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Only Corrin was added to promote their game. It doesn't make much sense for Nintendo to push a character for one spin-off title and
were explicitly added due to fan demand.
Firstly, there is a lot of suspicion surrounding Bayo's inclusion, so I think declaring her as due solely to "fan demand" is a bit presumptuous. As for Cloud, it doesn't appear as though he was specifically added as a promotion for anything in particular, though the improved relationship with SE and the subsequent porting of FF7 and several other FF games to switch seem to be a reasonably profitable ulterior motive, does it not? Then we have Joker. His release came hand in hand with the announcement of P5 Scramble. Even if that game isn't a port of P5 itself, he is obviously promotion of it and possibly other Persona IPs that could come to switch in the future. Remember, promotion doesn't only have to be for a particular and strategically placed game. It could be the building of bridges between Nintendo and their former rivals/other developers for the sake of mutual benefit. Hence why Banjo's chances are looking so good right now. With Microsoft starting to warm up to Nintendo, there's never been a better time.Only Corrin was added to promote their game. It doesn't make much sense for Nintendo to push a character for one spin-off title and
Doesn't mean they aren't either. DLC is a different animal from normal roster inclusions, especially when the execs are calling the shots. Considering the insane advertisement power of just existing in Smash, why WOULDN'T a company use that to their advantage? Again, the next reveal or two will tell the tale.
Hm. I like that logic. The fact that we haven't yet seen a Geno costume does seem to support this for now. Here's to hoping.
What happened with 2B?
One of the directors (I believe? Someone just Very High Up.) blatantly said that 2B was not invited to Smash this time, long after DLC was already decided. She's in much the same state as Sora, except we have definite confirmation that this was said from the man himself instead of sketchy 'proof'.
Can I get a source on that?
Never felt that she had much of a shot, but the confirmation is good.
I mean, you can argue basically anything and there's no way to prove it or disprove it with regards to which characters overtook Bayonetta in regards to the polls, but weren't realizable. I'm doubtful Geno was ever in that position during Smash 4 when Final Fantasy clearly took priority and absolutely should have. People can argue Dragon Quest and I'll concede a relatively minor amount of room given it's not absolutely huge in the West (not that I think that matters as much as people here seem to, but oh well), but I'm fully of the opinion that missing the chance to include Final Fantasy in Smash would have been a massive mistake. Cloud was in development during the same period, so I'm much more inclined to suspect that Cloud was the deal that had been decided upon from the beginning and that Geno's Mii costume was a nod to his popularity given they had their first pick already lined up for Smash. I really doubt two Square-Enix characters was an option for Smash 4's fairly limited DLC newcomer selection. The Mii costume did release with Cloud, so that's always my sort of sticking point with him and Smash 4. We only got two Square Enix costumes from Square, with Geno being one of those two in a fairly unprecedented moment. That fact communicates to me that they don't really have an issue with letting him into things (Especially when they once again let him be a Spirit and Player Icon in Ultimate).
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when he says that this statement is far from an end all/be all to his chances for the game in much the same way that I think Steve still isn't out of the running just because of Aubrey's comments. They can get away with a whole damn lot even if under NDA, but again, we just can't know that (Also, I'm always soooo happy *sarcasm* to see NDAs come up as they're one of the categories that can just sort of be whatever people want them to be for the sake of conversation and we exist in a perpetual state of Schrodinger's NDA until DLC is revealed). Dragon Quest, however, still seems like a real threat and will be for the foreseeable future. This might be Geno's time to shine now that the Final Fantasy roadblock has been moved out of his way though. IF we get a Square Enix rep at all...If we look back at the Nintendo dream article in 2015, Sakurai said that, while he wasn't able to get him as a fighter, he was able to achieve that of a Mii costume, implying that, yes, he did attempt to get Geno playable in Smash 4.I mean, you can argue basically anything and there's no way to prove it or disprove it with regards to which characters overtook Bayonetta in regards to the polls, but weren't realizable. I'm doubtful Geno was ever in that position during Smash 4 when Final Fantasy clearly took priority and absolutely should have. People can argue Dragon Quest and I'll concede a relatively minor amount of room given it's not absolutely huge in the West (not that I think that matters as much as people here seem to, but oh well), but I'm fully of the opinion that missing the chance to include Final Fantasy in Smash would have been a massive mistake. Cloud was in development during the same period, so I'm much more inclined to suspect that Cloud was the deal that had been decided upon from the beginning and that Geno's Mii costume was a nod to his popularity given they had their first pick already lined up for Smash. I really doubt two Square-Enix characters was an option for Smash 4's fairly limited DLC newcomer selection. The Mii costume did release with Cloud, so that's always my sort of sticking point with him and Smash 4. We only got two Square Enix costumes from Square, with Geno being one of those two in a fairly unprecedented moment. That fact communicates to me that they don't really have an issue with letting him into things (Especially when they once again let him be a Spirit and Player Icon in Ultimate).
