Golden Sun: The Lost Age (of) Mafia -Game Over! Indy Alex wins!

[rid****ulous]

Rake wtf, how am I supposed to explain something like that in detail? I've been explaining my thought process for why kantrip is scummy. What more do you want?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kantrip needs to eat a bullet.

WL needs more votes.

First though,

Request Votecount

 

[Kantrip]

it wasn't "the wagon you liked best". It was "the only wagon besides yourself"

And? If there were 3 other wagons and I jumped on one, would you judge me any differently? It's the fact that I LIKED the idea of pressuring KevinM after his horrid reaction to the callout on his miller crumb. If I didn't like the wagon, I wouldn't have joined it. You're only seeing the scum side of my motivation and it's really shallow.

 

[rid****ulous]

I don't think there's valid town motivation for the jump though. I would think, as town, you would make a more visible attempt at reading kevin. You didn't question him or anything. You were content with just laying down a vote and walking away. That's not scumhunting.

 

[Kantrip]

Wow opinions on my slot are so polarized. It's like I'm the usual dumbtown kantplay or I'm scum kantplay.

My role isn't even good maybe I should just let this lynch go through to prove a point to all the idiots who don't know how to read the town intent in my recent actions. It's not like I'm going to enjoy this game at this point. A lynch on me would actually give A LOT of connections, the only drawback is I'm not scum but everything else is a benefit for a D1 lynch.

Here's what's going to happen before I advocate that though. EVERY slot is going to give a definitive "Kantrip town" or "Kantrip scum" if they haven't already done so so it is very clear where everyone lies on their opinion. There is so much out there on me there is no excuse for not having a hard stance.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't think there's valid town motivation for the jump though. I would think, as town, you would make a more visible attempt at reading kevin. You didn't question him or anything. You were content with just laying down a vote and walking away. That's not scumhunting.

I wasn't trying to ask him questions. There are other ways to catch scum bro. I wanted to gauge his reaction to a wagon with the vote, not do a detective case.

 

[rid****ulous]

why would he react to a vote with no substance?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kantrip scum, die please.

 

[Inferno3044]

Hmm.

Ri****'s play is very calculated right now.

Like he's stepping through the motions on a argument already made / laid out somewhere else.

Not sure what about it makes me feel this way. This bars investigation

Can you explain how Ridik's play is calculated? I don't see it. As for what FF said, I saw what you saw. However I liked the rest of the post and agree that the whole dilemma was blown out of proportion.

@FF - can you explain your word choice that Rake pointed out?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

whoa whoa.

Seriously, if you're a townie, sit down and think about it. If you're in the same position as me, the situation makes more sense.

Tell me im not the only one seeing this

Not sure what you're implying.

I said that if you're town, and you share my position (i.e. you aren't sure what to take away from this who miller thing), then you should sit down and think about why so many people are getting fired up about the situation.

Am I missing something here?

The second portion of this implies you think some of the people attacking Kevmo are scum.

Is that your belief ? Is it more than just Kantrip ?

Yeah I definitely get the vibe that some of the people stirring the pot are scum. Idk who specifically yet, but I'm sure some of the people getting heavily involved are scum taking advantage of the opportunity, and some are people who were provoked into escalation. And yeah, this involves more people than just Kantrip.

@ Kantrip: If you're gonna play the "wahhhhh being attacked isnt fun this game wont be fun I quit boohoo just lynch me" card, then atleast give us something easy to digest and work with. Put together a cliff notes of who you perceive to be your scummiest attackers and who you perceive to be attacking you for legit/well guided reasons.

If you're gonna take a stance that your flip is valuable enough to warrant you not trying (which it isnt but hey reason is not automatic, thanks ayn rand!), you'd better devote yourself to making sure using your flip is as effortless as possible for the rest of us.

Otherwise you're just a ****ty townie. Or scum.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

The only way to describe what i fell, is that his points questioning Kantrip are cut and dry to me.

Like he's walking through the motions of having a scum read on Kantrip without being as fully invested as it appears he is.

It's hard to explain.

Think of it like, some of his questions, led Kantrip to a conclusion or point, that Ridick wanted him to get to.

This in particular:

your vote on kevin was not perfectly fine.

For an early D1 vote, yes it was. There was reasoning provided for him and I wanted to add to the pressure. I didn't have any fresh new points to add to the case against him but I liked it anyways so I wanted to add to the pressure. What the hell is wrong with this early D1?

because you voted without having to provide reasoning. I get that there was already reasoning provided by others, but that's the problem. It was too easy for you, and you jumped on it as eager as can be.

You claim you were adding to the pressure. Ask yourself this, did you really think that vote was going to pressure kevin? For real? I don't think it was gonna. I don't think you think it was gonna.

I think you're dumb, so there's that.

