Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MissingGlitch]

I feel like a lot of the Steve votes were ironic and/or based on him being highly rumored. Also interesting to see that even with him being highly rumored/expected Erdrick didn’t make it into any top spots. Really happy with Geno’s placement though. Tbh it’s very similar to many polls that came out between Sm4sh and SSBU so it’s cool to see he didn’t really slide as far as popularity goes even with him being a spirit and getting so much hate.

If there is any character that people really overestimate the popularity of. It's Erdrick.

The games might be extremely popular. But that doesn't mean the character is.

 

[Deleted member]

We are now tied for the newcomer thread with the most pages.

 

[Teeb147]

I feel like a lot of the Steve votes were ironic and/or based on him being highly rumored. Also interesting to see that even with him being highly rumored/expected Erdrick didn’t make it into any top spots. Really happy with Geno’s placement though. Tbh it’s very similar to many polls that came out between Sm4sh and SSBU so it’s cool to see he didn’t really slide as far as popularity goes even with him being a spirit and getting so much hate.

At least Erdrick made it higher than Crono which I find interesting.
But I think any western poll will have erdrick lower than if it was japanese :/

I'm not surprised by Steve's popularity, but as far as smash fans go I am a little.

 

[BZL8]

Daniel Ahmad. He's a financial analyst that mainly covers the Southeast Asia and Chinese video game markets. He is also a prominent industry insider that has a lot of connections in various gaming industries, but he doesn't tend to be public about what he knows. Of course, when he does go public with such info, his track record is pretty nigh-spotless.

If anyone is still skeptical of him being in the know of Smash related stuff, here he is deconfirming the Grinch Leak and hinting of a "secret character" back in October.

So if we put the pieces together we may end up with something like:

Incineroar and Ken are in.
Shadow and Isaac are back as ATs.
Mach Rider and Chorus Kids are normal trophies.
Banjo is not in the game.
Geno ???
A surprise character, maybe even two. One could be from a third party (SE?).

Seems a few people here are putting pieces together.

Pieces connecting.

Source: https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...eculation-read-op.77842/page-66#post-14402843

 

[TheCJBrine]

Twitter seems to be more-noticeable or more-comfortable for people outside of the hardcore Smash fanbase, so I'm not surprised by Steve's position. He was wanted for Smash on Miiverse and a post on the Minecraft subreddit got a good amount of upvotes.

I don't doubt that some 4chan trolls voted for him, though. The fact that he's seen as troll-wrothy kinda hurts, even if I find the 4chan Steve model to be kinda funny on its own. Steve's position seems like it could plausibly be unironic, though, as Minecraft is, of course, very popular, and I feel it'd be nicer to assume that than to downplay his popularity. I could assume the same for other characters. Plus, even with rumors in speculation, it may encourage some fans to actually be vocal; I know it helped encourage me to be vocal, as rude people on Youtube and other places, bashing the game and its fanbase, made me shy to bring up Minecraft plus I tend to sometimes need a nudge to get an idea in my head, even if it's something I'd love.

 

[Teeb147]

If there is any character that people really overestimate the popularity of. It's Erdrick.

The games might be extremely popular. But that doesn't mean the character is.

In the case of Erdrick it really has to do with the japanese fans. Dragon Quest is one of the most popular series over there, and Dragon Quest 3 got the most love. If the hero gets in, it's much deserved japanese treat. The main character of it is naturally a pretty big deal.

There was a poll for best rpgs in Famitsu (a renown magazine over there), and look at which game was voted #2:
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/5825-r...rote-on-the-top-20-of-famitsu-s-best-rpg-poll

 

[Ovaltine]

'Ey, 'ey, let's not trash Erdrick in here, a'ight? Besides, he objectively is a big deal in Japan. Let's just not go there.

Also thanks BZL8 for providing that info. Have to say your signature makes me curious, though, considering the circumstances our boy is in right now. Why do you consider Geno a 'safe pick'?

