Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[FalconFire93]

Same, everything was awesome this presentation.

This is genius level.

Phoenix Wright: Projectile Specialist.

Yeah I'm reaching.

Seems to me like you're not too easy to please, which makes me wonder why you bought the Fighter Pass so early.

Like, my only qualm was that I didn't want it if it contained Steve (which I didn't think was going to happen) and I still waited until yesterday to buy it.

Exactly, Square Enix and Nintendo both won E3 this year in my opinion.

 

[xpnc]

Exactly, Square Enix and Nintendo both won E3 this year in my opinion.

Square Enix was doing fine and then they decided to show a feature length film of talking about the voice actors they selected for a Marvel game they didn't show any gameplay for

 

[FalconFire93]

Square Enix was doing fine and then they decided to show a feature length film of talking about the voice actors they selected for a Marvel game they didn't show any gameplay for

I only cared about FF7 Remake and FF8 Remastered out of everything and I wished they showed gameplay for the Avengers too instead of spending time talking to voice actors, that’s something that IGN does.

 

[Datboigeno]

Square Enix was doing fine and then they decided to show a feature length film of talking about the voice actors they selected for a Marvel game they didn't show any gameplay for

They did show some gameplay though...

 

[Polarthief]

Exactly, Square Enix and Nintendo both won E3 this year in my opinion.

Same, plus Devolver IMO. Everyone else was "meh, I don't care", with the exception of Bethesda which was just flat out BAD, and I didn't bother to watch the PC Gaming show, but because of all the Epic exclusives, I assume was just crap as well.

 

[ZelDan]

Nintendo won easily this year.

The only SE announcement I cared about was the mana stuff, which was showed in Nintendo's direct, so...that kinda counts for both of them?

To give credit where credit is due FFVIIR is coming along a bit better than I was expecting. Still kinda shaky on it though, plus I would need a multiplatform announcement for it as I don't really want to have to buy a PS4 for one game.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If Geno gets in, I honestly think he'll be last. Last game's DLC was the supposed winner of the Smash ballot, i.e. a big deal. Geno would be a big deal for long time smash fans.

I do kind of agree on this just because Smash 4 ended on Bayonetta which went up and beyond fan service. I've gone into the particulars many times before but Bayonetta is by no means a big franchise. Two official games, only recently squeaked by a million copies sold thanks to the Switch ports, doesn't even crack top ten when it comes to best selling SEGA franchises, etc. Bayo's demand for Smash laid squarely on the shoulders on Smash fans who even knew who she was. She was a tried and true Smash fan pick and I think people often blow off how significant her getting in was. Yes, Cloud was a bigger deal in the grand scheme of things but that's kind of the point. Bayo was more niche while Cloud is practically a house hold name. She is in by no means in the same echelon as characters like Ryu, Snake, or Megaman but she still made because Smash fans wanted her enough.

I think that's one of the cool things about this game. Sakurai has taken the "making the impossible, possible" to an extreme and let's just kind of go through the numbers of the new characters we've gotten so far:

-Characters that were former assist trophies or bosses: 3
-Characters that were ALTs: 3
-Characters that were Mii costumes: 5
-Characters that hadn't had a major appearance in at least a decade: 5
-Characters that Sakurai had previously turned down in past interviews: 3

It gets even wackier if you look at specifically the DLC:

-A common, generic enemy.
-A protagonist of a franchise that hasn't even had a major game on a Nintendo console yet.
-Literally all the major protagonists of a franchise that hasn't been licensed out to another gaming company in over 30 years.
-A character that is literally owned by one of Nintendo's biggest competitors and hasn't been on a Nintendo platform in almost 15 years.

This all said, it's not over until it's over.

 

[3BitSaurus]

It gets even wackier if you look at specifically the DLC:

-A common, generic enemy.
-A protagonist of a franchise that hasn't even had a major game on a Nintendo console yet.
-Literally all the major protagonists of a franchise that hasn't been licensed out to another gaming company in over 30 years.
-A character that is literally owned by one of Nintendo's biggest competitors and hasn't been on a Nintendo platform in almost 15 years.

