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[Zalak]

no answer...

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Laundry you wanna lynch gorf?

His vote record, lynch targets, and general pushes are grody as **** and are reminding of a game that he was scum in that I replaced into but I can't remember which game.

He started the game on Rosalina right? He's never truly left that slot.

Look:

****in rosalinas lack of presence is making me anxious.

fantastic

vote rosalina

if her rate of activity continues for the Day id honestly have no problem lynching her.

(NB: This happened after he swapped vote to Ruy cause he wanted of the below post showing his uncertainty in Rosa)


This is a clear issue to him because:

read: not being sure whether my vote on rosa really had a purpose, and being okay with supporting someone whos pursuing inactives

He's aware that Rosa's not here and he can't really do much with his vote on her, but for some reason he's never really looked in any other direction. He'll say Kursed when he gets to my suspicions but here's the thing about his Kursed lynch:

if i may

its because we really really really wanna use the Day time to do things that will lead to information. lynching you, kursed, with the clearly anti town position youre deciding to stick to is the right thing to do, but considering the fact that we have three days left toDay, the side of town that isnt currently on you is probably either on the "please be useful before were forced to lynch you" side, and/or the "lets get as much as we can out of the Day before we lynch this useless liability" side.

kursed, im going to give you one shot before you essentially become a policy lynch to me (and what may already be a fair amount of the playerlist). being sarcastic and humorous only really works if you are, in fact, willing to work with town. there are some moments when i read you where im like "oh this is starting to read as like a newbtown" and then you post something that is utterly ridiculous to anybody whos even slightly versed in the english language and its like why...? the majority of your play cant just be a reason to xD it up. you will be lynched for that.

nabes play reminds me why hes almost always a policy lynch of mine, i can dig ruy's content when he caught up, and i feel like orbos play gives me very little discernible tell for a read, and jays play stands out even less so. aside from that, the players i left out are either players who ive commented on throughout the thread, or players that have zero impression in my reads whatsoever.

questions? comments? concerns?

im extremely down as **** to hbc the **** out of kursed though. i think its safe to say that hell probably never end up being helpful intentionally, and the fact is players HAVE taken stances on em.

votes not being placed cuz i dont wanna act hastily.

It's a policy lynch. The way he treats that slot is not necessarily "I think it's scum" but "it's anti-town and it needs to disappear". That's not a scumread.

As for any other directions, particularly the ones I was putting out that he said he liked so much, he pretty much shot that down in general:

@me just agreeing with laundry, confirming metas and making occasional pokes

first parts not even true, i dont believe i ever affirmed his suspicions of the likes of kursed, zalak, and ruy, to name a few.

ill admit, i tried reading laundry vs nabe to try and find sustenance. but it was PAINFUL. it almost feels like nabe is feeding laundrys fire and laundrys just so far in that theres nothing of worth really coming out of it. ill go ahead and steal this as my opinion on the subject:

(Dietz: "Laundry and Nabe are ********")

The other thing about Gorf is that he's spent a large amount of time defending me from being lynched or being questioned in the first place:

[collapse=huge number of posts, gonna shrink it]

@me just agreeing with laundry, confirming metas and making occasional pokes

first parts not even true, i dont believe i ever affirmed his suspicions of the likes of kursed, zalak, and ruy, to name a few. my association with has mostly been being confused as to why people are using the wifomy *** sniping reasons to suspect or clear laundry cuz that causes for dumb. i dont see why confirmig metas is a bad thing, and i dont see why making small pushes and "occasional posts" 36 hours into the game is such a bad thing, especially since half the game probz doesnt have enough info out to make a concrete read on. plus, like i said, i wanted to make rosa my prime focus for this part of the Day phase, but at this point its clear that wont happen, so ill be putting more attention elsewhere.

oh thats right ruy thinks youre scum cuz of the yolo thing

yea if he keeps this up after sobering up and catching up ill be inclined to scum read him. him unvoting you is a step but this still needs to be said:

RUY THIS IS A WARNING TO DROP YOUR SUSPICION OF LAUNDRY IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM STEALING THE BUGS. YOURE WIFOMING YOURSELF TOO HARD. THIS IS YOUR WIFOM ALERT. SOMETIMES ITS HARD TO NOTICE, AND IF YOURE STILL MAKING THIS MISTAKE THEN I SUPPOSE I HAVE NO CHOICE EXCEPT TO LAY IT OUT STRAIGHT FOR YOU. SUSPECTING HIM, OR TOWN READING HIM, BASED ON HIM STEALING THE ITEMS IS TOO WIFOMY TO BE CONCRETE.