 

[BZL8]

'Ey, 'ey, let's not trash Erdrick in here, a'ight? Besides, he objectively is a big deal in Japan. Let's just not go there.

Also thanks BZL8 for providing that info. Have to say your signature makes me curious, though, considering the circumstances our boy is in right now. Why do you consider Geno a 'safe pick'?

For the characters I want, their placements as either "safe, unlikely, or crack" depend on the support these characters have in the general Smash and Nintendo communities and the circumstances that surround a potential placement.

Because Geno is so highly talked about in the general Smash and Nintendo communities, and other circumstances (platform of origin, Nintendo's involvement, etc.) generally make him fairly easy to acquire, I consider him a "safe" pick. Even though signs point to Geno not being in, his circumstances make him easy to acquire for a potential inclusion in a future installment.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I feel like a lot of the Steve votes were ironic and/or based on him being highly rumored. Also interesting to see that even with him being highly rumored/expected Erdrick didn’t make it into any top spots. Really happy with Geno’s placement though. Tbh it’s very similar to many polls that came out between Sm4sh and SSBU so it’s cool to see he didn’t really slide as far as popularity goes even with him being a spirit and getting so much hate.

That's highly doubtful. Character is a gaming icon and extremely popular. He got a lot of votes because he's simply liked. You're looking too much at the Smash bubble and the vocal minority on a few forums. They don't really speak well for everyone. The votes themselves really speak well for his popularity as is, especially with the idea of him being playable. B&K is absolutely a more popular pick for Smash itself, which is entirely expected.

The votes honestly seem extremely realistic to begin with. Nothing is suspicious whatsoever. There's no need to make up conspiracy theories just because a character you don't prefer is highly voted. That's just silly and undermines the entire poll instead. You could say that for any character at that point. If we can't take one voted character seriously, just how many were ironic voters beyond that? Could be a lot at this point. How many were meme votes? Etc. The most logical way, unless there's any real evidence of this possibility, is to look at it as nothing but genuine votes.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I wonder when people will stop pretending SMRPG was some obscure game that no one knows about. It's been rereleased way more often than Banjo Kazooie. And pitting these characters against each other makes no sense. Both are boomer favorites and Geno has certainly been more demanded for Smash than Banjo has. I also wonder when people will stop thinking it's a crazy idea that a character gets added based of of fan demand, of which Geno has more of than just about any character left in the running. There's something to say about a characters case to be playable when a large part of his legacy is a massive group of people who have begged for him to be in for a decade and a half and he's consistently recognized or talked about by the game's director.

This character is basically the poster boy for smash speculation hype, but that doesn't matter because if I take a random poll on the street he isn't as recognizable to soccer mom sally. The people that own this game and the people that basically advertise for nintendo for free by streaming on twitch pretty much universally want Geno and Banjo, so add them both.

Nobody is pretending that Super Mario RPG is an obscure game. It's also been re-released as much as Banjo Kazooie has. Banjo got re-released on XBLA, backwards-compatible on Xbox One, and more specifically with Rare Replay (this version does rely upon the backwards compatible version of the Xbox One, but it counts as an inclusion just as much as anything else). Super Mario RPG has been re-released on Wii Virtual Console, Wii U virtual Console, and the SNES Classic. Both have seen playability in three different instances so it certainly hasn't "been re-released way more often than Banjo Kazooie." I don't know if more demanded than Banjo Kazooie is going to get you a lot of results. For a longer period of time? Sure. But of every fan poll I have ever seen he has outranked Geno. And while I don't love to use fan polls as anyone who reads my comment history will know, I'm not really inclined to give Geno the benefit of the doubt of poll misrepresentation when compared to Banjo. And honestly Geno's legacy specifically is the fan base because without them, he would be just another one-off. We have made him more than that by continued support. Which is absolutely great, but I think the fact he's really only got fan support and the Super Mario RPG connection going for him, he does suffer a little bit.

