Gheb's crazy auction mafia | Game over, Mafia wins

[~ Gheb ~]

Bid phase is over!

Jdietz gets the 2x Rolestopper add-on for 20K.
Maven gets the BP Vest for 20K
JayTheUnseen gets the Toy Hammer for 20K.

Day 2 starts, with 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!
Deadline: last minute of Sunday, 4.12 GMT

 

[Kursed]

Vote: Jaytheunseen

 

[Maven89]

Vote: JaytheUnseeen

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Do not hammer until deadline, anyone. If Jay being lynched is a foregone conclusion, then that means we have an entire Day of non-Jay discussion ahead of us.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This is not the response I was hoping for.

Other than Laundry, who else?

Looking at Orbo, Maven, and Kursed. But not very hard.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

For the last time, I did not know or assume you wouldn't play like that. I warned against that because I wanted you not to be the guy in the background on everyone's null list. That's what I meant by "nebulous" play because that's how you play when you are playing the PR/Mafia game. I don't think you're a moron. I think you're a snake.

A very stupid snake, then.

If you are under the assumption that I am competent at mafia to the extent of, "I think you are a snakey master manipulator villain creature," then that means you don't think that I choose my playstyle at random, but rather that I put thought into it, that I have some motivation behind the choices I make.

You define "nebulous play", in the quote above, as "how you [Nabe] play when you [Nabe] are playing the PR/Mafia game." So, playing "nebulously" would get me lynched in this game, immediately, because there is no role in this set-up on which to hang that ambiguity. It's a foregone conclusion that I would not choose to play that way, and you did not avoid that conclusion, because you made the statement, "I will lynch you if you play that way."

Question: Why would you lynch me if I played that way?
The Only Answer: Because there is no possible motivation to play that way, as any role in this game.

It would be impossible for you to tell me that you would lynch me if I played that way without knowing that I would have no reason to play that way. Therefore, you knew that I would not play that way.

A question arises: why would you tell me that you would lynch me if I played that way, when you knew I wouldn't play that way? But when I began to try to sort that out, you denied knowing that I wouldn't play that way. That lie renders the question moot, coming back to the set-up once again -- there is no town motive to lie here. And if you somehow made any sort of mistake in your wording, or if you thought I played mafia like a wet sack, admitting either of those would clear up the problem immediately. But having denied both of those, I cannot possibly accept that you are not scum.


@ #HBC | Ryker

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I want to hear from Dietz about his rolestopper. I want to hear from ryker but I get the feeling he's gonna pull the "I'm not gonna reread and just keep saying I will" thing he does whenever he replaces in. Outside of that, I'm willing to end the day.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@ #HBC | Nabe I'll talk to you when you come out of your topspin. At this point, you"re just going in circles refusing to see the truth.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Quote train for Ryker:

Spoiler

@ #HBC | Nabe you can't play the nebulous "I'm a PR or I'm mafia" game you love to play so if I see any inkling of you playing that sort of game, I'm lynching you on the spot.

What exactly are you doing with this post?

Draw you into the public eye so you don't hide in the shadows like you normally want to do.

No, that reason doesn't fit. If you actually expected me to come in being "nebulous", exhibiting some tell that in your opinion demonstrates me being PR/mafia, in a game where there is no possibility of me being a PR, then you're tossing out a potential mafia tell by voicing it prior to my play.

But to begin with, I seriously doubt that you would have ever expected me to play that way, because there are no PRs, and it wouldn't be a viable strategy for VT or mafia without hidden PRs in the game. ** If you simply wanted me to play an active game, you would have said, "Don't lurk."

So you're posting on the second layer, wherein you know I'm not going to post that way. And the only motivation I can think of for such a post would be to posture for other players with empty intimidation. Am I wrong?



** (The only role for which there might be any sort of rationale for such a playful strategy is as traitor, flirting the line to show mafia who you are while not getting lynched by town -- but you threw any potential of using it as a tell out the window, so that never crossed your mind to begin with.)