You can hold me responsible for voting without having to provide reasoning when an actual lynch goes through, but at this point it's really stupid to be doing that. It's just shutting down my actions before they can even play out. What's the scum intent to what I did (assuming a lynch doesn't go through without me giving reasoning)?

Where the hell do you expect me to put my vote? That was the wagon I liked best.

it wasn't "the wagon you liked best". It was "the only wagon besides yourself"

Can't explain better than that, really.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Maybe it's me seeing Ridick's prodding of Kantrip as too easy.

I don't know what to feel about about the overall interaction. That's why I need to look at it more

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like FF, Rake I'll look at that questionare later, you may have something there.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake wtf, how am I supposed to explain something like that in detail? I've been explaining my thought process for why kantrip is scummy. What more do you want?

I want you to explain why I should see it your way, over my way.

I can see your thought process, but it doesn't convince me. Bluntly.

I want you to sway me with your arguments, not just lay out your arguments like cards on a table to be picked up. Your smart enough to know how to make an argument as to why something could be the more likely scenario.

Your thoughts are only as good as your actions, and you actions now don't even make me feel like reconsidering Kantrip again is worth my effort.

 

[rid****ulous]

Rake, if you're not picking up what I'm laying down, there's really nothing more I can say.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

...

....

I give up.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Not sure what you're implying.

I said that if you're town, and you share my position (i.e. you aren't sure what to take away from this who miller thing), then you should sit down and think about why so many people are getting fired up about the situation.

.

I thought you meant position of information.

I think I just misread the tone of your post. I got that you were uncertain of Kevmo, but I didn't get the sense from that line that you intended to mean you weren't sure what to take from it.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ridick, of Kantplay isn't scum, who is ?

Are there people on his wagon you are suspicious of ? What about the few stragler's such as myself who defend him(albeit it sidelong) ?

What are your thought's on WL, and Furio Tigre in particular.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*if, dammit spelling

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Severely unimpressed by Inferno's entrance into this day.

Although I'm sure he read up, he took what are probably the easiest stances to take in the context of this thread at this time.

Furio Tigre, I want you to give me your thoughts on Ridick and Ryker.

Ryu, I want you talk to me about life beyond Kantrip. You've expressed intrest in other player's , but I want you to specifically look at his currently forming wagon, is there scum on it from your POV ? Or is it too early to tell ?

 

[rid****ulous]

Ri****, of Kantplay isn't scum, who is ?

Are there people on his wagon you are suspicious of ? What about the few stragler's such as myself who defend him(albeit it sidelong) ?

What are your thought's on WL, and Furio Tigre in particular.

WL is probably the next biggest suspect behind kantrip. His pushes read like he just wants them to die, rather than like he's trying to read anyone.

Furio is still pretty null to me.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ahh see this I like.

I think tbh, you have more reason to vote WL, then you do kantrip.

In fact, I think WL is liable to garner more information faster. And I agree that his pushes do in fact seem like he's not really interested in reading people.

However, I want you to make a distinction. so I will ask you: If WL is scum, are both of his pushes fake, and what oh his stance on Kantrip

 

[Furio Tigre]

Aight, listen up fellas. The tiger's been prowlin' around dis jungle for a quick minute, and now he's hungry. I ain't made use of these paws in a while, so youse all better be ready!

First, I don't like dat Swiss/Adumbrodeus hydra. I don't be liking them since the start 'cause they be spellin' all sorts of wrong wit me! Here's a couple things of note dat I was seein' dat made me sniff twice:

1. Swiss' early distaste for RR. Granted dat dis happened pre-game, but der was no reason to dislike RR as 'e had his screwed on da way it's always screwed on when he's Town. Dat being said, it ain't make sense why TownSwiss would try to build a power position in the Town while pickin' on the wrong people, youse all see? There is more to the story though, I ain't done yet. Den what didn't make sense was dat Adum disagreed wit Swiss' distaste and said dat he liked RR and felt RR was obvTown! Dat ain't smell right! Smell more like Adum tryin'a clean up da spilled glass dat almost nobody heard in case people decided to look back again at Swiss, youse guys know what I'm sayin'? Da fact is dat Swiss' distaste for RR wasn't entirely necessary at da time and dis discrepancy wit Adum is weird!

2. Adum side of the hydra fits his scum play from Paper Mario 64 mafia. I ain't pullin' no strings or tryin'a get money either, dis guy don't owe me nuttin'! Adum has been mostly sidelinin' and bein' transparent wit his play albeit providin' accurate observations of da events dat occurred. Dis is a 99% puzzle piece fit an I ain't have no qualms seein' dat slot sleep wit da fishies, you know what I'm sayin'? Look again if you don't believe me, I'll pull out PM64 if I have to!

