Gheb's crazy auction mafia | Game over, Mafia wins

[Orboknown]

so you're confirming the fact that your pushes so far have been, at least in thread, severely limited as far as quality? if so, why haven't you tried to add any steam aside from the occasional assertion? if you're not, i'll just try to make you answer them when i pull up the quotes (or concede that i was wrong, but either or).

Meh. I very rarely post ****tons or cases so i can see your point

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Got to sleep now. Yes U admit Ilve been a pushover, but I can't help it if I see the valid side of Gorf's defense.

 

[Zalak]

I feel like Jay has done nothing but defend people so far.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

by the way laundry this is an example of me not just up and stopping a different avenue of discussion from being made because it's worth being discussed. in fact, you can take my not stopping most, if not all, of zalak's sporadic (sometimes overzealous) avenues as me letting discussion flow. if my goal was to stop conversation, why wouldn't i tell zalak he's being stupid with half of his questions?

 

[Zalak]

overzealous

no such thing as overzealous, just extremely zealous.

if my goal was to stop conversation, why wouldn't i tell zalak he's being stupid with half of his questions?

Like YOU'VE been doing, Laundry.

This is so true, but I feel like you might just be trying to appeal to my views right now, Gorf.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Got to sleep now. Yes U admit Ilve been a pushover, but I can't help it if I see the valid side of Gorf's defense.

and herein lies the reason why i haven't made any solid pushes.

I feel like Jay has done nothing but defend people so far.

do you give me permission to tackle this or do would you rather jay does? i don't wanna step on any toes here, ya know?

Meh. I very rarely post ****tons or cases so i can see your point

there's posting ****tons of cases, and then there's simply directly addressing your scumreads and trying to develop your reads in your own hands. i don't know if you and i have had any direct interaction about the gamestate or what it is that you find scummy about me. i kinda just know that... you do. it makes your hands look really clean cuz you haven't had to say WHY you wanna lynch me. you may have said it about kursed but that one's an absolute gimme.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

no such thing as overzealous, just extremely zealous.

it's in the dictionary. it exists.

Like YOU'VE been doing, Laundry.

This is so true, but I feel like you might just be trying to appeal to my views right now, Gorf.

nah, i'm kinda just trying to find ways to show why/how my play hasn't been malicious thus far. cuz like, the accusations against me AREN'T entirely false, but they're not scum fueled. besides, you've already shown that you're not entirely taking the bait, so why would i need to appeal to your views

 

[Zalak]

do you give me permission to tackle this or do would you rather jay does? i don't wanna step on any toes here, ya know?

jay pls

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@ ~ Gheb ~ let @#HBC | Ryker play for rosalina plz and ty

 

[Zalak]

entirely

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

****in i hate when **** like that happens

 

[Orboknown]

Laundry(and zalek) are town via their interaction, nabe is null af and i dislike kursed.
Gorf is also laying around just agreeing with laundry about stuff and sidebar clarifying metas with an occasional poke here and there and i don't like that either

There ya go gorf. Pretty sure i was the first one to even mention scumreading you and the piints really havent changed

 

[Kursed]

Gorf I won't waste your time there is no way i'm staying up until 1:00AM to read this, sorry guys. I will make an entire notepad if I survive by tommorow in the game cause i have 48 hours and such.

Zalak i have a question

Why did you make a neighborhood with Nabe and Jay anyways?

 

[Zalak]

Gorf I won't waste your time there is no way i'm staying up until 1:00AM to read this, sorry guys. I will make an entire notepad if I survive by tommorow in the game cause i have 48 hours and such.

Zalak i have a question

Why did you make a neighborhood with Nabe and Jay anyways?

In my defense, I thought day 1 was going to end much sooner than it actually was when I chose my neighbors. I thought I had to act quickly so I just went with Nabe and Jay, who didn't seem mafia AT THE TIME. I'll admit, this is probably my noobiest play ever.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

There ya go gorf. Pretty sure i was the first one to even mention scumreading you and the piints really havent changed

mkay, i'll take that into account upon further inspection. i feel you on the not being the outlandish thread presence type, but off memory i just didn't remember you making ANY comment about players you suspected that went farther than "i think he's scummy," regardless of whether or not it's just me. i still think my not directly interacting with your scumreads claim holds merit, but we'll see with a reread.