Final Fantasy is now out of the way and already in the game, so that's a point in favor of Geno potentially as DLC. Sora took a hit, though I agree with
Mario Maker 2. Duh. Have you seen that thing ballin' it up in the flying Koopa Kar? JK, but seriously, Piranha Plant was both UNPAID DLC and blatantly the handiwork of Sakurai himself. Can't really be compared to the fighter pass since those 5 are decided by the execs who are likely more interested in dollar signs (or yen signs?) than anything else.
I don't really see why negotiation with SE necessarily had to be Geno or FF. Sakurai/Nintendo could have gone to them with both Geno and Cloud as possibilities and SE could have shot down Geno and then accepted Cloud. Considering Geno of all characters was the mii costume out of all the other SE characters possible like Sephiroth, Black Mage, a slime, Chrono, etc. and the fact that they even acknowledged he had huge fan support I think it's very unlikely he was never a part of the conversation as a playable rep. But as you said SE probably just saw FF/Cloud as the more obvious choice.I mean, you can argue basically anything and there's no way to prove it or disprove it with regards to which characters overtook Bayonetta in regards to the polls, but weren't realizable. I'm doubtful Geno was ever in that position during Smash 4 when Final Fantasy clearly took priority and absolutely should have. People can argue Dragon Quest and I'll concede a relatively minor amount of room given it's not absolutely huge in the West (not that I think that matters as much as people here seem to, but oh well), but I'm fully of the opinion that missing the chance to include Final Fantasy in Smash would have been a massive mistake. Cloud was in development during the same period, so I'm much more inclined to suspect that Cloud was the deal that had been decided upon from the beginning and that Geno's Mii costume was a nod to his popularity given they had their first pick already lined up for Smash. I really doubt two Square-Enix characters was an option for Smash 4's fairly limited DLC newcomer selection. The Mii costume did release with Cloud, so that's always my sort of sticking point with him and Smash 4. We only got two Square Enix costumes from Square, with Geno being one of those two in a fairly unprecedented moment. That fact communicates to me that they don't really have an issue with letting him into things (Especially when they once again let him be a Spirit and Player Icon in Ultimate).
Final Fantasy is now out of the way and already in the game, so that's a point in favor of Geno potentially as DLC. Sora took a hit, though I agree with
I was joking too. Hence the "JK". Sorry if I went overboard.
Nah, you're fine
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had linked to but people are saying this here deconfirms 2B and may have other information but typical translators are screwing it all up. Feel free to do this if you have the time.Well here is a link to that page in the Iwata Asks where Iwata mentions it was essentially a threat. MatPat also covers it roughly halfway through his Smash Ultimate theory video.
You got sources on these?
So at the mo I've found sources for Jessie McCartney and Derek Stephen saying they weren't reprising anything in KH3.
So, first, for Jesse McCartney, he didn't outright say that he wasn't going to be voice acting. He gave a neutral response of "I don't know yet." This is different from an official statement explicitly saying "we have no plans for Sora in SSBU."
It's a talk from Gaming Industry Chit Chat End of Year Party 2018 livestreamed on Niconico.Ayeee, so not to put a workload on a friend here, but A Ayumi Tachibana would it be possible for you to translate this? http://www.mutyun.com/archives/59311.html
I think this may be what
Now, onto breaking this illusion for Sora.