Secondly, I ain't likin' Kevin's crumb. Dat's like leavin' your finger prints at da scene of the crime! I'm also not likin' his reasonin' for doin' it, an also 'cause man dat was one of the most obvious crumbs I EVER seen, even I ain't dat sloppy. Let's jus' say KevMo ain't high on the totem pole at the moment 'cause my claws are in reach! I will also profess dat I disliked the way he tried to handle the situation by tryin'a play' off the pressure the way he did, however I will confess tho dat while the scum intent is obvious, it's transparent, but I ain't disregarding it from the get go, know what I'm sayin'? I'm lookin' for some reads from you Kev, I want names. Would you be ok with the lynch of dat fake mobster domo-kun?

Thirdly, and the rest will hafta be for later 'cause I got a bus to catch for a loan appointment in not too long from now, but dat RR guy is fine in my book. Lets jus' say dat I would loan him a few wit a low interest rate, know what I'm sayin'? Dat Kantrip guy also seemin' like he got off the wrong foot wit a lot of people, but it reminds me of post BiM Kantrip. Give it a look if you don't catch my drift.

If any of you foos got questions, I got answers for ya once I ain't busy makin' dat dough!

 

[Furio Tigre]

I was gettin' so busy dat I forgot to scratch dat domo-kun flat! Comin' at ya with a left hook to da kissa'!

Vote: Scylla & Charybdis

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip scum, die please.

Okay seriously stop with these constant baseless comments about me needing to die.

YOU'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING.

**** off

 

[Kantrip]

why would he react to a vote with no substance?

It's not my vote he's reacting to. It's the fact that he has like a 4 vote wagon on him. I'm just a link in the chain, and it's not the link that needs reasoning.

 

[Kantrip]

Really disliking ri****'s approach to questioning me here. I agree with Rake, it feels like the questions are all being asked with calling me scum in mind.

Like he's not trying to read me with his questions at all, he's gonna call me scum no matter how I answer and it shows.

 

[Kantrip]

Dat Kantrip guy also seemin' like he got off the wrong foot wit a lot of people, but it reminds me of post BiM Kantrip. Give it a look if you don't catch my drift.

Explain please?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Okay seriously stop with these constant baseless comments about me needing to die.

YOU'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING.

**** off

I am, I gave my hard stance, please die.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No offense taken with outside the game, however I do want you to die in this game.

 

[Kantrip]

You keep coming in here with nothing better to say than "Kantrip die"

it's pissing me off

 

[rid****ulous]

ryu chill out, poking kantrip like that isn't gonna make him die any faster.

Rake, I know you like to think you're pretty good at reading Kantrip. What's your read on him right now? How sure of it are you?

 

[rid****ulous]

Unvote

Kantrip, who is scum?

 

[Kantrip]

You, looks like. That was the grimiest time to "reconsider" your read on me.

 

[rid****ulous]

you'll have to go into detail on that, because now it looks like you're trying to paint me as scum for doing something decidedly not scummy.

 

[rid****ulous]

I haven't necessarily changed my read on you, I'm just questioning it a bit, so I'm trying to ease up on you so you'll stop being a big whiny crybaby about the way I'm questioning you. You felt like I wasn't giving you a fair shake, so I'm trying to help you out.

You're also being dumb. You thought I was scummy because I was so convinced that you were scum before, and now that I'm showing signs of reconsidering that read, you think I'm scum for that too. What's the scenario where I don't look like scum to you, Kantrip? And why is my scumminess completely based on how I'm reading you?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You, looks like. That was the grimiest time to "reconsider" your read on me.

Strangely I agree with you.

 

[Kantrip]

Simple explanation.

You chose to change your line of questioning at the exact moment I called you out for it.

Like basically you were doing something scummy, I called it scummy, and then you suddenly stopped doing it without acknowledging the callout. The way you wouldn't have been scum is if you never did the scummy fake questioning in the first place or at least switched at a less grimy time. It's all about timing here.

 

[Kantrip]

Strangely I agree with you.

Ruy is town based off of this post, but I don't like his tunneling of me still (not in a scummy way but in an annoying way). Him agreeing with me is really telling to me but ask someone better to explain why I'm not feeling good with words right now.

 

[Kantrip]

I haven't necessarily changed my read on you, I'm just questioning it a bit, so I'm trying to ease up on you so you'll stop being a big whiny crybaby about the way I'm questioning you. You felt like I wasn't giving you a fair shake, so I'm trying to help you out.

You're also being dumb. You thought I was scummy because I was so convinced that you were scum before, and now that I'm showing signs of reconsidering that read, you think I'm scum for that too. What's the scenario where I don't look like scum to you, Kantrip? And why is my scumminess completely based on how I'm reading you?

Vote: rid****ulous