 

[Orboknown]

Thats prolly true though so I'll gove you that

 

[Maven89]

Alright, here's the rest. Sorry it took so long, I'm with family. Should have time to read new posts just had trouble finding time to sit down and do a read and reply to everything I've missed.Shouldn't be any more activity problems. This is just going to do my read up then I'll go through and actually play

So starting from midway on page 9

Not a fan of this Nabe/Laundry. Nabe is either scum or very vindictive and catty. Waiting to see if Nabe gets off Laundry and does anything else anytime soon.

There's no way Rosa and Maven are intentionally inactive, unless my instincts are seriously messed up.

How could you possibly have instincts about that? I'm starting to notice you dong these weird defenses, both of this and Ryu's inactivity.

I don't know if it's me or not but these posts are all getting real boring

I see validity with Nabe's posts at laundry but I'm not sure Laundry actually is scum right now.

This is the exact opposite of my reads

i mean its whatever but its still funny to see from an outsiders pov. you cant really hold that against em cuz anybody can, like, accidentally leave open a tab, or not read up all the way, or simply decide not to respond.



iz cuz u were inactive and i was kinda annoyed by the fact that rosa doesnt exist. consider that the point where i realized that having the only vote on rosa was less helpful than having it on someone who can actually be pushed, and note how as soon as i noticed you posting again (not even when i read what you said), my vote came off. but now that zalak is here to show interest in pursuing rosa (or not ) im more than down to hbc the **** outta him.

but at this point, i wont bother just blindly putting my vote on inactives. rosa is the lead im most invested in atm but im not opposed to putting my vote on nabe with laundry if the playstyle hes provided stays consistent.

This post has moved Gorf into an uncomfortable null for me. Despite posting so much and being involved nothing he has done has really stuck out either way, and with a lot of content from him that makes it uncomfortable null instead of just null.

Nabe biting back has merit but laundry has some valid counter points.

Nabe is in a tunnel a bit but I see where he is coming from and where his issues are.

However I do not think either is malicious.

This is really thin

I got no problem with you reading us as TvT but that justification for it was weak as all get out. It's overly vague with no real examples nor indication as to why that should be TvT, just a bunch of buzzwords trying to justify your read.

Now this seems weak

Dietz, compare his play to the mini we were just in. Do you understand why I think he may be town here?

What? He was scum in both of those games. What, then, would make you think he's scummy?

EBWOP^

I at least haven't paid much attention to Kursed because even as town traitor ( which I find it hard to believe he would be so transparent, ) I didn't see harm in letting him live. However I hadn't thought about the next bidding phase.

Honestly I'm almost ready to lynch Kursed myself due to the points Dietz brought up.

But Dietz brought up his points before the first post I quoted. Only difference is now Orbo voted

Now take this game: I called him out again (or rather he tries to call me out and I throw it back at him), and instead of vanishing and withholding his opinions, he at least tried to flesh things out. Regardless of the quality, he stuck around and tried to explain his read on me, realized that it wasn't very good (which he point-blank admitted) and eventually swapped off of me and realized I was town. He has stances on other players, he's trying to put his opinion out there. It's not very good, and it doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's sticking around and trying means a great deal when he, as scum, just dipped as soon as he got called out for being scummy.

I do not know how you can call this

May as well lynch me. I can't defend myself.

to be trying. Maybe you should check out the other game he was scum in because he stayed around there. I mean his reads in this game were '"idk". The only other defense he put up was "tl:dr".

Okay.

People who think Laundry / Nabe is stupid, prolonged, defensive, too wordy, etc. are completely missing the logic I'm trying to get across, which has nothing at all to do with personality clashes, and nothing at all to do with opinion. I am talking about logic, about a very specific chain of logic that leads me to think that Laundry has lied. If you don't agree with the logic, say why. If you think it's a more layered issue than that, then you haven't actually read what I've said. Please don't make me express it through formal p's and q's to get that across.

I'll try to post about actual humans tomorrow, but ****, come on.

That..doesn't seem to be at all what you were actually posting

And I'm caught up to my post. Now it's actually talking

That's weird. I may be a mafia newbie, but the answer to this question seems very obvious to me. We have no reason to end the day prematurely. If we lynch Kursed 3 days before the deadline, we will lose 3 days of investigation. I find it hard to believe you would have overlooked that. Why are you focusing so heavily on someone who has already been established as very suspicious? I find this HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

I know I already answered this but to say it again, I hadn't read through the thread so I had no idea how much people had talked about Kursed. It honestly looked to me like he had completely slid under the radar and my post was really calling attention to it.

