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They would be pretty stupid to ignore the fact that DQ has always underperformed or did poorly in the West. Even they should realize that it would be a risky/potentially financially liable move over someone like Sora or even Geno. The former would almost assuredly be a big hit
I mean it’s not like Joker’s coming from a massive franchise. I’d consider him a fan favorite. Persona while popular isn’t necessarily a juggernaut of sales.
lol no need to get so defensive I clearly meant Erdrick was generic not all of DQ. I agree that there’s a lot to DQ that’s not generic. Hence why I think slime would be a DQ Rep. Even if he didn’t only use a sword and had some magic idk if that’s enough to make him super interesting to a lot of people.
Bruh. We've seen one Fighter Pass character so far. We can't exactly use that as a definitive indicator of what the rest of the DLC is gonna be like, can we?
I already talked about this, but it's normal for businesses to spend money for promotion. It wouldnt be considered anymore a risk than that. But anyway it's big enough in japan to justify it just on sales. Tho obviously it would spread easily enough elsewhere, being smash.
I personally hope that Erdrick is a character that uses multiple weapons and gear to in his game play mechanics to pay homage to his JRPG roots. Like most people have said, he is kind of a template type character when you compare him to names like Cloud and Joker. But that may work in his favor to introduce a unique game mechanic like collecting armor or weapons on the stage to "customize" your player. Im sure they will think of something if he is indeed in.
I dont know why youre saying defensive, just felt like mentioning. Most people say they're generic because of certain reasons. If you think the design is generic then there's plenty of people who'd feel differently, since toriyama's art is liked by a lot of people and isn't considered as generic as other anime. Personally I find cloud's design more bland. And then as far as having more personality, that's pretty easy to do for a dragon quest character. I like the images that Naoyatodo drew lately:
There's different mechanics every game, but keeps the turn-based combat which a lot of people like (especially compared to where FF is going, even if personally I like both.) There's class systems, monster taming systems, skill trees, and nowadays the games dont have the ol' random encounters which is a good step.
Erdrick Mechanics set - Leveling up and MP systems
In this post I'm going to talk about 2 possible mechanics that could work for a dragon quest hero. It's not a moveset, but instead a mechanics set. Both Leveling up and having Mana points could work entirely seperately, but I decided to put them together here.
MP:
Mana points are used by magical spells, and maybe even some other attacks (like in order to turn them into more powerful skills.)
In order to avoid players being passive by regenerating mana automatically, regaining mp could happen on attacks that are landed. (Bonus: on level ups too)
Alternate idea: Fast automatic mp regeneration.
Level UP:
The hero character would gain exp in order to level up and gain boosts, at least on attacks as well as higher max mp. (speed and knockback possibly too?)
Smash has all kinds of matches (long and short), which means the mechanic has to be limited in some way in order to prevent a character from being overpowered on longer matches, and allow shorter matches to be balanced as well. This can be done by either a low level/strength cap, or resetting levels each stock, or losing 1 level when losing a stock along with a cap.
Gaining exp to level up would be on attacks landed, in addition to some other actions. so that even matches with short stock counts would allow to level up.
Stats
Lvl1(base):
example tilt-attack: 10% dmg
max mp: 10
lvl2: 12% dmg & 12 max mp.
lvl3: 14% dmg & 14 max mp.
(etc)
Magic
(example) Sizz using 2mp. Zap using 4 mp. etc
MP regen per hit: 2 or 3 mp depending on which attack. And no regen on magic attacks.
extra -> mana regained on level ups: 4-5 mp
EXP
exp needed to level up: 100 (lvl2) -> 150 (lvl3) -> 200 (lvl4) -> etc
(note: that's for if exp points get back to 0 on a level up.)
Exp gained per attack or spell landed: 30 pts
on shield: 5 pts
on grab: 5 pts
on throw: 20 pts
on KO: 80 or 100 pts ?
on item pick-up: 5 pts ?
So, starting out, the hero would need about 4 normal hits for the first level up, but then that would increase by around 2 each time. (so getting to level 3 from lvl2 would take 5 or 6 clean hits). Other actions would give some exp too, but not as much as getting a clean hit or ko.
Everytime someone would get a normal hit, we could see either near it or near the hero's portrait how much exp and mp were gained, either with numbers or bars, or both.
It could feel like attacks in rpgs that give back some mp, as well as gaining something towards leveling up.
This is one way that the mechanics could work in smash, and there are a few ways to design it so that the character is balanced. I think my favorite is a combination of both a low enough level cap (anywhere between lvl 4 to 9 or 10), and losing a stock removing a level or 2. Resetting back to lvl 1 when losing a stock could be fine too if the character is designed with fast levelling in mind.
thanks for reading
Yup, for quite a long while. People can go talk there if they want. I definitely think it's better to focus on geno than bring up erdrick too often.
