Golden Sun: The Lost Age (of) Mafia -Game Over! Indy Alex wins!

[Furio Tigre]

Swiss hasn't explained it to me either, but let me ask you this, why does it have to be? Why couldn't it just be a gut read?


Sidelining in PM64 mafia? Why are you BSing me? Do you actually have any meta reason for suspecting me or are you just trying to shore up an empty case?

Aight, I will pull out da big guns.

Don't ever bring a knife to a gun fight, youse got dat?! I'll be right back.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Oh wait, you're bardull, initially thought it was a mad scummy clear fabrication but I forgot you were part of this hydra, have to think on what this makes you.

Either way, the chain of events in that thread was I attempted to push to maintain RVS against all the other power players involved, then got into a very public fight with SM over his attempt to use vigging to lead town. Then I died that night. I was never sidelining that game, always in the center.

Bardull... ya that's just sad. No amount of roleplaying machismo changes that.

 

[Raziek]

WashedLaundry has requested replacement. Searching for one now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We're both those posts from Adumb?

 

[Swiss]

Swiss this is the last post your slot made a vote, you made a very lengthy introspect to Kev and WL showing that you preferred WL over Kevin.

But you never moved your vote during the last 7 pages.

Very, very odd.

I pushed hard and left kev off my scumlist. Clearly an accident.

 

[Kantrip]

Unvote Vote:Furio
YICK.

Explain.

Kantrip, lemme cool down PJb. I've got you more null nulltownish as of late.

Dislike bolded, it's basically using being a hydra to justify change in reads.

Don't think Kantip's scum if washed is. Less sure on kev.

Explain.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss/Adumb read on Ridic and Rake?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

I pushed hard and left kev off my scumlist. Clearly an accident.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Swiss/Adumb read on Ridic and Rake?

Town lean rake atm, null on ridic. Don't really know where his heads at yet.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You two think this bolstering by Bardull and Nabe is scummy with how they approached you on your read with me and listing of Kevin.

It's an odd arms length if they were connected to Kevin. How about them and WL?

 

[Furio Tigre]

Oh wait, you're bardull, initially thought it was a mad scummy clear fabrication but I forgot you were part of this hydra, have to think on what this makes you.

Bardull? You must got a case of da toasties, buddy ol' pal! I'll lay it on you so dat you won't make da same mistake again 'cause I'm feelin' nice. I'm Furio Tigre, boss of Tender Lender, da hottest money loaner in da business, an don't you forget dat!

Either way, the chain of events in that thread was I attempted to push to maintain RVS against all the other power players involved, then got into a very public fight with SM over his attempt to use vigging to lead town. Then I died that night. I was never sidelining that game, always in the center.

Now dis ain't true. I jus' reread da first 25 posts of dat game for clarity an you was very clearly sidelinin' a strong majority of dat day phase. You was active at the start, but disappeared for about 18 pages wit idle commentary here and there. I won't deny allegations dat you were in da center from time to time, just as you are now. However, da scum intent from you was dat you wanted to look good in da event dat SM vigged me. Dat argument did not last long at all. Comparatively, you could say dat you are in da center right now, and thus you differentiate from your play in SM64, however the differentiation is dat someone called you out here, and thus it is an ill comparison. Before the call out, you was sidelinin', and I'll pull out da posts to substantiate my point:

Here's the thing that really gets me about Kev, he's concerned about baddies wasting an investigation on him, but those are exactly the kind of people who aren't gonna pick up on the miller crumb, still waiting for a reason why he crumbed as opposed to outright claiming. I really don't like the slot at all.

WL is dirty.

Kantrip remains, incredibly stupid town.

An dis one:

Don't need one, he's not good enough to force a farce of his town behavior without making it glaringly obvious. He's town.