You're wrong because you assumed too much. To me, being in the background and saying little is your standard fair, but you seem to have a knack for drawing a PR or a mafia role pm along with it so it works for you. That was, effectively, a roundabout way of saying "don't lurk or i'll murder you". I was trying to cut you off from playing like that in the first place specifically to draw you out and see if you were going to play the game or not.

It worked. Thanks Nabe.

Why did you use "a roundabout way" of saying that?

Because I was being specific. I was calling attention to your style of play. Saying "don't lurk" doesn't completely cover it, because you can still make posts while still being tantalizingly safe/null/buzzword/etc.

After some thought, I'm still not satisfied here. @ #HBC | Laundry

You specifically warned me not to play in a way that you've observed in my meta, in games that have room for ambiguity. You said that playing in the background is my standard fare, but that I "seem to have a knack for drawing a PR or a mafia role pm along with it so it works" for me. But this game has no room for ambiguity: it's VTs/Traitor/Mafia. If I were to play "as if I were PR/mafia" in a game with no PRs, I would be lynched. There would be no possibility of it "working" for me. So there would be absolutely no reason for me to play in such a way, and (again) I do not believe that you could have thought that I would play in such a way. I think that it's impossible for that thought to have occurred to you in the way that you say it did, and as such I think your explanation of the motivation behind your post is flawed, if not a lie.

Reaching way too far into this to pull out a reason to distrust me. You play in the background. There's no point related to the set-up itself, no "you should've known better because it doesn't work in this set-up", etc., because my call-out wasn't related to that. I don't want you in the shadows. I don't trust Gorf to lynch you on D3 when I'm dead. I don't want you to hide in the shadows until just the right item comes along for you to pull a massive power play for scum. I see no reason to trust you because your entire play this game has been to gun for that stinkbug among a bunch of other players and then to yell at me for putting a spotlight on you. Point blank, if there's a slot that scares me in this game, it's you. It's not Gorf, Gorf can expose himself. I'm doing everything in my power to shrink your hiding spots so that you play the game or you die. It's that simple.

Look at you now. You're interaction with this game is to be grumpy with me for doing exactly that. I have no way to read you for it. You're doing exactly what I said you could do: hiding in broad daylight.

Bull****. You said "nebulous, as if you were PR/mafia". The setup is tied to your words.

Combative -- you're upping the ante reflexively. Doing "everything in [your] power" is a gross exaggeration. We've exchanged 5-6 posts in 24 hours, and none of your posting in the interim has had anything to do with me. If you're town, then instead of bullying tactics, give what I said about your motivation more thought.

No. You don't get to use my play after the fact to justify what you said about my previous play (meta).

No, it's not. You're tying it to my words, not me. The entire purpose of that call-out was that I don't want you hiding, playing vague, or not answering things. The long and short of that, which you don't seem to grasp, is I don't want you riding the fence and being ultimately inactive and null. I referenced those games because those are the most extreme examples of you doing it--Wal-Mart, Luigi's Mansion, and Elements and Attributes are all examples of you playing that way, but they've become such the norm for you from my perspective that that is the way you play this game. The set-up loses any sort of meaning as a result because that, to me, is your normal play. What doesn't matter is what games you did it in--what does is that I don't want you doing it here. This game is wrought with potential for all sorts of power plays based on what I know about the items and I'd be pretty happy knowing that you never get one.

And if you're town, stop tacking words and motives into my slot. I've been very direct and, most importantly, consistent about what the nature of that call-out was. If you look over my posts, it hasn't changed, and yet you continue to fight with me over it as if I'm scum for trying to put a spotlight on a player with a history of manipulation and lurking. Maybe then you'll stop trying to call me scum over grammar.

No but I damn well get to use it to try to lynch you.