This all said, it's not over until it's over.

"Coming next: a non-videogame character and a character that doesn't even exist yet!"

Okay, in all seriousness, PR talk and all, Reggie was 100% right when he said that we wouldn't expect the DLC. For one reason or another, everyone thought Joker, Hero and Banjo were all impossible.

I look forward to seeing what they'll come up with next. Maybe a character that was denied due to technical reasons? Looking at you, Heihachi! Or one that has absolutely no ties to Nintendo at all, like Kratos?

Even if Nintendo usually does the best reveals first, I feel like the sky is the limit right now.

 

[childishgamgeno]

You guys hear about the code names for the other two packs? It’s supposedly in the code on the Smash Website. Apparently Pack 4 is “RPG” and Pack 5 is “Origin”.

Some people speculate RPG might be Lloyd. But RPG...like Super Mario RPG?

 

[TheCJBrine]

You guys hear about the code names for the other two packs? It’s supposedly in the code on the Smash Website. Apparently Pack 4 is “RPG” and Pack 5 is “Origin”.

Some people speculate RPG might be Lloyd. But RPG...like Super Mario RPG?

I saw that leak.

Previous website "leaks" have all been fake, so I'm sure it's just Inspect Element, especially since they had it open. The challenger packs on the website's DLC page don't have the fighters' names yet like they did in the "leak," except Joker's of course.

 

[Ovaltine]

RPG would sound like Geno to me, given the DQ heroes have absolutely filled our JRPG swords guy quota and would make Lloyd feel awfully redundant, and Origin sounds like Rayman, possibly. That said, whatever that leak is, it already sounds like a huge fake to me. I wouldn't think anything of it.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

You guys hear about the code names for the other two packs? It’s supposedly in the code on the Smash Website. Apparently Pack 4 is “RPG” and Pack 5 is “Origin”.

Some people speculate RPG might be Lloyd. But RPG...like Super Mario RPG?

As CJBrine said it's probably fake but if it is real? Guessing that it references Super Mario RPG isn't too much of a stretch as it has RPG in it's name it would totally make sense.

Not only would it make sense but it would also follow a personal pattern of mine as well as what Reggie said about unexpected characters cause quite frankly nobody believes Geno could and would actually make it except for one or two people. "He's irrelevant, There can't be two characters from the same company, Spirits Deconfirm, Etc" It fits.

That said I don't think the leak is true if anything I expect if we do get another codename it'll be when Hero drops and that's if we get one.

 

[Datboigeno]

You guys hear about the code names for the other two packs? It’s supposedly in the code on the Smash Website. Apparently Pack 4 is “RPG” and Pack 5 is “Origin”.

Some people speculate RPG might be Lloyd. But RPG...like Super Mario RPG?

I’m pretty sure I saw it confirmed that this was fake.

That said, while on the Banjo discord today someone mentioned that an admin in papagenos ’s discord apparently has a friend who works in a warehouse or something and months ago saw some paperwork listing Luminary and Banjo amiibos along with Sans from Undertale and Waluigi. I’m extremely skeptical of this and honestly moreso the Waluigi part than anything else.

 

[Ovaltine]

I’m pretty sure I saw it confirmed that this was fake.

That said, while on the Banjo discord today someone mentioned that an admin in papagenos ’s discord apparently has a friend who works in a warehouse or something and months ago saw some paperwork listing Luminary and Banjo amiibos along with Sans from Undertale and Waluigi. I’m extremely skeptical of this and honestly moreso the Waluigi part than anything else.

Waluigi and Sans being the characters makes me extremely skeptical. Waluigi is an assist, even more of a deconfirmation than a spirit, and Sans is an indie rep that only VERY recently got to the Switch, a little while after the planning for the DLC even began, I believe. Not saying they're impossible, but they're insanely improbable.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

I’m pretty sure I saw it confirmed that this was fake.