actually that psa should be to everyone so we can move on from that and talk about scummy players

quote="#HBC | Gorf, post: 18859676, member: 146703"]well thats his perogative. hes not stopping the flow of information, hes merely partaking in it. i dont see it as maliciously as you do, idk.



thats just our jargon. i know he didnt consider that to be me casting suspicion on em, so that extinguishes that point.[/quote]

well since you responded i may as well gave my stance.

what was interesting was how he came to the conclusion. its incorrect BECAUSE its a strawman of your posts, but the method was very towny/scumhunty of em.

zalak, when you read a player, you gotta look at their posts as a whole through the thread. laundry DOES just talk like this in game (which, while it may not be inherently nice, it isnt a scum tell), so you gotta look at what hes doing all in all. i dont think hes silencing his opposition, rather, his opposition needs to play more mafia (which you did, and quite frankly his response to you is more objective and cooperative (likely because youre playing mafia instead of just starting a pissing contest)). from what ive seen his play just doesnt strike as malicious yet, and if it does ill take notice. but so far your suspicion was the best looking of anyones.

(note: Red Ruy liked this post)

well, its not about the fact that laundrys the center of attention, its about what hes doing with it and how hes making branching paths, connecting himself, playing the game of mafia, that makes me consider him as a town read. maybe its wifom in the same sense that like almost everything in this world can be misconstrued into wifom, but no.

i think, atm, it doesnt reeeeally matter whether hes scum or not cuz if hes town, then hes right, he probably WILL be dead by the start of toMorrow. but based on the Day so far hes the only one making sensible plays and is using himself as a basis to talk about and to others, rather than doing that thing scum likes to do and keep a stagnant conversation going. hes of zero concern to me.

And I'm sure I missed 1 or 2[/collapse]




For a slot that clearly has little direction because his primary lynch target is an inactive player and his secondary choice is a policy lynch, why did you spend so much time shutting down discussion on me? Why did you say that you liked what I was doing but then took 0 ****ing cues from the **** I was putting out?

Probably because you're scum.

vote: Gorf

P.S. I got your burden of proof right here.

 

[Kursed]

You tell me boo, how are you the traitor?

I'm not and I don't see how I can be other than my posts saying I want to lynch myself. How tf can I be traitor if I want to be lynched? Doesn't traitor want to live?!

Me>"lynch me i'm evil"
Response>"he must be telling the truth. Easy lynch for newbie scum!"

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: The thing about his large number of posts defending me or trying to shut down discussion about me is that it fits right in with my suspicions of how scum wanted to act that I listed on the last page.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

This bothered me immensely at the time but I couldn't imagine why a townie would deprive a power from their alignment just to eat a nightkill. Then it hit me that there's one in this game that doesn't win with the town. Once I realized that it might be possible, more facets of Ruy's play started to fall into place as the traitor.

this is kinda dumb, but like i suppose it makes sense as a slip if he is, in fact, a traitor. but this in and of itself doesn't mean much. ruy does this thing every now and then where he feels bad for himself regardless of alignment.

For example, his priorities:

quote="Red Ryu, post: 18866001, member: 119088"]
Yes he is tunneling but I think right now he sees something off with you. I would like him to expand outside of that but I find other matters to be more important, Kursed, Rosie, Dietz, Maven.

(A blatant scapegoat, a guy who just asked for replacement, and two guys who simply just weren't ****ing here, basically no real pressure here)

All of his reads are vague:



He was the first to reach the conclusion that Nabe and I was a TvT scenario, but when pressured it was some sort of "I don't want to make enemies" resolution:



Basically "you're both right", which, if one of us was, then we should lynch that ****ing slot. If Nabe's right and I'm lying scum trying to set him up to look scummy. If I'm right, then Nabe's scum twisting my words in order to get me lynched.


What this leaves me with is that Ruy is highly likely to be traitor. His gameplan, providing I'm right, was to sit back and avoid really doing much to go undetected until he saw that powerful role he wanted. Then he'd snipe it, draw scum's nightkill, and prevent town from having it all in one go.

I don't necessarily want to lynch him for it, though, because I don't want to do scum's dirty work, but at the same time, I can't prevent him from stealing a power and dying with it like he would want as traitor.