You was otherwise inactive and not getting yourself into the nitty gritty, just providing commentary but not pushin' nuttin'. Dat ain't safe in my book. Dat being said, I'm interested in hearing further testimony from you WRT a substantiated read on Rake and myself. Consider myself sniffin' you 'til you clean as a whistle.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Dis is kinda relevant, but while I was readin' dat PM64 thread, I almost died reading dis Bardull guy! Dis hammer was hilarious an he was right all along about dat Ronike! Somethin' tells me you jus' ain't given him enough credit adum, or you jus' mad 'cause his Marth was hotter than MC Bomber. Youse gonna have to accept that he ain't all dat bad.

Spoiler

Vote: Ronike

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Bardull, lowering posting volume isn't the same as sidelining. My other activities that day were pretty much limited to directly attacking scumreads, attempting to swing a wagon onto ronike (eventually successfully)), and defending you from a potential lynch. There was pretty much null "odd commentary", I merely lowered the amount of posting I was doing.

Even if you could qualify it as "sidelining" when I wasn't posting as much, the fact remains that it's a different kind of sidelining then"idle commentary here and there" which is what you're saying I'm doing now. Furthermore, I started with limited engagement in this game, whereas in the other game, I did the opposite, started with but decreased it and started posting in spurts.


Sorry, my play didn't follow a remotely similar pattern, and I encourage anyone who is interested to read it.

Ya, I think I'm done here.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

You two think this bolstering by Bardull and Nabe is scummy with how they approached you on your read with me and listing of Kevin.

It's an odd arms length if they were connected to Kevin. How about them and WL?

Gut reaction, bardull being dumbtown, again. Not sure what the rest of your post is asking.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Lemme provide a deeper explanation of why that falls flat, if swiss was trying to establish presence and authority, why would who he targeted with an initial suspicion even matter? Town has as much incentive to establish presence as scum does in order to convince town to lynch scum. If the argument was that he was trying to get townpoints by wringing an easy target out, that would be understandable, but he didn't and expressing a suspicion of an easy target in pre-grame doesn't create townpoints.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gut reaction, bardull being dumbtown, again. Not sure what the rest of your post is asking.

If they were scum, don't see them and Kevin.

WL I could see.

What do you think of how Ryker approached Kevin with the miller claim?

 

[Furio Tigre]

Explain please?

Ta me, yer performance in dis game looks town cuz it's diz...das...disparate with how you played scum in BiM. A definite line a' thought showed up there pointin' at you, in retro-aspect if nothin' else. Yer current game just looks like a clownshow, not like a racketjob.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Furio I'd also suggest you respond to the previous questions I asked you. It wouldn't do to avoid questioning now, would it?

No, mine does not.

But I've experimented for years, my guises over this period were tolerated because I made them amusing, fresh and interesting. I also made them effective. People tolerated, allowed and encouraged these because they were new. Yours is not new, not encouraged - I am considering halting you.

My question to you is, do you feel your (clearly forced persona) will affect your ability? I also question how it will improve you. Mine is a reflection of me. Yours is not - it's hollow - it's like Regal Cheese/Swiss (Halo Mafia), from my early days. I'd encourage anyone who wants to see town get outplayed to read that.

Youse some kinda wiseguy? Bringing up dese questions ain't nothin' but an attempt to take me in hand, Swiss. You don't care about dese answers.


"Will it affect your ability?" No. Dere's meat behind my stripes, dere's teeth in my smile, an' youse seen dese same claws before. Dey just have new ownership now.

"Will it improve you?" It won't improve anythin', 'ceptin' my enjoyment ah da tread.


Scum can hide behind a postin' gimmick, an' it makes them think more about what they's sayin'. But I'm sure you'll speak up if you ever think that's the case.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Furio Tigre, I want you to give me your thoughts on Ri**** and Ryker.

Diesel is either badtown/self-centered/posturing, or scum which really means null. Leans a bit, probably dependin' on which head ahda Diesel dragon I'm readin' at the time.
Ryka's flat null, for a lack of posts 'steada Diesel's flurry. I can believe that Jay-Z's crumb was skim-level-obvious for Kanye.

Hmm.

Ri****'s play is very calculated right now.

Like he's stepping through the motions on a argument already made / laid out somewhere else.

Not sure what about it makes me feel this way. This bars investigation

Could you elabi...go inta more detail?