- The voice actors for Vexen and Roxas (may have been Ventus, who knows, they are basically the same character) both publicly denied returning for their roles in KH3. Guess what though? They TOTALLY still voiced those roles in KH3. Huh, this means that a hard 'Nope!' is acceptable under NDA.
- Shinji apparently denied the existence of FF7Remake being in the works only for it to be publicly announced a week or so later. Huh, that would imply that Shinji can and has given us false information about projects under NDA before in the past... :thonk:
- This one is the CRAZY one! Shinji doesn't HAVE to know a damn thing about Sora being in Smash Ultimate. Sora is owned by the company only second to Square Enix for how much **** we talk about them, DISNEY! They really don't care too much about video games over film, have already mentioned being okay with Sora in other games, and they only have to get the good-will of Testuya Nomura who is a best-buddy of Sakurai's and they have talked about wanting to work together on something recently. Shinji wouldn't have to know ANYTHING and Sora could still happen, and yet even if he DOES know, his response lines up just fine under NDA and his and Square's track record.
Well here is a link to that page in the Iwata Asks where Iwata mentions it was essentially a threat. MatPat also covers it roughly halfway through his Smash Ultimate theory video.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/ssbb/0/1
That's not entirely accurate to say with regards to Geno. He mentioned the Brawl era specifically with Geno and having an interest in including him back then. He said nothing of Smash 4. There's no implication of him trying to get Geno in Smash 4, all that he says is that he's aware of the requests and wanted the fans to have something, hence the development of the Mii costume. You're making a big jump to say the existence of the Mii costume implies a failed negotiation for Geno in Smash 4. Sakurai's quote is that, "Even though he still isn't in as a playable fighter, I made sure he'd be in as Mii costume so his fans would at least feel like they get something." All that we can actually take away from that quote is that Geno isn't a fighter in Smash and the Mii costume was developed for the fans. The specifics of why Geno isn't in Smash 4 aren't implied at all. You can choose to make the assumption that he asked for Geno and was turned down, but there's no evidence to contribute to that. He only specifically calls out Brawl and how Geno didn't end up materializing for that game.
I mean he could have. Again, we don't know in the least bit. But I'm much more inclined to believe that Cloud and Final Fantasy were the priority for everyone involved, including Sakurai himself. Geno in particular has fan support, so I think Sakurai wanted to see him included in some fashion with a Mii costume given he knew how the fan base might respond if nothing Geno related came up. He was the Mii costume because of his popularity in the Smash community, and they didn't go beyond Final Fantasy content for other series too. The Square situation is certainly strange, but they've also got the most complicated rights and expenditures with regards to IPs, and I suspect Geno was likely one of the cheaper options for a Mii costume anyway. We don't really know why we've gotten so little content from them. But I do think when Sakurai has spoken of the limited resources available for DLC, it makes way more sense to go with one character in mind and he seems to have clearly stated that representing Final Fantasy was a big deal to him in Smash and that Cloud was a way to make lots of people happy. There just are limits to how much he could do with DLC, so I really do suspect that they only ever had one candidate on the table.
Yeah I think that’s a huge assumption on your part given the only thing Sakurai has said about Geno is that he wanted to make him playable but it didn’t work out so we got the mii costume instead. That doesn’t sound like a situation where he was always only intended to be a mii costume.Especially when we have a quote showing certain requests were rejected.
Again, the article says "he didn't appear as a fighter, but I was able to achieve that of a Mii costume" implying that he did indeed attempt to get Geno for Smash 4. He wouldn't have mentioned the bit about him not appearing as a fighter if his intent was solely to get the Mii costume from the beginning.
People can lie under NDA. I'm not saying they're in, but there's no way they would ever admit it in an interview. I take those statements with a grain of salt.
As in, why not ask the creator(s) of SMRPG if Geno is a fighter?
Not if a character isn't in. If someone is clear and upfront about a character not being in, then they probably mean exactly what they say.
That's impossible, it's one of the biggest gaming conventions where a lot of people could see the new character and make Nintendo the most money
Or they could give a neutral response, which is something like "we'll see."
Oh no, I know full well it's impossible. That was just a fun "What if" sorta question.
Oh then I would definitely reee tbh
They could, but I dunno.