[/quote]

but this is pretty legit. i was excusing the former as "lolruy" when i read it and didn't think much of it. but thinking about it i would at least expect a ruy that's engaged in the game to have more than the nonposting crew as his priorities. the last part about him being extremely agreeable with you and nabe is legit too though.

i think it's a pretty convoluted case when you're trying to say it's the work of a traitor (that's A LOT of planning, and it'd be dumb of him to spill his plan in the thread. it's not like he can get in contact with his scummates anyway, and it's not like scum NEEDS to know about his plan; just to stop it). but it's worth taking into account as a read on em.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm not and I don't see how I can be other than my posts saying I want to lynch myself. How tf can I be traitor if I want to be lynched? Doesn't traitor want to live?!

Me>"lynch me i'm evil"
Response>"he must be telling the truth. Easy lynch for newbie scum!"

No, the traitor wants to die. That's the point.

 

[Orboknown]

Unvote vote gorf

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Are you saying you don't think you're scum?

No I Do Not Think That I Am Scum

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

but this is pretty legit. i was excusing the former as "lolruy" when i read it and didn't think much of it. but thinking about it i would at least expect a ruy that's engaged in the game to have more than the nonposting crew as his priorities. the last part about him being extremely agreeable with you and nabe is legit too though.

i think it's a pretty convoluted case when you're trying to say it's the work of a traitor (that's A LOT of planning, and it'd be dumb of him to spill his plan in the thread. it's not like he can get in contact with his scummates anyway, and it's not like scum NEEDS to know about his plan; just to stop it). but it's worth taking into account as a read on em.

"this is legit"

"worth taking into account as a read on em"

GORF WHAT ARE YOUR READS? YOU'VE DODGED THE **** OUTTA THIS SINCE GAME START.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't think I've heard a concrete stance outta you this whole game. When I asked you who you wanted to lynch, you gave me the slot you've sat on despite its inactivity since the start of the game and the guy who everyone wants to body. That's weak as ****.

 

[Kursed]

Maven hasn't contributed at all in this game other than point me out. I believe Maven is trying to use me as a lynch along with Dietz just so they can get a free townie lynch. (ecspecially maven)

 

[Kursed]

Oh jesus i didn't know traitor wants to die- I just thought traitor wanted to win with mafia...
Oh.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

As it stands I am down to body Gorf. If he flips scum, Rosa should die tomorrow simply because I believe Gorf saw a legitimate scumslip and decided to bus the **** outta her as a result (it would explain why he's never moved, he knows she's scum). If he flips town, then it should be one of Dietz/Maven/Orbo as a result that gets investigated (not outright lynch, but they should be the focus of tomorrow).

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh jesus i didn't know traitor wants to die- I just thought traitor wanted to win with mafia...
Oh.

AND THUS KURSED IS TOWN.

WE ARE DONE WITH THIS GOGAWFUL PUSH.

 

[Orboknown]

Yeah i agree after that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

before i read in depth:

the reason why it may appear that i'm not looking into many slots/doing much outside of commenting is that, well, i just haven't seen much that's piqued my curiosity. call it rust maybe, but rosa's early play is the only thing that's made me weary. i think maybe zalak's early ass play piqued my curiosity, but that changed pretty quickly. outside of that, there just wasn't enough on players (maven, dietz, orbo and ruy, from my perspective, have all been unimpressionable as far as a solid read goes), or i have town reads (laundry, zalak, and now jay) and players whose play have left me relatively unconcerned with whether or not they're lynched (kursed and rosa). i just HAVEN'T had the drive to pursue somebody as scum, even though i've been here. i'm not gonna fake that drive or tell, so what else is there to do but... observe?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

before i read in depth:

the reason why it may appear that i'm not looking into many slots/doing much outside of commenting is that, well, i just haven't seen much that's piqued my curiosity. call it rust maybe, but rosa's early play is the only thing that's made me weary. i think maybe zalak's early *** play piqued my curiosity, but that changed pretty quickly. outside of that, there just wasn't enough on players (maven, dietz, orbo and ruy, from my perspective, have all been unimpressionable as far as a solid read goes), or i have town reads (laundry, zalak, and now jay) and players whose play have left me relatively unconcerned with whether or not they're lynched (kursed and rosa). i just HAVEN'T had the drive to pursue somebody as scum, even though i've been here. i'm not gonna fake that drive or tell, so what else is there to do but... observe?

