Gheb's crazy auction mafia | Game over, Mafia wins

[Zalak]

I just kinda wanted it, because my lingering modvote concerns me, even though it really shouldn't.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Jdietz has offered the maximum bid of 20000 and will thus receive the 2x Rolestopper add-on at the end of the bid phase.
Maven has offered the maximum bid of 20000 and will thus receive the BP Vest at the end of the bid phase.

Current bids:

Toy Hammer - 9K [Zalak]

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

A guy claimed traitor in your neighborhood, okay, fine, why did you tell the thread? Despite this, it didn't seem to influence your read on Zalak whatsoever as you walked in and said he's town, so, again, why tell the thread? Then you claim that it was because the Neighborhood is worthless which, even if Jay is barely partaking and you townread the other guy, that's false as **** because you can still talk to the two, improve reads, formulate plans, and convince others in a private setting. Then you also claimed that it's to dodge the NK, as if you were far more likely to draw that than myself or Zalak, but, had you actually been town, saying you were in the Neighborhood was going to get yourself killed (I think, providing killing Zalak didn't end the neighborhood), if not increasing the likeliness of that chance.

You've misunderstood. I claimed the neighbourhood to avoid the NK in the possibility that Zalak was mafia, scouting for the traitor by claiming traitor. He couldn't have really been traitor, because if he'd misread his role PM he would have claimed to me and Jay immediately -- so mafia and town were the only options. But if I was the townie in a mafia-traitor-townie neighbourhood, then I was 100% going to get shot, and thus put down without the information getting into the open. After claiming, motivation for mafia!Zalak to kill me goes away as a result, because shooting me afterwards would look like a townie being eliminated from a private conversation for mafia-traitor to talk.

The traitor claim from Zalak completely influenced my read on Zalak; my analysis of his potential reasoning for the claim as every alignment was discussed when both Zalak and Jay re-posted it from the QT. I don't know how you could have missed that, since it referenced the same "ARE NABE AND JAY MAFIA PARTNERS?!" post that you later quoted. In my analysis, I said that Zalak was very likely given the idea by that post (which was eight hours prior to his traitor claim in the QT) and was probably excited to get his feet wet in mafia. Zalak later said that his strange behaviour in the Neighbourhood overall was because the Neighbourhood was making him paranoid about me and Jay, but that still seems like a reasonable explanation to me, and I don't think they're mutually exclusive explanations.

The neighbourhood was worthless because of Zalak's awkward posting (which he explains as being fueled by paranoia) and because Jay wasn't posting during the Day (and said he wasn't sure how to make best use of the neighbourhood). Discussion was basically off the table.


Last Night, Jay said that Ryu convincing Zalak to hammer was scummy. I asked him for a posthumous stance on your Gorf reasoning from D1, and he said he found some of it to be undeniably true, but that some of it was exaggeration. He said he needed to reread to be more specific than that. I can get behind a Jay lynch (although I'd be forced to if I weren't), but I'm not going to make any assumptions based on the roleblock. If Jay flips scum, you're still scum, because none of my logic has changed or been refuted in any way. You being scum is the only explanation that fits your lie.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Jay, after not knowing how to read the neighborhood thread, magically figured it out and confirmed as much as soon as Nabe posted the gambit.

No. Jay said in the neighbourhood that he didn't know how to make best use of it. To my knowledge, no one has ever said that Jay literally didn't know how to use it.

@ #HBC | Nabe Can you explain more of what you and Zalak said in your neighborhood?