 

[Raziek]

As of this post, BSL replaces WashedLaundry. Please welcome him to the game.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

reading now

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

1. Inferno3044 null town
2. WashedLaundry - scum
3. Red Ruy - town
4. Scylla & Charybdis (adumbrodeus/Swiss hydra)
5. KevinM - Swiss townlean, Adum scumlean
6. Anomandaris_Rake - town
7. traveling cat - null
8. Potassium - town (adum)
9. Furio Tigre (BarDulL/Nabe) - town
10. Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb_01) - null
11. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth) scumlean
12. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo) - null
13. Frozenflame751 - town (adum)

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Inglorious ******* needs to get active or replace.
Tcat also.


BSL/WL slot will die toDay.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Aight, listen up fellas. The tiger's been prowlin' around dis jungle for a quick minute, and now he's hungry. I ain't made use of these paws in a while, so youse all better be ready!

First, I don't like dat Swiss/Adumbrodeus hydra. I don't be liking them since the start 'cause they be spellin' all sorts of wrong wit me! Here's a couple things of note dat I was seein' dat made me sniff twice:

1. Swiss' early distaste for RR. Granted dat dis happened pre-game, but der was no reason to dislike RR as 'e had his screwed on da way it's always screwed on when he's Town. Dat being said, it ain't make sense why TownSwiss would try to build a power position in the Town while pickin' on the wrong people, youse all see? There is more to the story though, I ain't done yet. Den what didn't make sense was dat Adum disagreed wit Swiss' distaste and said dat he liked RR and felt RR was obvTown! Dat ain't smell right! Smell more like Adum tryin'a clean up da spilled glass dat almost nobody heard in case people decided to look back again at Swiss, youse guys know what I'm sayin'? Da fact is dat Swiss' distaste for RR wasn't entirely necessary at da time and dis discrepancy wit Adum is weird!

2. Adum side of the hydra fits his scum play from Paper Mario 64 mafia. I ain't pullin' no strings or tryin'a get money either, dis guy don't owe me nuttin'! Adum has been mostly sidelinin' and bein' transparent wit his play albeit providin' accurate observations of da events dat occurred. Dis is a 99% puzzle piece fit an I ain't have no qualms seein' dat slot sleep wit da fishies, you know what I'm sayin'? Look again if you don't believe me, I'll pull out PM64 if I have to!

Secondly, I ain't likin' Kevin's crumb. Dat's like leavin' your finger prints at da scene of the crime! I'm also not likin' his reasonin' for doin' it, an also 'cause man dat was one of the most obvious crumbs I EVER seen, even I ain't dat sloppy. Let's jus' say KevMo ain't high on the totem pole at the moment 'cause my claws are in reach! I will also profess dat I disliked the way he tried to handle the situation by tryin'a play' off the pressure the way he did, however I will confess tho dat while the scum intent is obvious, it's transparent, but I ain't disregarding it from the get go, know what I'm sayin'? I'm lookin' for some reads from you Kev, I want names. Would you be ok with the lynch of dat fake mobster domo-kun?

Thirdly, and the rest will hafta be for later 'cause I got a bus to catch for a loan appointment in not too long from now, but dat RR guy is fine in my book. Lets jus' say dat I would loan him a few wit a low interest rate, know what I'm sayin'? Dat Kantrip guy also seemin' like he got off the wrong foot wit a lot of people, but it reminds me of post BiM Kantrip. Give it a look if you don't catch my drift.

If any of you foos got questions, I got answers for ya once I ain't busy makin' dat dough!

Which head is this?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Bardull, lowering posting volume isn't the same as sidelining. My other activities that day were pretty much limited to directly attacking scumreads, attempting to swing a wagon onto ronike (eventually successfully)), and defending you from a potential lynch. There was pretty much null "odd commentary", I merely lowered the amount of posting I was doing.

Even if you could qualify it as "sidelining" when I wasn't posting as much, the fact remains that it's a different kind of sidelining then"idle commentary here and there" which is what you're saying I'm doing now. Furthermore, I started with limited engagement in this game, whereas in the other game, I did the opposite, started with but decreased it and started posting in spurts.