So your argument here is, you think I am a bad player. And in fact, your opinion of my play is so low that it doesn't seem like a leap of logic to you that I would play "nebulously", "as if [ I ] were a PR/mafia" in a game with no PRs. In other words, you think I'm an idiot, and that fact in your mind justifies a separation between the circumstances of the game and what you imagined would be my playstyle for that game, prior to my making a single post.

Consistency isn't credit to your alignment when the thing you're doing consistently is to consistently suggest that you said one thing, but meant something else. As I said prior, I think the actual motivation behind your "spotlight" on me is to posture for town by looking like you're calling out a player who, in your eyes, would fulfill that behaviour based on prior play, and thus wouldn't object to being used.

Yes, I suspect that's the point of your play.

And once again your conception of how I'm responding to you changes miraculously. Where did I say you were bad or that I thought you were bad? Why would I point-blank admit that I'm scared of you ****ing over town if I thought you didn't have the potential to do that? This entire paragraph is ridiculous starting from the first sentence based on that notion.

top kek

Except that's not it. I said I will lynch you if you play like that because there's no basis for that type of play. The motive, which I have consistently stated, was to call you out. I didn't want you on the fence, sitting squarely in people's nulls until you had made a move because I don't want to gamble on you being town. That's why I'm afraid of you, or rather what you would do given time to make a play, because you will reveal so little of your intentions that I'm left guessing if that play helps town or not, often until it's too late.

What I was met with was one hell of a defensive response. I was told that my reasons were actually this and not what I was saying. I explained and then I was told that my reasons for calling you out were different than what you just said. I continue to explain to you my point of view and you keep changing what you think my motives are. It's like you're continuing to throw **** at me and hope that something sticks so that others can call me out on it. All I wanted to do was try to read you as a player. I was trying to prevent you from being null like you so love to do. That's what that term "nebulous" was relating to. Instead, you want to paint me as scum for even trying to do that and keep fabricating reasons as to why I am.

vote: Nabe

You have nothing.

Again. What in your mind justifies the separation between the actual circumstances of the setup and the way I would play that setup? That is the core question at the centre of my interaction with you. If your justification isn't, "Nabe is a bad player who doesn't choose a playstyle in a logical way," (and if you don't think that there is a fundamental problem with your wording) then you could not have ANY justification for your leap in logic, and must therefore be lying.

There's absolutely no basis for that type of play, because as you said in your very first post towards me, that type of play is centered on the ambiguity between PRs/mafia in the game. This game has no ambiguity. You could not have possibly thought that I would play in the way you claim to have thought I would.

...
Why did you choose this game, of all games, to stop me from choosing a specific playstyle when you couldn't have expected me to logically choose that playstyle, given the circumstances of the setup?

The fact that you play in the background regardless of alignment. The fact that you barely post and often avoid conflict until the exact right time. This doesn't relate to what role you draw; it relates to the fact that you love to sit on the damn fence until you see an opportunity that's perfect to take. How many times do I have to explain this before it crosses your mind that maybe I actually mean what I've been telling you?

I am not a liar. You're the one who's jumping to every conclusion without considering the possibility that what I'm saying is true. You're so deadset on the fact that I called you out because I used the words "PR/Mafia" that you're failing to look at my intent. You've so warped my intentions that you no longer want to accept what I'm saying. And then you tell me that I'm the one baiting you to look scummy?

Once again: The. Set-up. Means. Jack. ****ing. ****. In. That. Call-Out.

Do you get it yet? There's no specific playstyle to call out because I don't see you alter that playstyle. Ever. Your meta, as far as I'm aware, is to sit in the background and wait. You barely post, you don't really push cases, you're never really around to argue with if anyone calls you out. You toe the activity line better than anyone on the site. Saying "PR/Mafia" was a poor choice in words on my part but I wasn't trying to forbid you from playing that dichotomy, I was trying to forbid you from being the nullest player in the game until D3 when Gorf and I are dead and no one's around to push you.