- Gheb tells us we can talk privately
- Jay says hello
- Zalak says hello
- Zalak lists Laundry/Gorf/Rosalina/Kursed as giving scum vibes, says he created the neighbourhood quickly because he thought he would die, says he chose Jay and I because he thought we were most unlikely to be mafia
- I say I'm content since I'm in the neighbourhood and didn't spend money to do so, and ask why Jay and I are most unlikely to be mafia
- Zalak says he agrees with most of our posts, and that we haven't done anything to cause him to be suspicious of us (yet)
- Zalak asks what people think about Laundry
- Zalak says he's going to be pressuring Laundry hard, and asks that we "keep him in line" if he's not making any sense
- I say that I didn't like Laundry's play thus far (the 30th, ~3:30 p.m.) and that I think Laundry sidestepped my logic, but that I don't want to pursue him as scum unless he doesn't die after Night 1, since if town he's NK fodder with two roles
- 19 hours later I talk about not taking my own advice, and talk about Laundry meta and debate tactics; ask for more details, it's long and Zalak already covered it once in-thread
- Zalak says that I need to get my activity up, and that Laundry isn't the only player in the game
- Zalak asks if we find it interesting that he chose me and Jay w.r.t. our alignments
- I say I don't understand
- Zalak says "don't you?"
- Jay says he hasn't been posting in the neighbourhood because he doesn't know how to use it best and thinks it'll just be a distraction for him
- Zalak says he'll stop being coy, he's the traitor and we (Jay and I) are mafia
- I make my analysis about the three possibilities for Zalak's motivation for claiming traitor, and settle on him being town with the caveat that I will be claiming the Neighbourhood by the end of the Day "to ensure that they can't get away with shooting me"
- Zalak says relax, I'm not such a noob as to neighbourize townies, go ahead and reveal
- Zalak asks if we really think a townie could possibly have guessed both of us (Jay and I) as mafia so early on
- Jay says he thinks Ryu convincing Zalak to hammer was max scummy
- I say it seems off but I think Ryu's play has been non-norm in general, and ask for Jay's stance on Laundry's specific arguments about Gorf, since he gave a general read on Laundry and Gorf when asked the same in-thread
- Jay says some of it was undeniably true, but some might be exaggerated, and after a re-read he'll come back with more detail
- Zalak says Laundry and Ryu are looking very scummy, he feels dumb for hammering Gorf, thought there wouldn't be time for any other lynch
- I ask Zalak his read on Orbo, and ask why he said he didn't like Jay's post 864
- Zalak says he doesn't know what to think about Orbo

 

[JayTheUnseen]

There's not a thing I can possibly read that will convince me not to lynch you with a roleblock bingo claim on a N1 no kill.

See ya nerd.

I was referring mostly for the game's distant future, not saving myself.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh, Nabe finally appeared. I'll tear that wall down as soon as I get back. You already ****ed up within the first line.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

The entirety of everything nabe just said in a nutshell:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vubw2q44FQ

:186;

 

[JayTheUnseen]

>Logs on
>8 alerts
>All from jay

k

I was on Wii U, buddy. Formatting a huge post is kind of tough on there.

So why the **** do you wanna give him what he wants? Just ignore him.

Why am I not surprised you plan to ignore my points, lol.
That arrogance.
Now I understand where Nabe was coming from. Antagonizing Laundry is a pain because he looks down his nose at everything you say.

I repeat, WHY did you not use Stinkbug when you were so sure you were dead?
Be careful voting in the future, townies. Laundry can hammer two votes early if he suddenly uses the Stinkbug. He won't use it on me, of course, because the train on me has enough steam to get to Mars, just be careful after that.

Bid 20,000 on Rolestopper

I ain't EVEN playing around with the idea of scum getting that one.

Hopefully I don't live to regret that snap decision, but it seemed like the right one to just grab it before it got to anyone weird.

Because you're confirmed town right? The last thing we need is another Laundry running around being considered confirmed town just because he stuck his neck out and got a good item.

I ****ING KNEW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS WHACK

Of course you did.
I sure don't remember you saying that before.

Laundry's posts in this game are based off of two things:

1:Everyone should assume he's town
2:He's right about everything

Funny thing about 2 is that he hasn't been right about anything of import all game.

Go ahead and laugh at all these posts, and also laugh at Laundry ignoring all my points. They'll be important when I flip town and everyone stops taking everything Laundry says as trustworthy, and I sincerely hope you will all push these points at that time.

Also, Laundry's play is pretty good if he's traitor, it's actually more likely he's traitor then scum, I think. Mind you, I'm not 100% sure he's scum/traitor. I just don't know why he refuses to entertain the idea scum didn't NK.

