eating a fair/DB. Halp me please :[
Have you ever tried making use of Sheik's crouching? It's pretty good against Marth if they don't space the vertical part of Fair.
Yeah Marth has a solid adv Neutral on Neutral. First thing you want to watch out is grab shenanigans. Needle camp until you are out of that CG death spike. Take the damage from Fair if you have to, just don't get grabbed. Once you are out, you'll be finding your main damage from edge pressure and guarding along with juggles and charged needles punishes (like if they try to Fair backwards or if you shield an Fsmash, just needle away). You can also try reading when they input jumps and nail them, though the reward is pretty eh unless you Ftilt in respects to a jump giving you free Ftilt combos. Just watch out for an UpB if you mess up.
Things to expect and can get some massive rewards are UPB OOS and SideB's from Marth. If you predict an UpB (Some Marth's do it if they think it's a punish, others do it after they bait a shield grab.) Free tipper Upsmash or whatever punish seems to be the best at the time (close to edge? Dsmash and proceed to edgeguard.) SideB can always be punished. Thing is some Marth's are smart about it and do things like mix up grabs, delay dancing blade and such. You can always punish the 3rd hit of it with grab, DA, or Ftilt if close enough.There's also the trick that you get a frame adv if you roll behind and they're in DB2 or anything higher. You can also punish the final hit with DA or Dash grab ( I think) all the time.
So as said before, know your Fair and Uair spacings along with how far Sheik's DJ can go for Edgeguarding and Juggling purposes, with also the spacing of Marth's Fair in prospective( Stay out of range of Marth's Fair and bait it when he's coming from the ledge if you expect it) and keep in mind not to go for a punish all the time. You want to wait for a mistake on the Marth's part first and punish accordingly, surely, and with precision. If you try to punish EVERYTHING Marth does, you'll get the slapped by the sword. If the Marth is smart, you'll have to come up with some mix-up's and force him into bad positions.
Quick Summary: Just remember those wise words of Isai, *don't get hit*, CHARGE NEEDLES WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE TIME, and the patience of my dog about to take a bath. Hint: he HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEES baths.
Yeah hope this helps if at all.