obv answer/10

 

[Kursed]

before i read in depth:

the reason why it may appear that i'm not looking into many slots/doing much outside of commenting is that, well, i just haven't seen much that's piqued my curiosity. call it rust maybe, but rosa's early play is the only thing that's made me weary. i think maybe zalak's early *** play piqued my curiosity, but that changed pretty quickly. outside of that, there just wasn't enough on players (maven, dietz, orbo and ruy, from my perspective, have all been unimpressionable as far as a solid read goes), or i have town reads (laundry, zalak, and now jay) and players whose play have left me relatively unconcerned with whether or not they're lynched (kursed and rosa). i just HAVEN'T had the drive to pursue somebody as scum, even though i've been here. i'm not gonna fake that drive or tell, so what else is there to do but... observe?

Gorf
If i actually take the time to analyse slots and give actual opinions

Will you? Idek why i'm making this deal

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

dawg i tried shutting down discussion about the whole bidding thing because it's generally really really really autistic when players try to narrow in on that one thing that that one player did early and it makes it difficult to garner accurate reads, especially because it works best when it's fresh. like there was other **** worth discussing.

i was defending you cuz people were calling you scum for **** you did in the beginning. it's not like i'm shutting down avenues that didn't involve the bidding (read: zalak's early case on you that i said was an interesting observation. newsflash: i wanted to read your response so i can get a read off of you.)

is there anything i missed?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf
If i actually take the time to analyse slots and give actual opinions

Will you? Idek why i'm making this deal

if you take the time right now to come up with reasonable reads (and i'm not even talking bout like top notch reads and polished skillz type ****) and beat me to going to bed, i'll sacrifice awake time just to reread this thread and get a second opinion.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

dawg i tried shutting down discussion about the whole bidding thing because it's generally really really really autistic when players try to narrow in on that one thing that that one player did early and it makes it difficult to garner accurate reads, especially because it works best when it's fresh. like there was other **** worth discussing.

Like what? At the time there was me going full ****** in thread and your suspicion on Rosa, who disappeared pretty quickly into the thread, but for "better things to discuss" you sure spent a lot of time shooting that down and talking about other things to no real end.

 

[Zalak]

obv answer/10

For better or for worse, (Probably worse.. but I'm not sure yet :/ :/ :/ ) I DID take up a large portion of this game by pushing you. The players he mentioned haven't been very active. His response kinda makes sense from a townie perspective. When have I posted any kind of solid opinion!?!? HUH!?!? It's still suspicious, but the fact that it's an obvious answer doesn't make it untrue NECESSARILY.

 

[Orboknown]

Its nice how end of day is always the busiest

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

For better or for worse, (Probably worse.. but I'm not sure yet :/ :/ :/ ) I DID take up a large portion of this game by pushing you. The players he mentioned haven't been very active. His response kinda makes sense from a townie perspective. When have I posted any kind of solid opinion!?!? HUH!?!? It's still suspicious, but the fact that it's an obvious answer doesn't make it untrue NECESSARILY.

The thing about it is that it's not a townie perspective. Scum can claim they "had no direction" pretty easily as well and have a neat little explanation as to why they're not really pushing anywhere. It's technically null.

 

[Zalak]

@Maven89 Opinions!?!?!? OPINIONS!?!??!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop:

i'll sacrifice sleeping* time

(i have work at 10:00 AM est tomorrow but will stay up to reread so that i don't have to worry about doing that in the time crunch after work)

obv answer/10

it's not like it's news. i posted something like this either earlier today or yesterday. btw nice wifoming yourself dawg

like, there's really no fighting against the evidence that i could do. i've just not had any drive to call somebody scum and pursue a read. maybe that's because scum lies in the inactive ruy/maven/dietz/orbo/rosa pool, but what can i say?

HINT HINT TO FUTURE REREADERS

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I really need to sleep so I'm leaving the thread. I'll let y'all stew on the **** I just said and come back tomorrow by lunchtime to see if I need to move my vote or not. I have left you with my thoughts on the gamestate as of this moment. That is probably the last real explanation you're gonna get from me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

maybe that's because scum lies in the inactive ruy/maven/dietz/orbo/rosa pool, but what can i say?

hey look, the guy i lined up as traitor, the slot i lined up as your mate, and the other three slots i listed as my lynch pool. congrats gorf, you really, really knocked this one out.