Jegus, Nabe.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm willing to end the day.

Not a ****ing chance.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Vote: JayTheUnseen

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Not a ****ing chance.

At this point, I've done my job. If you wanna lynch me tomorrow, go right a ****ing head. If you're town, you're throwing the game for your alignment because town will come directly for you once I flip town. If you're scum, whatever ezpz win I guess. I'm done arguing with you. You refuse to see any other possibility and are dead set on me lying. Others have said this is ********. I'm not dealing with you anymore because this isn't going anywhere. I want jay's flip now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Do not hammer until deadline, anyone. If Jay being lynched is a foregone conclusion, then that means we have an entire Day of non-Jay discussion ahead of us.

any day that ends in a mafia lynch is not a waste.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Jaytheunseen

 

[JayTheUnseen]

JAYTHEUNSEEN'S WILL

Town, kindly don't let Laundry get away with not explaining why he didn't use the stinkbug last Night. 
His response to questionings about it will be a huge clue in his alignment.
He had no reason NOT to use it. There's the 'didn't want to put it on a townie,' but he seemed pretty sure of Nabe's alignment, and judging from Laundry's play, he wouldn't bother considering he was incorrect on his target being scum.


Also, if lynch Laundry, don't let his flip change your Nabe read too much. Nabe could be tunneling Laundry from either side.
Laundry's treatment of Ryu is pretty interesting if Laundry is scum. "Ryu's scummy but we shouldn't lynch him."

Outside of these 3, there's Zalak and Kursed, whom I have as solid town for both. Don't let Zalak off too easily though.

Then we have the null crew, Orbo, Dietz, and Maven. Keep your eye on these 3. Ryu's post count may not be much better than these, and I'm not judging them from post count, but from content. Ryu has clear intents despite not having very many posts, but these 3 don't have very clear intent.

At least 1 scum is almost 100% certain lurking in there.

Then there's Ryker, he's null for now.

Good luck town. With the way game this has been going, you'll need it to win.

If scum team is any of Laundry/Ryker, Laundry/Nabe, Ryker/Nabe, it'll be tough to bring them down, cause these guys know how to play mafia.

I repeat, please get Laundry to answer at least SOME of my earlier questions tomorrow, especially the stink bug question.

You're right Nabe, theoretically there's content to be gained from this day, but I don't think things are gonna move on till I'm dead. Besides, there's still Ryker and Zalak; they'll vote me as soon as they come on. I'll just go ahead and vote myself here.

Vote JayTheUnseen

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Since the text in the code didn't have the effects applied that I wanted...
Please get Laundry to answer at least SOME of my earlier questions tomorrow, especially the stink bug question.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If you flip town, I'm looking straight at Laundry.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Whole game's gonna ruy, don't waste your breath.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I didn't use the stinkbug because I wasn't sure. I was skeptical of the neighborhood but I was going on a whim and gorf flipped town, leaving me at square one. Sue me for not using it because I didn't see a good target.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

That's all you're getting outta me. I don't buy questions from a guy who only starts pressing as soon as he gets bingo'd. That's shady as ****.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ryker has to read the game still, do not hammer. This has nothing to do with the Jay lynch, which is obviously going to happen. We're not going to throw away an entire Day phase.

 

[Kursed]

Ryker has to read the game still, do not hammer. This has nothing to do with the Jay lynch, which is obviously going to happen. We're not going to throw away an entire Day phase.

I agree with red that a mafia lynch is not a day wasted. Lynch jay and if jay flips mafia i am in favour of hammering laundry tommorow. We can't leave this hanging

 

[Zalak]

Vote: JayTheUnseen

 

[~ Gheb ~]

JayTheUnseen [6] - Kursed, Maven89, WashedLaundry, RedRyu, JayTheUnseen, Zalak;

Not voting: Ryker, Nabe, Jdietz, Orboknown;


JayTheUnseen [Vanilla Townie] has been lynched.
Day 2 ends, Night 2 begins. Send in all Night Actions until the last minute of Thursday 4.9 GMT
No more posting!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Zalak [Vanilla Townie] has been killed!