Also, way to strawman the hell out of the "random polling." We specifically bring up polling because the vast majority of our polls focus on extremely insulated Smash Bros communities that often see overlap and even more problematic, support groups pushing for certain votes in polls can skew results. I won't get into it again in detail, but there are major issues with polling and Geno's a character rather uniquely positioned to benefit quite possibly the most of how we conduct voluntary fan response polls in our bubbles. Super Mario RPG may be a notable game, but the question has always been how well known, and more importantly how wanted is Geno once you escape our bubbles. And there's no easy answer for that, and likely never will be. Enough for Sakurai to comment upon him and see his inclusion as a Mii costume. But what do those numbers look like for such action and does his special interest in Geno potentially create a bias on Sakurai's part? It's worth asking those types of questions and considering how Geno may actually perform in a wider population of fans than those participating in online boards and polls, and even his appeal beyond the 1.8 million votes of the Ballot. It's not the "soccer moms on the street" you're asking about, it's the people beyond the 60,000 or whatever a poll manages, and beyond that, the 10 million people who play Smash beyond the ballot.

There's also not a "pretty much universal want for Geno." We should all know better than that after we've seen the resistance to Geno over the years. And that's going well beyond the people who just want to troll. There's quite a large anti-Geno sentiment in many of the more general threads of other locations and people who just don't want him in. So I can't really interpret his support as "universal" (Something Banjo also struggles with, though to a lesser degree).

I'm not being critical of Geno with any of this, I just think he exists somewhere on the spectrum between icon and nobody like all characters and that we should be brutally honest with him like all other characters. He really does have a wonderful fan base that's strong, but he does have some issues that will just continue to hurt his chances and that we should acknowledge. He's always been like a solid C-tier character with a strong fan base, and I think our admission of that helps us make sure that we're able to appropriately handle criticism and not be highlighted as "delusional" by the worst parts of the internet who really do dislike us and Geno.

Part of it's significance of being on the SNES Classic is, yes, they had to go through Square Enix, but they went through Square to get SMRPG instead of/without Chrono Trigger or any DQ games. For me at least, that's pretty telling of SMRPG's importance to them.

Or it's indicative of issues we don't know or Nintendo's laziness with other games. It's not like they had to choose 21 for the SNES Classic, that's just where they stopped. Maybe Nintendo knew they had to have Square and decided to work with them on the most basic games that don't require additional licensing work from other studios (Chrono Trigger and the DQ games would be cut in this instance). Maybe they do value Super Mario RPG above those since they specifically get to show off Mario as their defining character across many games and genres. We don't really know a lot behind the decision making of the SNES Classic, and all of their stuff surrounding these plug and play consoles doesn't really paint a picture of significant effort put behind those systems since they were designed to stall in Nintendo's transition between consoles.

 

[Datboigeno]

That's highly doubtful. Character is a gaming icon and extremely popular. He got a lot of votes because he's simply liked. You're looking too much at the Smash bubble and the vocal minority on a few forums. They don't really speak well for everyone. The votes themselves really speak well for his popularity as is, especially with the idea of him being playable. B&K is absolutely a more popular pick for Smash itself, which is entirely expected.

The votes honestly seem extremely realistic to begin with. Nothing is suspicious whatsoever. There's no need to make up conspiracy theories just because a character you don't prefer is highly voted. That's just silly and undermines the entire poll instead. You could say that for any character at that point. If we can't take one voted character seriously, just how many were ironic voters beyond that? Could be a lot at this point. How many were meme votes? Etc. The most logical way, unless there's any real evidence of this possibility, is to look at it as nothing but genuine votes.