Why are you liking me more? Your thoughts on me in your latest post are pretty jumbled, and they don't seem to add up

Zalak's post is crazy:
You offered no actual counter-argument to the post in question, but I admit it was written very poorly. My revised version should make sense though:
" My main point was that in a game with a TT, whoever has the neighborizer is put into the spotlight as a TT suspect. That attention would endanger not only the TT, but their mafia buddies as well, unless they kept up a spotless townie act. "

Zalak has let my compliment go to his head: Somewhat relevant to the next one I guess.

Zalak's posts have made sense so far, but he's sneaky: Contradicts "Zalak's post is crazy", and "Zalak has let my compliment go to his head" (KIND OF. You seemed to have a very negative opinion of me at that point)

Zalak seems town: No further explanation was provided.

Well that's because it was going through the thread and your post quality changed. In the beginning you were basically just voting Laundry, claiming you were 100% confident the guy was scum (when I at the time was town reading him), but then a few posts later (which were the posts I was talking about) you explained why you were voting him. The "got to his head" post was actually talking about the "this is a crazy overreaction" post, which was my explanation for the overreaction.

What don't you like about it?/quote]

It felt like nitpicking and was drawing the focus back to Laundry when I felt that whole avenue had been largely worthless



Now I'm actually just going to be doing it post by post because that's easier then having one giant post in a single tab and constantly worrying you're going to exit out of it by mistake

 

[Maven89]

bah, formatting on that last quote. Top line is Zalak, everything else is me responding

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Deadline is in 11 hours. Ryker will replace RosalinaSGS as soon as possible.

Kursed [3] - Maven, Red Ryu, Dietz
Gorf [3] - Jay, Laundry, Orboknown
Laundry [3] - <MOD>, Nabe, Zalak
Zalak [2] - <MOD>, Kursed
RosalinaSGS [2] - <MOD>, Gorf
Maven89 [1] - <MOD>

Not voting: RosalinaSGS
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch;

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I think the Gorf case is decently solid w.r.t. his posts and what's actually available; obviously it's based on a lack and not a tell. I'm not sure how Ryu is meant to tie in.

Vote Gorf for now, not seeing enough responses to this case which means there's not enough momentum. People need to lay down an opinion on Laundry/Gorf before the end of the Day, that's important. @ new people

I'd bite on Orbo or Maven if there were a shift. People who hate me Not here for a couple hours at least, here before deadline for sure.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

im gonna have a harder time than i expected posting a juicy post because i gotta do some manual labor after work, but ill definitely have reread and will give actual thoughts by before deadline.

@ ~ Gheb ~ can we get a deadline extension to welcome ryker into the thread?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryker has neither confirmed nor officially replaced in yet. An extension will only be granted in case of a majority vote.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

I feel like Jay has done nothing but defend people so far.

That is mostly true, so there isn't much I can say in defense. I simply have been seeing the other side a lot.

As a heads up, Maven is null for me.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

I think the Gorf case is decently solid w.r.t. his posts and what's actually available; obviously it's based on a lack and not a tell. I'm not sure how Ryu is meant to tie in.

Vote Gorf for now, not seeing enough responses to this case which means there's not enough momentum. People need to lay down an opinion on Laundry/Gorf before the end of the Day, that's important. @ new people

I'd bite on Orbo or Maven if there were a shift. People who hate me Not here for a couple hours at least, here before deadline for sure.

Personally, I have Laundry pretty solidly as town. He has undeniably done a lot this game, and that is good whether he's scum or town.

Not too comfortable with a Gorf lynch anymore, but I'll still do it; my lynchpool other wise is just the less active slots, and I don't like the idea of lynching them when they have little content.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Gorf

 

[~ Gheb ~]

5 hours left until deadline.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

request deadline extension

guys i am so far from the right play its not even funny. like ****, this is a wagon supported by orbo (whos admitted to having very little quantifiable output regarding his scumreads, and has been lurking a lot more than he should be), nabe (whos admitted to not knowig whether or not his read on me is accurate) and ruy (mr lynch mob mentality). i think extending the deadline and letting ryker who, according to the social, WILL replace in get his feet wet is the best option, so we can get more meat out of this Day.