Bid phase 3 begins!

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We're back for yet another round of bids, folks. Get your cash ready because we have some amazing items for you in petto this time. Let's have a look, shall we:

... the first item ...

... is a 2x Tracker add-on. An add-on that allows you to track not only one but two people at once. The amount of information you can gain from this handy little thing is straight-up unbelievable! You'll get so much information and control over the Nigh phase out of it - the mere thought of it already makes my head spin! Seriously, if you haven't blown all your money yet you have no excuse to not throw in the minimum bid of 5000.

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... the next item ...

... is a Voteblocker add-on. A nasty little item - one-shot only but absolutely devastating if used correctly. With this thing in your hands you can not only put on massive pressure but also take unlikable dudes out of commsion for a while. High risk, high reward for sure but hey - no risk, no fun! Definitely nothing to toy around with for a newbie but incredibly powerful in the hands of an experienced player and perfectly affordable at a minimum bid of 5000.

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... and the final item for today ...

... is a 3x First Aid Box. Holy cow, this item! I did not kid you when I said that today's items are amazing. Voteblocking and 2x tracking is already quite a huge deal but this one definitely takes the cake. Protect not one and not two - no, protect up to thre players at once. Can you believe it? I don't think I even need to say any more than that, this item speaks for itself. And here's the best part of it: for a bid of no more than 7500 it can be all yours! Don't miss it!

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Money: Maven89 - 0, Orboknown - 20K, Red Ryu - 20K, Ryker - 20K, Dietz - 0, Nabe - 20K, Kursed - 20K, Laundry -0;
Deadline: last minute of Sunday, 4.12 GMT

 

[Orboknown]

Bid 20k on tracker addon

 

[Orboknown]

Ryker whatchu think bout laundry now

 

[Orboknown]

Kursed should buy the doc.
Use it on at least me

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think we might need to pull a hearts mafia and end laundry right when the phases he might be lying and I do not like how he roleblocked and yet no kill happens.

On top of that we don't know if he is telling the truth that stinkbug is a double hated item or when he can use it if it it was used.

I see a plan working for him as scum doing what he did and after that flip I am not comfortable with him at all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dietz who did you use your item on? If at all?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We seriously might need to pull a hearts mafia play on laundry if he used stink bug.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker whatchu think bout laundry now

Kill him.

Bid 20k on First Aid if I can use it on myself.

@MOD Can I target myself with the First Aid Med

 

[Orboknown]

Kill him.

Bid 20k on First Aid if I can use it on myself.

@MOD Can I target myself with the First Aid Med

I'm game. Heavy dislike thhe rb shenanigans after jays flip

 

[Orboknown]

Sidenote~lets no ql right iut the gate again today

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We might have to considering he has the stinkbug

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

SON OF A *****.

Vote Laundry

FoS Orbo for stalling a lynch.

Stinkbug is -2. Majority is 5. 8 players remaining. 8-1 for lynch is 7. 7-1 for NKill is 6. 3 versus 3 is game.


VOTE LAUNDRY NOW!!!

@ Zalak @ #HBC | Red Ryu @ Orboknown @ #HBC | Nabe

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ok, bid phase, I'm cool. I'm chill.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Votes do not count til the timeframe listed that Gheb.

I asked Ghen about it and he said he would count votes at that time even if he didn't post it was ok.

Paraphrased mind you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I REALLY hate Orbo grabbing the Track with no discussion and not wanting to lynch quickly after I looked at the map.

Alex is scum. We lynch Laundry out of the gate.

I don't know who number 3 is likely to be. I haven't read the thread and I intended not to, but I probably need to.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wish jay didn't snipe the hammer if he was going to die anyways, ugg.

I thought he was scum partly because he did that.