Haha yikes forgive me for ever considering that a character that’s been massively appropriated by ****posters on /v/ could possibly have had troll votes contributed to have him be higher on the list than other characters. Also of course ignore the fact that I pointed out that him being highly voted could be because he’s been highly rumored due to “”leaks”” since before launch. Minecraft is a hugely profitable and popular series but lets not pretend that Steve was in the conversation in any way as far as being a newcomer goes whatsoever before vergeben and others started saying he was in the game. Minecraft was still very popular back when the Sm4sh ballot happened and polls were made and he never made any sort of noticeable appearance. The people voting on those polls were definitely the same types people voting on Twitter and whatnot. I think it’s totally fair to bring up the overall context and conversation around Steve when talking about poll results like this. Sorry if bringing up the possibility of troll votes or leak bandwagoners hurts anyone’s feelings but I’m just being realistic at this point as to why a character that was previously not even a part of Smash newcomer speculation a year ago is suddenly number 4 on a big poll.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Haha yikes forgive me for ever considering that a character that’s been massively appropriated by ****posters on /v/ could possibly have had troll votes contributed to have him be higher on the list than other characters. Also of course ignore the fact that I pointed out that him being highly voted could be because he’s been highly rumored due to “”leaks”” since before launch. Minecraft is a hugely profitable and popular series but lets not pretend that Steve was in the conversation in any way as far as being a newcomer goes whatsoever before vergeben and others started saying he was in the game. Minecraft was still very popular back when the Sm4sh ballot happened and polls were made and he never made any sort of noticeable appearance. The people voting on those polls were definitely the same types people voting on Twitter and whatnot. I think it’s totally fair to bring up the overall context and conversation around Steve when talking about poll results like this. Sorry if bringing up the possibility of troll votes or leak bandwagoners hurts anyone’s feelings but I’m just being realistic at this point as to why a character that was previously not even a part of Smash newcomer speculation a year ago is suddenly number 4 on a big poll.

(I'll delve into this later, as I have no time due to working every day of the week. -_- But I'l make a quick note that you're rather wrong about the speculation period. Steve absolutely was talked about during 4. It wasn't everywhere on the forums, so it's easy to miss where it could've happened. He was nowhere the talk of the town like Spring Man was, or Rex, or other Veterans, or even Inklings. The other is that Verge isn't why people talked about Minecraft content. They already did. However, the fanbases were very toxic towards fans of Minecraft on these forums many weren't willing to speak up out of fear of getting blasted for daring to like the idea. This issue is still going on. Beyond that, the logic behind the 4chan trolls isn't that simple; most of their posts are just roasting people by screenshotting their toxic posts on other forums. Yet these other forums won't stop taking the bait and just either ignore it or become better people and drop the toxic behavior. Bait only works if people are willing to bite, and when you wrap yourself up in such vitriol behavior, it's no surprise that one site is willing to call out crappy behavior. How they're doing it is bad, of course. But so is trying to look for excuses to hate on a character instead of just accepting the character isn't your cup of tea and respecting those who do like the character. ...Which is what never happens).

I'll go into far more of the issue and why it's not very useful to target one highly popular character as some kind of illegitimate set of votes. I have no time, as said before.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Honestly after looking through the list, I'm super happy Ninten actually made it on the list. I've seen plenty of fan polls the past year and he's almost always snubbed. Seeing him in the top 50 most wanted makes me really happy.

 

[Datboigeno]

(I'll delve into this later, as I have no time due to working every day of the week. -_- But I'l make a quick note that you're rather wrong about the speculation period. Steve absolutely was talked about during 4. It wasn't everywhere on the forums, so it's easy to miss where it could've happened. He was nowhere the talk of the town like Spring Man was, or Rex, or other Veterans, or even Inklings. The other is that Verge isn't why people talked about Minecraft content. They already did. However, the fanbases were very toxic towards fans of Minecraft on these forums many weren't willing to speak up out of fear of getting blasted for daring to like the idea. This issue is still going on. Beyond that, the logic behind the 4chan trolls isn't that simple; most of their posts are just roasting people by screenshotting their toxic posts on other forums. Yet these other forums won't stop taking the bait and just either ignore it or become better people and drop the toxic behavior. Bait only works if people are willing to bite, and when you wrap yourself up in such vitriol behavior, it's no surprise that one site is willing to call out crappy behavior. How they're doing it is bad, of course. But so is trying to look for excuses to hate on a character instead of just accepting the character isn't your cup of tea and respecting those who do like the character. ...Which is what never happens).