Sorry, my play didn't follow a remotely similar pattern, and I encourage anyone who is interested to read it.

Ya, I think I'm done here.

Towntell

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Back & reading up

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Gheb you need to justify Kantrip scum. Adum is resolute that he is town.

Produce content and err away from blather.

Gheb and JTB both agreed that they don't care about adum's opinions. If he's resolute Kantip's town then he should point out where IR's arguments have failed or stfu and let you do the work. Especially the connection between Kantrip and Laundry, you have gone in depth on it yourself.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Summary of Ghebs & JTBs reads:

- Both still think Kantrip needs to die but Laundrys actions make more sense from a scum pov. Replacing out is lame too. Kantrip can still get vigged. Not sure why nobody else took note of Kantrip + Laundry making so much sense as a scumteam. Pretty sure there were people even hinting at the opposite.
Unvote Vote BSL

- Rake has talked a lot without making things happen. His reads seem to be pretty much completely up in the air still. We want to see more clear pro-town intent from him before reading him as town, right now his play leaves a lot to be desired.

- Furios attempts to make things happen and make reads available by not following popular opinions are very much appreciated. Don't think his S&C read was / is on point but at the very least weve got solidified pro-town reads for both slots and that's worth a lot with Bardull's and Swiss's natural inclination to make things mucky.

- Frozens hesitation to vote one of Kevins wagoners doesnt make sense to either of us. We agree with him that Kevin's not scummy and that it's very likely that at least one of them people that voted him should be scum. Frozen has already voiced a clear dislike for Kantrips play so what has him hesitating still? BSLslot wagon is also looking like an attractive solution so next time frozen shows up he should be ready to drop a vote.

- Extremely disappointed by tcat's inactivity especially since Gheb vouched for her to be good to join. Her, alongside Ryker and and Kantrip are the favored vig targets.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

1. Inferno3044 null town
2. WashedLaundry - scum
3. Red Ruy - town
4. Scylla & Charybdis (adumbrodeus/Swiss hydra)
5. KevinM - Swiss townlean, Adum scumlean
6. Anomandaris_Rake - town
7. traveling cat - null
8. Potassium - town (adum)
9. Furio Tigre (BarDulL/Nabe) - town
10. Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb_01) - null
11. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth) scumlean
12. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo) - null
13. Frozenflame751 - town (adum)

@ Ryu - needs to provide much more content. Hating on Kantrip is justified but too easy. Null
@ Rake - nothing that strikes us as pro-town. He's also null
@ Ridic - town read, most of the attacks against him have looked pretty weak
@ frozen - null for reason stated above

The rest looks good to us, except adum's reads on Kantrip and Kevin.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

That ridick town read is bad ad you should feel bad.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*is

What the **** is ad

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*and.

This day is starting so well

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Gheb and JTB both agreed that they don't care about adum's opinions. If he's resolute Kantip's town then he should point out where IR's arguments have failed or stfu and let you do the work. Especially the connection between Kantrip and Laundry, you have gone in depth on it yourself.

Earning the hydra name I see, we're not lynching Kantrip unless you can provide a solid reason that he's scum and not simply being dumb.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

And no, we're not vigging him either.

 

[traveling cat]

Spoiler

Kantrip is townlean. The 'backpedaling' during pregame over a joke/not joke seems incredibly blown out of proportions by IR. His vote on Kev was pretty opportunistic and the only thing I would find suspicious, but it's not a garunteed scumtell as I did the same in Earthbound Mafia and was Town.

Rake is most obvious town here. Active, plenty of out good input, and questions. Also does a good job of diffusing and sorting the situation than stirring **** up.

RR is scumlean. Fixated on Kantrip being scum, has WL as #2 because...I'm not sure what, and has been wishy-washy on his Kevin read. Going through all his posts, he goes through softening the suspicions on Kevin saying how it could have been town, I'm thinking about it's intent, and has questioned votes on Kevin (1 from Boatcha, 1 from Kantrip, and 1 from Scylla). I also did not like his posts on page 8 and 9. His posts were made antagonizing an already pressured player. There was nothing helpful that could have come from that.