Vote 20000 on Hammer

I'm dead anyways, may as well get my hands on SOMETHING while my cash lasts.

Also to go ahead and jump into the lynch phase, so y'all can give me the 'hardbody' treatment.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Jay's role blocked throughout the day so that was the perfect spot for it to gom ty jay, pls die now

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh, Nabe finally appeared. I'll tear that wall down as soon as I get back. You already ****ed up within the first line.

"finally"

Feel free to illuminate once again how simple truths are, in fact, complicated lies specifically designed as a "power play" with clear and present scum motives (that you can't explain). I'll be in the corner (where I do so rightly belong), looking the part with my top hat and curly villain's moustache.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Jay's role blocked throughout the day so that was the perfect spot for it to gom ty jay, pls die now

Foolish mistake on my part, but I have no regrets. Scum can't get it now ( as harmless as it is, ) so it isn't in vain.

 

[Maven89]

Yeah I still don't understand why Laundry and Jdietz are even saying that Jay being scum impacts the rest of the neighborhood, that just seems ******** and none of them have given a single shred of evidence to back it up, yet they're treating it like it's confirmed true. Talk me through this very simply because I don't see where you guys are getting this

 

[Kursed]

When everyone buys an item: "AT LEAST SCUM CAN'T GET IT"

Considering...

Laundry has both a stinkbug and a roleblocker

Zalak has the neighbourhood

Maven has the vest

JDietz has the rolestopper

Jay has the toy hammer.

... ???

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah I still don't understand why Laundry and Jdietz are even saying that Jay being scum impacts the rest of the neighborhood, that just seems ******** and none of them have given a single shred of evidence to back it up, yet they're treating it like it's confirmed true. Talk me through this very simply because I don't see where you guys are getting this

I'm in agreement with this to a point.

I want to see more from Zalak and Nabe on that front. Good discussion avenue.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

darn no hammer for me, but everyone will almost be broke tomorrow!!!

 

[Kursed]

Red I swear you said somewhere you want me broke but I can't find the post. Why was this?

I'd rather someone else got the vest.

uh.. huh...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red I swear you said somewhere you want me broke but I can't find the post. Why was this?


uh.. huh...

Mafia wasn't going to shoot you, that is why.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@ #HBC | Laundry You have to run me by why you think Nabe is scum when Zalak admitted to claiming traitor in a fake claim. I would immediately out that too.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You've misunderstood. I claimed the neighbourhood to avoid the NK in the possibility that Zalak was mafia, scouting for the traitor by claiming traitor. He couldn't have really been traitor, because if he'd misread his role PM he would have claimed to me and Jay immediately -- so mafia and town were the only options. But if I was the townie in a mafia-traitor-townie neighbourhood, then I was 100% going to get shot, and thus put down without the information getting into the open. After claiming, motivation for mafia!Zalak to kill me goes away as a result, because shooting me afterwards would look like a townie being eliminated from a private conversation for mafia-traitor to talk.

So you automatically assumed you'd be NKed because Zalak was traitorbaiting for Jay. A little bit kneejerk, given that Jay wasn't even looking at that thread, however:

The traitor claim from Zalak completely influenced my read on Zalak; my analysis of his potential reasoning for the claim as every alignment was discussed when both Zalak and Jay re-posted it from the QT. I don't know how you could have missed that, since it referenced the same "ARE NABE AND JAY MAFIA PARTNERS?!" post that you later quoted. In my analysis, I said that Zalak was very likely given the idea by that post (which was eight hours prior to his traitor claim in the QT) and was probably excited to get his feet wet in mafia. Zalak later said that his strange behaviour in the Neighbourhood overall was because the Neighbourhood was making him paranoid about me and Jay, but that still seems like a reasonable explanation to me, and I don't think they're mutually exclusive explanations.