I'll go into far more of the issue and why it's not very useful to target one highly popular character as some kind of illegitimate set of votes. I have no time, as said before.

I think you’re projecting some sort of feelings onto me that maybe you’ve seen elsewhere but this ain’t it chief. I don’t hate Steve. I have no connection to the character but I have no strong antipathy towards him either other than seeing the way he’s been appropriated by ****posters. What I am pointing out though is a reason why this character from a franchise that was already popular would leap from not being in the top 30 on any significant poll results (if you could provide evidence of otherwise I’d love to see it) to being number 4 on a big poll. If you don’t think Steve being “”leaked”” by verge and others had an impact on the results you’re being willfully ignorant. I’m sure maybe a handful of people have brought up Steve over the course of newcomer speculation before “””leaks””” but in no way was he being campaigned for or discussed in any significant way. That’s my point. And yeah no the extent of Steve ****posting is definitely not just screenshoting posts from other sites. People have made OC and dedicated themselves to ****posting about Steve specifically as a way to belittle others invested in newcomer speculation and specifically hope that he’s in because they know it would upset people hoping for BK and others. And this is the same group of people that has in the past spammed polls and voting based contests before to force their joke selections to the top. So is it really that far fetched of a possibility? But lmao at you trying to imply an equivalency between me saying there were some likely troll votes for Steve as being on par with blatant trolling and ****posting.

 

[Firox]

Could be anyone really. 3rd Party, 1st Party, Sakurai himself, could be anyone.

Please not Sakurai himself. They'd have to buff his IV drip and tendinitis just to get him into middle tier.

 

[lemon demon]

the only reason i wouldn’t want geno in smash (and i want him in smash very badly) is because of the extremely slim chance mallow would get a 3d model.

listen. i love mallow with every fiber in my being. i would give my life for him without hesitation. but there’s no way to make him Not Terrifying in 3d.

it’s so hard to make work. basically every rendering i’ve seen of a 3d mallow looks like one of my sleep paralysis demons. it’s not even the artist’s faults. he just looks soulless when he’s not 2d. even the official art of him looks like he’s going to steal my wallet if i avert my gaze for a second too long. he’s shaped like a friend but his eyes, the windows to the soul, are completely vacant. they only hold cobwebs and darkness. it’s the face of a broken man.

don’t get me wrong here, i love mallow, maybe even to an unhealthy extent. i would love to see him in games like mario kart or mario party. if they can make it work then i’d be so happy. but the off chance he’ll look like the SMARTFOOD® white cheddar popcorn i dropped on the floor in 2008 while playing an illegal download of snail mail on my family computer scares me.

 

[Deleted member]

I would love a 3D fluffy Mallow

 

[Firox]

the only reason i wouldn’t want geno in smash (and i want him in smash very badly) is because of the extremely slim chance mallow would get a 3d model.

listen. i love mallow with every fiber in my being. i would give my life for him without hesitation. but there’s no way to make him Not Terrifying in 3d.

it’s so hard to make work. basically every rendering i’ve seen of a 3d mallow looks like one of my sleep paralysis demons. it’s not even the artist’s faults. he just looks soulless when he’s not 2d. even the official art of him looks like he’s going to steal my wallet if i avert my gaze for a second too long. he’s shaped like a friend but his eyes, the windows to the soul, are completely vacant. they only hold cobwebs and darkness. it’s the face of a broken man.

don’t get me wrong here, i love mallow, maybe even to an unhealthy extent. i would love to see him in games like mario kart or mario party. if they can make it work then i’d be so happy. but the off chance he’ll look like the SMARTFOOD® white cheddar popcorn i dropped on the floor in 2008 while playing an illegal download of snail mail on my family computer scares me.