The only thing of credible notion was Sabi mentioning water cooler talk involving Geno happened by a credible Nintendo Ambassador back near the beginning of November. Nothing else has come from this and everything else regarding Geno has been radio silent. He was involved as one of the Seven names listed of Square Enix characters but he was noted as 'don't take that one too seriously'
It came off as defensive because you assumed I didn't know much about DQ because I called some aspect of it generic. It's just personal taste. Erdrick's function is a blank slate for players to use in DQ3. He is by creation generic with little to no distinguishable personality characteristics. Anyone can draw fanart of a character and give them more personality. But within DQ he's pretty purposely one-note as was the intention in his design. Hence why having more unique characters with more personality like Geno or even slime would be preferable to me personally and a lot of people. Hence the overall resistance to wanting Erdrick as a new character.I dont know why youre saying defensive, just felt like mentioning. Most people say they're generic because of certain reasons. If you think the design is generic then there's plenty of people who'd feel differently, since toriyama's art is liked by a lot of people and isn't considered as generic as other anime. Personally I find cloud's design more bland. And then as far as having more personality, that's pretty easy to do for a dragon quest character. I like the images that Naoyatodo drew lately:
(image isn't working but you can click reply to see it, i think)
If they go for a Hero as a Class character, akin to Pokemon Trainer and Villager, they can just use Luminary and Eight, who would sell the best worldwide and overall, as the main face(at least for costumes 1 and 2 in the US/UK. Maybe the JP regions can have a different costume 1 or 2?), but keep Erdrick as a de facto alt. Like, if you're having various alts, Erdrick absolutely should be there. If you're not, maybe a reference to him at least? Even Slime could have his main helmet as an alt, depending how it would affect the moveset.
So basically, as far as hard evidence for Geno's inclusion, we got nothing. The lack of Mii costume thus far is a good sign, but that can change quickly depending on what we get for E3. As for any pattern with the fighter pass, there really isn't one yet as far as I can tell. We'll have to get the second and possibly third character before we can even start to connect the dots. Unfortunately, speculation is purely that until the next reveal. On the positive side, for Geno at least, I haven't seen any concrete evidence for any other characters getting in beyond people's general interpretation of cryptic tweets, internet whispers, and reading of the political gaming environment. It's still anyone's game and anyone's guess, so fingers crossed.
It's not just fan art, erdrick was given personality in the official art. Back in the day people had to use their imagination because nes sprites dont carry as much as other art. Here's some official art that was used:
Is it just me or does Erdrick look like kid Gohan wearing a sheet and a tiara? lol Then again, doesn't all of Toriyama's characters? They have like three different faces and three different body types: For men, we've got thin Roshi, fat buu and stupidly ripped. Even a newborn baby is build like a roided-out bodybuilder. Then the women come in two types: bean-shaped little girls and hour-glass adults. I mean, he makes it work but I still find it funny how recognizable his style is.It's not just fan art, erdrick was given personality in the official art. Back in the day people had to use their imagination because nes sprites dont carry as much as other art. Here's some official art that was used:
There's also different mangas that probably gave a lot more too. I havent read them myself.
And then erdrick has quite a bit of impact in Battle Victory, though it didn't release in the west.
It's hard to say. Buying the costume means complicity with what they're doing with him, but it also shows that Geno is profitable. It's a double-edged sword, and I wouldn't say one way or another whether it's objectively the best idea. I personally will be buying it again, but I will only magnify my support and outcry for Geno to come back, Smash or not. (I'd prefer outside of Smash, both because I think it'd do him more justice just prior to a Smash inclusion + less work for Sakurai.)
I dont think the others know that it comes from Fortune Street ;p
What about Waluigi? He says he's the legendary hero.
Imagine Geno interacting with WarioWhat about Waluigi? He says he's the legendary hero.
Oh i see, youre a wario main
Since they did a japanese version with FF characters in it, I'd like to see one that has more nintendo and square enix characters.
Wouldnt it be cool to have geno playable in there too?
"I guess the Booster family line continued, after all."
I think you're mistaken in labeling Joker as a fan favorite, but if Joker qualifies as a fan favorite just because he was in a recent successful and acclaimed game, then our chances are screwed regardless.
I think we can. Especially given we've told that one character is emblematic of all to come.
Imagine not being able to go back literally 1-2 pages to see for yourself
I think the term "fan-favorite" can mean a lot of things.
Alright calm down it's just a joke
"Nope! Wario doesn't think so! Now outta the way, doll face!"
No, we really can't given that both Nintendo and Square have been leakbaiting a lot of people. People who're saying Sora is out from the recent French tweet that claimed Hashimoto is saying he's not coming are forgetting two things: he's jebaited people before like the company he's worked for and NDAs mean you have to say no to any questions over a character inclusion. The same logic holds true for Geno, and the only person who claimed "not to take Geno too seriously" was Vergeben's "source". And we all know how faulty his track record has been for DLC
I honestly think every SE rep is still on the table for this reason alone. There has been so much confusion and conflicting reports on who and if there is a SE rep that It can still be anyone or no one at all.
You might notice that I didn't mention any leaks or Square Enix reps at all in the post you were replying to.
Okay, but Kratos and Crash would both be absolutely legit, though.
I just can't belive that this wednesday is the Pokemon Direct and a few days later the upcoming Nintendo Direct for E3. Months ago I just wanted it to happen, now I'm here having November 1st flashbacks, oh gawd. I feel so impatient and bewildered.
Sakurai needs to continue the Playstation All Stars pattern somehow.
*Come E3*
God bless, absolute classic