 

[Zalak]

I really need to sleep so I'm leaving the thread. I'll let y'all stew on the **** I just said and come back tomorrow by lunchtime to see if I need to move my vote or not. I have left you with my thoughts on the gamestate as of this moment. That is probably the last real explanation you're gonna get from me.

In the ENTIRE GAME?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

In the ENTIRE GAME?

Scum's likely shots are:
-Me (cause by now most people townread me)
-You (cause by now everyone townreads you)
-Nabe/Jay (to deny your neighborhood and limit your private communication since it matters so much to you)

and I put that in order of likeliness. I can't really post before deadline so enjoy.

I'mma laugh my ass off if I get shot tonight, Gorf was innocent all along, and the neighborhood is the scumteam this game.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Like what? At the time there was me going full ****** in thread and your suspicion on Rosa, who disappeared pretty quickly into the thread, but for "better things to discuss" you sure spent a lot of time shooting that down and talking about other things to no real end.

**** didn't stick, and players didn't comment on much aside from your provocative behavior. should i have just let them join in on your admittedly going full ******? maybe, yea. but it's pretty damn consistent. i never said it was stupid that people were looking into you. i said it was stupid that your sniping shenanigans would lead anybody to thinking you were scum. which it was.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

hey look, the guy i lined up as traitor, the slot i lined up as your mate, and the other three slots i listed as my lynch pool. congrats gorf, you really, really knocked this one out.

To be fair, who else is there really?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

hey look, the guy i lined up as traitor, the slot i lined up as your mate, and the other three slots i listed as my lynch pool. congrats gorf, you really, really knocked this one out.

dude if you're going to do this for the rest of the Day tell me now so i can worry about other things. besides you're not the first person to clump those five in the same category of needing to bring more output.

hell actually i wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a matter of the scum just chillin in the back while the town ate itself out.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Gorf's recent posts actually have me thinking he may be town.
Feels like we may be cornering a townie who can't really defend himself despite his actions not being that scummy, because of how they played out.

 

[Zalak]

Jay.. have you pushed anyone yet?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

orbo mind going on the record either accepting or denying your content quality as far as pushing for your scumreads (which have been me kursed and [insert possible 3rd player here] cuz something tells me you've kinda just been making these little assertions all game.

ruy's a player that i just overall have to reread cuz most of what i remember is ruy being niceguy ruy and unimpressionable, and maven and dietz' post strike my memory as being objectively fine and not worth much for a D1 read. i'll put in the dirty work tomorrow to wrap my mind around it, but i'm actually totally down to swing the lynch between these four (and rosa of course, but she's getting replaced and i won't discount the idea of rosa just not doing the slot justice since the content he put out was so sparce).

 

[Orboknown]

orbo mind going on the record either accepting or denying your content quality as far as pushing for your scumreads (which have been me kursed and [insert possible 3rd player here] cuz something tells me you've kinda just been making these little assertions all game.

ruy's a player that i just overall have to reread cuz most of what i remember is ruy being niceguy ruy and unimpressionable, and maven and dietz' post strike my memory as being objectively fine and not worth much for a D1 read. i'll put in the dirty work tomorrow to wrap my mind around it, but i'm actually totally down to swing the lynch between these four (and rosa of course, but she's getting replaced and i won't discount the idea of rosa just not doing the slot justice since the content he put out was so sparce).

Meh. You don't need a ****ton of content for intent to be clear and i don't think my intent would show scunmy.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop:

*disclaimer: expect this endeavor to take place starting at around 3:00 PM EST, because that's when i get off work. unless, of course, kursed is down to play the game.

btw i agree with the kursed is town cuz of the not knowing what the traitor does logic, and am willing to defer to a townNabe read because i suck at reading his slot (flavorless mafia is the perfect example, also highlighting why i consider him a reasonable policy lynch).

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Meh. You don't need a ****ton of content for intent to be clear and i don't think my intent would show scunmy.

so you're confirming the fact that your pushes so far have been, at least in thread, severely limited as far as quality? if so, why haven't you tried to add any steam aside from the occasional assertion? if you're not, i'll just try to make you answer them when i pull up the quotes (or concede that i was wrong, but either or).

 

[Zalak]

@ JayTheUnseen have you pushed anyone yet...? *