Rest easy, dude. Geno getting in would be miraculous enough, but Mallow? I don't recall ever seeing him on ANY of the fanmade polls over the years. That said, I don't really think he's all that scary looking. Those vacant eyes of his are just....vacant. He's not evil. Just an airhead (get it? Cloud guy's an airhead? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge......please don't hurt me). Ironically, I could see him having an interesting weather-based moveset but if people think Geno's obscure, then Mallow would be like being introduced to your cousin's brother's girlfriend's former roommate. Then again, stranger things have happened...

 

[3DSNinja]

That poll got the Knight in 17th. I am happy

 

[lemon demon]

I would love a 3D fluffy Mallow

oh absolutely. i would love a rendition of mallow where he doesn’t look as smooth as a middle aged dads bald head. that would be blessed but it all depends on if nintendo is brave enough to give us the true mallow we deserve. bonus points if he’s still a Round Boy, an absolute unit of a child.

Rest easy, dude. Geno getting in would be miraculous enough, but Mallow? I don't recall ever seeing him on ANY of the fanmade polls over the years. That said, I don't really think he's all that scary looking. Those vacant eyes of his are just....vacant. He's not evil. Just an airhead (get it? Cloud guy's an airhead? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge......please don't hurt me). Ironically, I could see him having an interesting weather-based moveset but if people think Geno's obscure, then Mallow would be like being introduced to your cousin's brother's girlfriend's former roommate. Then again, stranger things have happened...

oh i agree! i dont think mallow has a big chance at making a proper and full appearance any time soon. i just think it’d be cute to see him in one of geno’s victory animations. he does have some cool moveset potential but, as much as i love and care for his precious cloudy being with all of my heart, soul, body, and mind, i don’t see people going hard on campaigning for him, at least until geno shows up. even then i doubt it because my boy looks like a tennis ball. perhaps a forgotten burt from yoshi.

anyways, yeah, his eyes aren’t evil but they do instill a form of fear in me that is unnameable by human standards. one indescribable. it’s honestly such a contrast from the rest of him, which looks trusting and pure. he looks like he’s seen more war and carnage then i could ever imagine. i’ll love him no matter what though.

 

[kiteinthesky]

Honestly, SMRPG may be a great game that is beloved by many, but in terms of the amount of ripples Geno himself has made in gaming history, it's... still rather small. Sure, he's loved and he has a cult following, but I'm not about to put him on a higher pedestal than he deserves because of my bias. He really isn't iconic from an objective standpoint.

By all means, Geno is loved, a fan favorite, and comes from a charming, wonderful gaming that spawned the Mario RPGs as we know them today, but he isn't this huge phenomenon.

Just for clarity's sake, I wasn't arguing that Geno is iconic, I was arguing that he's extremely popular and well-known, at least amongst the SNES crowd, and that's true. Super Mario RPG was one of the top-selling SNES games; it sold 1.47 million copies in Japan and is the third highest selling SNES game there, in the U.S. it was the top-rented game for 14 weeks straight in 1996, it has repeatedly done well in Virtual Console releases, the evidence goes on and on.

He doesn't have to be iconic to be popular or important enough to matter. Banjo's arguably one of the few characters that's more important than him at this point, sure, but let's not pretend that Geno is obscure or not well-known amongst the SNES crowd. If anything, we're the reason why he's not if the sales are not enough.

 

[Deleted member]

Crash Bandicoot in 10th place is good enough for me

 

[EarlTamm]

The Geno Thread is now the most replied thread on the newcomer speculation boards. I should really get around to finishing my Smashboards thread growth sheet...

 

[ForsakenM]

Ovaltine If you think that pointing out how unpopular 'Erdrick' is equates to talking crap about him, you MAY not like my big ass post that is hopefully coming out today. Though, I do bring up a lot of things in 'Erdrick' favor and both For and Against arguments. Not sure why you have to do that to 'be nice' or have people look at your post, but it's whatever.