When did you take the time to think about Zalak's alignment? This is where I'm truly confused and where I think a lot of your claims fell apart to me. You outed that Neighborhood 9 hours after the fact it happened and I know you have a lengthy consideration of Zalak's alignment in it and an explanation why you think he's town. I also can't imagine that you'd just spook so easily from a traitor claim that you'd out it before making said consideration. That whole entire aspect of your claim is what looks off to me, not necessarily the fact that you claimed it.

If Jay flips scum, you're still scum, because none of my logic has changed or been refuted in any way. You being scum is the only explanation that fits your lie.

You're still going back to that ****? I didn't ****ing lie. You're so caught on that call-out not being right because it didn't make sense within the set-up, and you're ****ing right. There is no sense for that play in the set-up. That's why I said "don't do it or I'll kill you". It's that simple, Nabe.

Also please tell me why I roleblocked my own partner. I can prove that ****ing sentiment wrong in a heartbeat. You think I'm so ******** to put my faction that far into the hole banking on my capability to draw a game out in a game where this image accurately describes my play?

Come off it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Yeah I still don't understand why Laundry and Jdietz are even saying that Jay being scum impacts the rest of the neighborhood, that just seems ******** and none of them have given a single shred of evidence to back it up, yet they're treating it like it's confirmed true. Talk me through this very simply because I don't see where you guys are getting this

@ #HBC | Laundry You have to run me by why you think Nabe is scum when Zalak admitted to claiming traitor in a fake claim. I would immediately out that too.

Honestly that's not my driving sentiment for Nabe being scum, it's mostly Jay's treatment of that slot. I said that I assumed as much initially.

 

[Zalak]

hmm @Jdietz43 you still have some explaining to do. how would jay's guilt make nabe and I guilty as well? how is the team so clear?

Honestly that's not my driving sentiment for Nabe being scum, it's mostly Jay's treatment of that slot. I said that I assumed as much initially.

Yeah, Jay has been overly defensive of everyone in general, but his treatment of Nabe was particularly odd. I don't think his treatment of any other slot stands out as much.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm still likely to be jumping the gun. I have no real knowledge that Nabe is the other mafia and that you are traitor. It simply looks that way based purely on my reads. You may have had horrible luck and simply drew one or both scum into your neighborhood (which explains why Jay stayed far the **** away from it), Nabe may not actually be scum with Jay (though I sitll believe that to be fairly likely based on Jay's treatment of that slot). I don't know these things. I just know Jay is mafia.

10char

 

[Zalak]

Mafia wasn't going to shoot you, that is why.

so u want him broke??

 

[Zalak]

so u want him broke??

Oh, wait, just re-read that. It all checks out. Nevermind

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: So not technically "initially" but that was what made me jump directly at the neighborhood after that roleblock--I figured Jay was mafia with Nabe based on the way Jay was reacting to that slot.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP the sequel: which is why I considered Zalak traitor--it seemed more likely he intentionally targeted the scumteam as traitor than he blindly drew both the scum into the neighborhood. That is why I went so hard at that group. I have no significant other proof that Nabe is scum though I really do not like how he's still trying to push me as scum at this point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

EBWOP the sequel: which is why I considered Zalak traitor--it seemed more likely he intentionally targeted the scumteam as traitor than he blindly drew both the scum into the neighborhood. That is why I went so hard at that group. I have no significant other proof that Nabe is scum though I really do not like how he's still trying to push me as scum at this point.

If he still?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

If he still?

Nabe or Zalak? I find Nabe still scummy as ****. Zalak being traitor is less likely but frankly, I stopped giving a **** as soon as he started arguing with me. I don't care for the traitor as killing it helps scum.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Yeah, because I had Nabe as null and now as a town lean. That's pretty scummy.

 

[Zalak]

Yeah, because I had Nabe as null and now as a town lean. That's pretty scummy.

We're operating under the assumption that you're mafia.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

We're operating under the assumption that you're mafia.