That said, while on the Banjo discord today someone mentioned that an admin in papagenos ’s discord apparently has a friend who works in a warehouse or something and months ago saw some paperwork listing Luminary and Banjo amiibos along with Sans from Undertale and Waluigi. I’m extremely skeptical of this and honestly moreso the Waluigi part than anything else.

Yeah I don't believe in this one bit. How would a simple Warehouse worker know of Luminary and Banjo before people with inside sources like Polar, Tansut, Etc? While Tansut had some misinformation about Erdrick/Hero if he does indeed have a Square Source which he did I find it hard to believe a Warehouse Worker knew more than Tansut. And also wouldn't the other alts be made amiibos before Banjo? I may be wrong but I would think that to be the case.

Not to mention that Waluigi is an Assist Trophy, Why do I bring this up? Well I believe the people who think Waluigi may be DLC is thinking that due to the backlash but depending on when they decided DLC the backlash within itself wouldn't have even happened yet. Also because AT's are even more of a disconfirmation than Spirits which are debatable at worst.

I don't believe this at all, It's too out there and let's say the DLC was made before Smash Ultimate was revealed at E3, Why would you make Waluigi an Assist Trophy only to reveal him as DLC later on? That seems.. Weird, Don't get me wrong AT upgrades could happen in a Season Pass 2 but for the first one? I don't think so.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Remember HTML is the easiest thing to fake. And it's highly unlikely a warehouse already has slots available for a Sans and Waluigi amiibo when Banjo and Hero don't have announced amiibo yet. And how convenient that comes out after Hero and Banjo get announced and not before.

 

[EarlTamm]

Waluigi and Sans being the characters makes me extremely skeptical. Waluigi is an assist, even more of a deconfirmation than a spirit, and Sans is an indie rep that only VERY recently got to the Switch, a little while after the planning for the DLC even began, I believe. Not saying they're impossible, but they're insanely improbable.

Though considering the previous DLC character sand their shake ups, they strangely fit. Still skeptical and would like to see some proper evidence besides word of mouth, but this has been the trend.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I seriously doubt Sans. Toby Fox is extremely strict about who can and can't sell merchandise with his stuff, he overwhelmingly prefers fan made creations, and routinely tells big companies and retailers to go pork themselves.

https://undertale.tumblr.com/post/139726155020/changing-policy-on-fan-merch

 

[TheCJBrine]

To be fair, the Sans and Waluigi amiibos don't have to be specifically Smash, because if I remember correctly the last time I saw a post from a guy on PapaGenos's discord (I guess the same admin) bring up the amiibo stuff, I think he said the papers weren't said to be specifically Smash. In the post I remember, however, he only mentioned Banjo-Kazooie.

I can definitely believe in a Sans amiibo happening, although I'm not sure how it'd be used unless they add a Sans spirit to Smash...but that'd be weird unless it's amiibo-exclusive or something, which still seems weird, but meh, I guess Toby Fox could add some Switch-exclusive feature to Deltarune or Undertale that requires the amiibo...

Remember HTML is the easiest thing to fake. And it's highly unlikely a warehouse already has slots available for a Sans and Waluigi amiibo when Banjo and Hero don't have announced amiibo yet. And how convenient that comes out after Hero and Banjo get announced and not before.

This guy actually mentioned the warehouse and B-K amiibo way before yesterday's reveals.

 

[MissingGlitch]

To be fair, the Sans and Waluigi amiibos don't have to be specifically Smash, because if I remember correctly the last time I saw a post from a guy on PapaGenos's discord (I guess the same admin) bring up the amiibo stuff, I think he said the papers weren't said to be specifically Smash.

I can definitely believe in a Sans amiibo happening, although I'm not sure how it'd be used unless they add a Sans spirit to Smash...but that'd be weird unless it's amiibo-exclusive or something, which still seems weird, but meh, I guess Toby Fox could add some Switch-exclusive feature to Deltarune or Undertale that requires the amiibo...



This guy actually mentioned the warehouse and B-K amiibo way before yesterday's reveals.