Ridik is null. I've not enjoyed the 'this head, that head' hydra excuse. I do agree with Rake that his play is held back and odd. There's been a lot of posts from him, but none of them have stood out at all when I try to recall his stance. Except him bringing us back to Kantrip's vote which as been talked about plenty.

KevinM still nullscum. I'm not analyzing the intent behind it because there's too much WIFOM there. What it has accomplish is a bunch of useless miller + crumb vs claim discussion that hasn't convinced me how someone who jumped on is/isn't scum. Hasn't done anything else but argue in circles with WL and vote Kantrip for voting him.

Boatcha...where is he? :/ Earlier game is pretty null

FF is town. His callout on Kantrip's vote was more productive than RR's. #428 is spot on and has matched my feeling on the situation.

WL is scumlean. Comes back in page 8 to bring us back to Kev's by stating what's already been stated by Boatcha. Also gives a lot of johns when he comes/leaves, which I never like. Waiting to see how replacement is.

Scylla is town. Takes charge and makes it very clear why WL is scum (as opposed to IR). Would sheep on wagons.

Inferno's inactive scum on gut alone. I facepalmed at #427 so hard. Where da'fuq is he going with these questions at Kanty??? And he points out how I made a salty vote worse than Kantrip, despite the fact that I stated in the same post what I don't like about Kev and how he's a scumlean? What's the easiest thing an inactive can do to make themselves look helpful. Point out how an equally inactive player who nobody has looked at before is suspicious.

El Tigre...there is a point where roleplaying a character goes too far. I'm going to need a reverse Gizoogle to decipher his posts. :| Early Days posts are more focused on questions pointed at him. His case on Scylla way later is out of nowhere and is based on the meta of the hydra's head differences in pre-game? Case is not clear, and I'm not researching a previous game to follow a meta point. Null.

IR is null. Early game has him pushing Kanty, which was fine, followed by a period of inactivity. One post at #408 calling everyone dumbasses, saying Kant and WL are exceedingly scummy together based on their interactions alone and should be lynched for that reason. Leaves without providing the proof and telling us to do our own homework on the case. I don't know how he expects people to follow like that. I'm sure scum would have made a more persuasive argument.

To sum:
1. Inferno3044: Scum
2. WashedLaundry: Scumlean
3. Red Ruy: Scumlean
4. Scylla & Charybdis (adumbrodeus/Swiss hydra): Town
5. KevinM: Nullscum
6. Anomandaris_Rake: Town
7. traveling cat: Town
8. Potassium: Townlean
9. Furio Tigre (BarDulL/Nabe): Null
10. Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb_01): Null
11. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth): Null
12. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo): Null
13. Frozenflame751: Town

Unvote I'm for lynching WL, but I do want to see how the replacement is.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Do not fall into the common trap of not lynching a slot based on the fact it replaced.

Scumtells are scumtells and we lynch the slot, not the person.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

reading again

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

"most obvious town here"

if I were scum, I'd be laughing my ass off

 

[Kantrip]

I like tcat's notes actually. Reasoning isn't taken from anywhere else, meaning it's her own, and I think it's generally intuitive so cool stuff there.

IR/S&C unlikely scumteam. "Earning the hydra name, I see" could be good distancing but IR quoting S&C's reads to show differences is a strong connection scumbuddies would be hesitant to make. Either TvT or SvT, not SvS. Leaning town on S&C, scum on IR.

Rake town for good questions, a clear head, and reading me correctly

Conflicted on Red Ruy, leaning tunneling townie based on the fact that, while he is constantly annoying me with "die Kantrip" comments, he is still asking questions about other issues and it shows the tunneling on me isn't scum-motivated.

Furio's approach to S&C is confusing me and something I will need to reread to judge.

Rid**** scum read based on previously stated qualms.

Letting KevinM read breathe for now.

Everyone else is null. I want to reread and look for everything that makes people want WL/BSL dead.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Vote: BSL.

waaaaagooooon-hoooooooooooooo