Yeah, I know, and even if I was, that doesn't sound that incriminating.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

So you automatically assumed you'd be NKed because Zalak was traitorbaiting for Jay. A little bit kneejerk, given that Jay wasn't even looking at that thread, however:

When did you take the time to think about Zalak's alignment? This is where I'm truly confused and where I think a lot of your claims fell apart to me. You outed that Neighborhood 9 hours after the fact it happened and I know you have a lengthy consideration of Zalak's alignment in it and an explanation why you think he's town. I also can't imagine that you'd just spook so easily from a traitor claim that you'd out it before making said consideration. That whole entire aspect of your claim is what looks off to me, not necessarily the fact that you claimed it.

You're still going back to that ****? I didn't ****ing lie. You're so caught on that call-out not being right because it didn't make sense within the set-up, and you're ****ing right. There is no sense for that play in the set-up. That's why I said "don't do it or I'll kill you". It's that simple, Nabe.

Also please tell me why I roleblocked my own partner. I can prove that ****ing sentiment wrong in a heartbeat. You think I'm so ******** to put my faction that far into the hole banking on my capability to draw a game out in a game where this image accurately describes my play?

Come off it.

By the way, kindly give everyone proof you did roleblock.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

By the way, kindly give everyone proof you did roleblock.

At the start of the day, use your toy hammer.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

At the start of the day, use your toy hammer.

Yeah, and then prove you didn't roleblock me as soon as you saw I got the hammer, too. You think I didn't realize I'd be able to tell if I was rb'd then, and that you also could have rb'd me as soon as I got the hammer to cover your tracks?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I already explained that it works through the entire cycle yesterday. I could ask Dietz to use his but that ain't happening.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

I already explained that it works through the entire cycle yesterday. I could ask Dietz to use his but that ain't happening.

Where's the proof you used the roleblock last night at all? Didn't you say it could be used in the Day phase also?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

The fact that there's a no kill is fairly significant proof.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Significant, yes. But not 100% hard proof.
Regardless, I'd probably lynch the [supposedly] roleblocked person in this scenario myself, so there's not much left to say.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So you automatically assumed you'd be NKed because Zalak was traitorbaiting for Jay.

No, I didn't. It was possible that Zalak was scum looking for a traitor, which would 100% result in me getting shot, so I eliminated the possibility altogether.

When did you take the time to think about Zalak's alignment? This is where I'm truly confused and where I think a lot of your claims fell apart to me. You outed that Neighborhood 9 hours after the fact it happened

No. Zalak made the traitor claim 9 hours after saying in-thread that he thought me and Jay were the mafia. Then, about 18 hours after his traitor claim, I posted in the thread. I'm not sure why the timing matters, though; I didn't give it a lengthy think, I just read it with my morning coffee and applied common sense.

and I know you have a lengthy consideration of Zalak's alignment in it and an explanation why you think he's town. I also can't imagine that you'd just spook so easily from a traitor claim that you'd out it before making said consideration. That whole entire aspect of your claim is what looks off to me, not necessarily the fact that you claimed it.

The consideration is IN the quicktopic. The analysis is the same post in the QT as me saying I'm going to out the neighbourhood, which I decided to do AFTER coming to a conclusion. There was no spooking involved.

You're still going back to that ****? I didn't ****ing lie. You're so caught on that call-out not being right because it didn't make sense within the set-up, and you're ****ing right. There is no sense for that play in the set-up. That's why I said "don't do it or I'll kill you". It's that simple, Nabe.

Yes -- that's the lie. There is NO SENSE for that play in the set-up, and as such, it never could have possibly occurred to you that I would play that way. Thus, you are lying.

Also please tell me why I roleblocked my own partner. I can prove that ****ing sentiment wrong in a heartbeat. You think I'm so ******** to put my faction that far into the hole banking on my capability to draw a game out in a game where this image accurately describes my play?

I have no reason to think that you roleblocked your partner. You are scum. Jay's alignment is irrelevant to that conclusion, because the conclusion's single driving point is a lie you've made with no possible town motivation and no admission of the lie.

 

[Orboknown]

MEANT*

frick

and no, i'm not scum.

does anyone besides Landry actually think I'm scum? I'm actually curious, because I don't know. I want to clear my name.

You were scrambling around pri hard after laundry came in yesterday with his info and you don't look good off of it