Is it that same guy that said "Oh that amiibo paper was actually for the other Banjo figure but there is also amiibo paper work for an official smash one"

 

[TheCJBrine]

Is it that same guy that said "Oh that amiibo paper was actually for the other Banjo figure but there is also amiibo paper work for an official smash one"

He mentioned a Smash one specifically? I dunno, I just remember his post being shared in the B-K thread - I don't go on Discord so I don't even know what they discuss in any server, I just assumed it may be the same guy since I remember the same "friend, warehouse, amiibo" story.

 

[GillyGrime]

Has anyone recently talked about how the theory behind Duck Hunt and Mii Swordfighter crashing Century Smash was due to them being used as a frame for DLC fighters? Cause with Banjo and Hero revealed, it seems that the theory was accurate.

Maybe we should keep our eyes pealed to see if any upcoming updates cause a similar issue. Perhaps if Megaman or Mii Gunner trigger crashes, it might be a good sign for Geno down the line. Food for thought.

 

[MissingGlitch]

He mentioned a Smash one specifically? I dunno, I just remember his post being shared in the B-K thread - I don't go on Discord so I don't even know what they discuss in any server, I just assumed it may be the same guy since I remember the same "friend, warehouse, amiibo" story.

There was so many conflicting Banjo reports I don't blame you for not exactly knowing. A lot happened in shorts amount of time.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Woah woah woah. RPG in the codes?
I won't believe it until Popeye comes out and confirm it

 

[Fatmanonice]

Woah woah woah. RPG in the codes?
I won't believe it until Popeye comes out and confirm it

It's fake. Even the main coding/data mining expert in Sabi's private Discord is reassuring us that it's fake.

 

[DaxMasterix]

It's fake. Even the main coding/data mining expert in Sabi's private Discord is reassuring us that it's fake.

Thanks you! <3 :3 You deserve the best

 

[EarlTamm]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

 

[wynn728]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

Sora. Like, the only other option is 2B who is great, but you can't beat Sora.

 

[DaxMasterix]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

Sora (even tho is thecnically a Disney owned mascot, People still relates it to SE and that's impossible to deny), More FF characters and perhaps Lara Croft.

 

[Polarthief]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

- Geno (obs), possibly Mallow (ridiculously less likely, though it would be cool if Mallow is in Geno's final smash or some move of his)
- Pretty much every primary FF Protagonist will get some attention (even ones like "Warrior of Light", anyone from FF2, Onion Knight... Tidus...)
== If I had to guess which ones have any level of possibility: Terra or Kefka (FF6), Squall (FF8), Zidane (FF9), Tidus and/or Yuna (FF10)
- Bravely Default rep? (I'd be down if it's Ringabel or Edea)
- Sora... (my #1 most NOT wanted character since it's another block for Geno and... just no thank you)
- Lara Croft (though that'd be a really weird "Square" rep)
- Someone from Octopath Traveler (don't know the names, sorry)

If we're going by characters who actually have a chance (e.g., popular picks):
- SMRPG: Geno
- FF: Terra, Kefka (honestly I think FF6 is the next most "popular" FF after FF7) (edit: forgot Sephiroth, but would they REALLY go with another FF7 rep?)
- BD: Ringabel or Edea (barely remember the Bravely Second characters, but both Ringabel and Edea would be great picks, maybe alt costumes? If so, include the others because why not)
- KH: Sora (please don't)
Edit: - Chrono Trigger: Chrono, if Nintendo somehow thinks everyone will be okay with "yet another Eastern Anime Swordsman".

 

[ShotoStar 2]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

Sora, Chrono and maybe some FF characters like Squall and Septhiroth. Maybe Lara as well but I don't really know chief.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

If Geno is indeed out of the running which I don't think he is just yet it really depends on the Mii Costume, Who would you want after him? I'd focus my attention on my dude Phoenix Wright cause I recently started playing the trilogy on Switch and the games are so great and the music is so fantastic! If Geno is indeed out of the running I'd want Phoenix Wright in Smash 100%.

But I don't think Geno is out of the running just yet not until we see if the Mii Costume returns or not, If anything I see more hope for Geno than anything after Banjo's reveal which you'd think would be the opposite with Erdrick being a Square rep. Even I feel more hopeful for Geno now which is strange.