Btw, I literally titled it 'big ass post' as I've been working on it, so yeah it's a dozy.

I'm with Datboigeno in regards to Steve: I get that he is popular, but nobody ever really talked about him before Verge started suffering from verbal diarrhea, not to the point that mattered anyway. Also, if you doubt the ability of trolls voting in a ballot, just remember the votes that Shrek and others like him got in the original Ballot. People were seriously voting for him in an official Nintendo Ballot, so what makes it any lost likely for them to vote for something non-official? Also this Ballot started before Master Chief was deconfirmed I believe, so that means this was before Aubrey started talking about Steve.

 

[MattX20]

Wow, we actually made it. Grats on making it this far everyone

 

[Deleted member]

We did it y'all.

 

[Deleted member]

Congratulations for being the support thread with most pages.

Hopefully we get to see more of Geno in the future.

 

[TheCJBrine]

> Assume Steve is voted 100% by trolls that make up the minority and people who only vote because of rumors as if they don't actually like the idea

> Ignore Miiverse, a Minecraft subreddit post for Steve in Smash that got good upvotes, whatever else that shows genuine Steve fans wanting him (of course y'all wouldn't see this stuff but still), and the possibility that some people may have needed a nudge to get an idea they loved in their head if they're a bit clueless or very happy go-lucky like I can be a lot of the time, or maybe they just became vocal because they were nervous beforehand due to people already bashing Minecraft beforehand...

and I believe the Steve thread was created and got supporters before Vergeben even mentioned Minecraft, or at least (definitely) Steve rumors.

I could assume other characters were voted ironically as well, especially with their hate-bases that possibly have a lot of trolls doing it just for laughs. Let's all support these characters and be happy with one-another but Heaven forbid people like Steve...

 

[The Anigriffin]

Btw, I literally titled it 'big *** post' as I've been working on it, so yeah it's a dozy.

Oh man. This is gonna be a good read.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Please not Sakurai himself. They'd have to buff his IV drip and tendinitis just to get him into middle tier.

Boi, you know Sakurai's gonna be a level of OP that would make Brawl Meta Knight and pre-patch Smash 4 Bayonetta weep.

 

[GoodGrief741]

> Assume Steve is voted 100% by trolls that make up the minority and people who only vote because of rumors as if they don't actually like the idea

> Ignore Miiverse, a Minecraft subreddit post for Steve in Smash that got good upvotes, whatever else that shows genuine Steve fans wanting him (of course y'all wouldn't see this stuff but still), and the possibility that some people may have needed a nudge to get an idea they loved in their head if they're a bit clueless or very happy go-lucky like I can be a lot of the time, or maybe they just became vocal because they were nervous beforehand due to people already bashing Minecraft beforehand...

and I believe the Steve thread was created and got supporters before Vergeben even mentioned Minecraft, or at least (definitely) Steve rumors.

I could assume other characters were voted ironically as well, especially with their hate-bases that possibly have a lot of trolls doing it just for laughs. Let's all support these characters and be happy with one-another but Heaven forbid people like Steve...

I feel like if the only notable evidence in his favor is Miiverse and one Reddit post... Yikes.

Like, where did all them Miiverse fans go? 'Cause I'm not really seeing them elsewhere.

 

[Datboigeno]

> Assume Steve is voted 100% by trolls that make up the minority and people who only vote because of rumors as if they don't actually like the idea

> Ignore Miiverse, a Minecraft subreddit post for Steve in Smash that got good upvotes, whatever else that shows genuine Steve fans wanting him (of course y'all wouldn't see this stuff but still), and the possibility that some people may have needed a nudge to get an idea they loved in their head if they're a bit clueless or very happy go-lucky like I can be a lot of the time, or maybe they just became vocal because they were nervous beforehand due to people already bashing Minecraft beforehand...

and I believe the Steve thread was created and got supporters before Vergeben even mentioned Minecraft, or at least (definitely) Steve rumors.