like, just ****in think: im not even scummy. my plays been so consistent it hurts. thats because i came into the game with the mindset of finding, not looking. i feel like looking for scumtells on D1 is an easy way to corner the guy who accidentally comes off as scummy. however, finding them by a player's own accord is a different story. i only found the early Day tell, and while i was hoping to find others, i didnt. as scum, why would i take so many opportunities to post and establish my presence and existence in the game? why arent i trying to feign scumreads? my play might not be ideal or on par and i may not have answers, but mt posts show interest in whats going on. the drive to find scum (at least in my opinion) is there.

dont join the lynch mob for the sake of the lynch mob. lynching an inactive is better than lynching someone whos intent you may have doubts about, rather than a solid scum read.

and yes, laundry, i think its bogus that your conclusion about my play is that its scum fueled. i think you may just be looking too hard for an answer. maybe its because we assume that since all players have posted, scum has posted, therefore we MUST be able to find scum. but maybe scums inactive.

HINT HINT.

also i doubt ill be able to give the optimal output if we dont extend the deadline. if you guys care about getting a lynch over with, off me. if you care about finding scum and making the most out of this day, for ryker as well, then extend the deadline.

 

[Zalak]

nononono Jay's post seriously bothers me. I know Laundry isn't dying toDay, so

Unvote, Vote: JayTheUnseen

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ Zalak hammer gorf we got 2-3 hours left on the deadline.

 

[Zalak]

@ ~ Gheb ~ if the traitor is NK'd by the mafia, do they get converted to a mafia goon or do they simply die?

This post of Gorf's still bothers me though.... Why wouldn't that info be included in the OP? This seems like a sneaky grab for townie points.

BUT JAY IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT I DID IN MY FIRST mAF- oh jeez you're right, Red.

Vote: Gorf

Sorry, yo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Still would have rather lynch Kursed but w/e.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gorf [6] - Jay, Laundry, Orboknown, Nabe, Red Ryu, Zalak
Kursed [2] - Maven, Dietz
Zalak [2] - <MOD>, Kursed
RosalinaSGS [2] - <MOD>, Gorf
Laundry [1] - <MOD>
Maven89 [1] - <MOD>

Not voting: RosalinaSGS
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch;

Gorf [Vanilla Townie] has been lynched! Day 1 ends, Night 1 begins.
Send in all Night Actions within 48 hours. Deadline is the last minute of Sunday, April 5th [GMT].

No more posting.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

removed***

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ahh sheit ninja'd.

willing to edit if you request so @ ~ Gheb ~

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah edit it plz

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I removed it.

Now back to quiet nightphase.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nobody has died during the Night.

@#HBC | Ryker replaces RosalinaSGS

Bid phase 2 begins!

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We're back, ladies and gentlemen! It's time to start another round of bids.

... the first item ...

... is a Toy Hammer. A fancy little item to make sure that nobody gets to make any important decisions if you don't want them to. Slap them with the toy hammer and watch them become unable to do anything silly with their vote. Quite a useful item and nearly for free at a laughable minimum bid of 1000!

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... the next item ...

... is a 2x Rolestopper add-on! An absolutely essential item to obtain if you want to have maximum control over the Night Phase. Use this item up to 2 times to manipulate Night Actions and become this game's ultimate string puller! A powerful itm that can easily turn the game in your favor - but can you get it? We'll see about that! If you throw in the minimum bid of 5000 then this gemstone could become yours. You do not want to miss this one!

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... and the final item for today is ...

... is a Bulletproof Vest! That's right girls and boys, a bulletproof vest is looking for a new owner. Will it be you? I'm sure you wanna be the one to get their hands on this one but I bet the bids are gonna be sky-high so you better have some leftover cash to bid. This item won't come for free, that's for sure! It may look a bit fragile but I'm sure it can withstand at least one shot so I dare say that a minimum bid of 7500 is quite a fair offer.

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Money: JayTheUnseen - 20K, Maven89 - 20K, Orboknown - 20K, Red Ryu - 20K, Ryker - 20K, Zalak - 9K, Dietz - 20K, Nabe - 20K, Kursed - 20K, Laundry - 0;
Deadline: Last minute of Wednesday, 4.8; GMT

 

[Zalak]

1000 on the toy hammer

 

[Orboknown]

Bid 10k on rolestopper

 

[Zalak]

also laundry, why are you alive? Did you RB someone... or did you intentionally kill no one so it would look like you RBed someone?