Doomguy or sans undertale.

 

[Fatmanonice]

You know, besides Geno of course, who do ytou think are going to be the popular Square character requests from the community?

Sora. No contest. He's definitely one of those evergreen fanbases that won't quit until he's in a Smash game. Honestly, looking at the landscape, there's only a few that I would really categorize like this. Shantae and BWD are others. Still trying to gauge how shook the Isaac fanbase was. Waluigi, Ashley, and Shadow will probably always have a vocal fanbase too. Maybe Rayman.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

The only other characters I could see being added prior to Geno would be Lara Croft and Sora, and only Sora is actively liked by the community. Lara Croft shouldn't be underestimated given how well the current Tomb Raider revival seems to be going, but she also doesn't necessarily bring as much to the other table as many other choices. Maybe I'm just unfamiliar with Tomb Raider in that regard though, but she also doesn't seem like much of a priority to Square Enix either since she was born from Eidos originally and isn't as intrinsically linked to the company DNA as the likes of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.

Sora will remain a complete tossup chance wise (I mean, until we know more about how he functions in a licensing sense, he's damn near impossible to even attempt to make accurate predictions on), but he's definitely the other big Square Enix character in the community. He's almost in a never-ever category of his own with Disney rights like Banjo Kazooie used to be. I don't really think he's coming and there may be a lot more to deal with before he's even got a serious shot, but he is beloved by many fans both in and out of Smash.

And I don't see any other characters really superseding Geno. I guess 2B is kind of big right now and could potentially stick around, but she has already managed to crossover and I'm not sure if Square Enix would prioritize her, and I'm mostly certain Sakurai wouldn't. Games like the other Final Fantasies, Bravely Default, Mana, etc. all lack a sufficiently popular face. Sephiroth has his fans, but he's also a second Final Fantasy VII character, which I find pretty unlikely too. Crono is also more or less abandoned like the series, so I wouldn't count on him either.

So really, the more we can rule out Sora, the more likely the next character up would be Geno in my mind. And again, I think that Sora doesn't really have the best of chances right now since he's just in such a weird place.

That's more or less what I think of the non-Geno field for Square Enix at this point, and I think Geno generally comes out on top of most of those as just a pure fan request that Sakurai would want to realize.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I seriously doubt Sans. Toby Fox is extremely strict about who can and can't sell merchandise with his stuff, he overwhelmingly prefers fan made creations, and routinely tells big companies and retailers to go pork themselves.

https://undertale.tumblr.com/post/139726155020/changing-policy-on-fan-merch

I agree to a certain extent, but since Toby clearly loves Nintendo, if they approached him with an offer to put one of his characters in a game, I think he would take it. I certainly think he wouldn't actively campaign for it though.

 

[ZelDan]

Well, if he doesn't get into Super Smash Bros, maybe Sans can still make it in Super Smashing Fighters.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

At this point, I think the only thing that would legitimately surprise me would be sans (or Quote I suppose) or Geno, without getting into people who already seem dis-confirmed like Isaac or Bomberman. I'm even expecting Doomguy, to a certain extent.

 

[P47]

The story of how Geno becomes a fighter is that out of all of the spirits that had lost their bodies, his spirit is the only one that is able to find said lost body and therefore is able to join the rest of the roster in battle.

Just thought of this today.

Quick someone superimpose his Smash spirit icon onto this

 

[Fatmanonice]

I agree to a certain extent, but since Toby clearly loves Nintendo, if they approached him with an offer to put one of his characters in a game, I think he would take it. I certainly think he wouldn't actively campaign for it though.

Yes and no. I see it as a weird situation if only because of the inevitable Amiibos, which would ironically cost more than Undertale, and are literally mass produced, factory made brick-a-brack. Fans would want Amiibos and Nintendo knows this all too well so Nintendo would probably refuse an offer to Toby if he wasn't cool with them.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I really do think Sans is this game's community meme pick. Like Goku, Shrek, and SpongeBob of days of old.