I could assume other characters were voted ironically as well, especially with their hate-bases that possibly have a lot of trolls doing it just for laughs. Let's all support these characters and be happy with one-another but Heaven forbid people like Steve...

It’s like you didn’t even read what I wrote. Did I say he was 100% voted on by trolls? No. I’m just saying it could have influenced his placement and that he wasn’t a significant part of newcomer speculation before rumors popped up around him. I mean cool, a Minecraft sub post advocating for Steve in Smash got upvotes. That’s not surprising in the slightest. Because it’s a Minecraft subreddit.

I’m pointing out that no one was voting for Steve in high numbers like now before Vergeben brought him up. You could try to start some tit for tat insinuation that someone like Geno got trollvotes for irony and big meme laffs (that’s what you’re implying, right?) but the problem there is that Geno has had consistently high placement on polls for years now. Steve on the other hand wasn’t cracking even the top 25. It’s nowhere near comparable. So therefore it’s logical to bring up context as to what has changed in the discussion of that specific character over the past year.

Tbh I don’t really see the point of pretending I support the inclusion of characters if I don’t actually want them in Smash. Even then I don’t even think the things that I’m bringing up are even half as harsh as the things people bluntly say about Geno on a regular basis on other threads and even in the freaking Geno hype thread for ****s sake. Like people regularly **** on him and his chances as DLC and overall worthiness for Smash here and elsewhere due to whatever logic they’re operating under yet when anyone implies anything other than glowing praise for another character here we get a wag of the finger and a lecture on being nice. It’s just bizarre to me. Again, I don’t hate Steve as a character but I think it’s completely fair to bring up factors that could have led to his high position on the poll when he hadn’t made significant poll presence prior to this.

 

[Firox]

Boi, you know Sakurai's gonna be a level of OP that would make Brawl Meta Knight and pre-patch Smash 4 Bayonetta weep.

LOL I can just imagine:
(Sakurai reads my post) "Aaawww HELL NO! Feck this guy! You wanna see some buffs?!"

DLC #5 revealed! Masahiro Sakurai! (Intro video shows off his 10 different inescapable 0-Death ladder combos that can penetrate shields) Video cuts to the real Sakurai glaring menacingly into the screen. "How you like me now, Beee-ootch?!"

 

[MissingGlitch]

I feel like if the only notable evidence in his favor is Miiverse and one Reddit post... Yikes.

Like, where did all them Miiverse fans go? 'Cause I'm not really seeing them elsewhere.

They all moved to Twitter.

 

[Firox]

I feel like if the only notable evidence in his favor is Miiverse and one Reddit post... Yikes.

Like, where did all them Miiverse fans go? 'Cause I'm not really seeing them elsewhere.

All due respect to Steve, I really feel that a lot of the people trying to push him are in the same vein as many of the PP fans. That is, they like the IDEA of Steve in Smash and would spam him online for a week or two, but unless he ends up pretty high tier, they and the competitive community would just discard him and move on. I mean, who would Steve's target audience even be? Mostly younger kids I would imagine. Not the kind of audience with the buy power to really hit home for good ol' Nintendo, especially when there's a myriad of more popular candidates out there. I guess it would still be impossible to rule him out given what we've seen so far, but I for one wouldn't be too happy to see him. He would be the perfect justification for me having chosen not to buy the whole mystery box of DLC.

 

[The Anigriffin]

LOL I can just imagine:
(Sakurai reads my post) "Aaawww HELL NO! Feck this guy! You wanna see some buffs?!"

DLC #5 revealed! Masahiro Sakurai! (Intro video shows off his 10 different inescapable 0-Death ladder combos that can penetrate shields) Video cuts to the real Sakurai glaring menacingly into the screen. "How you like me now, Beee-ootch?!"

When can I buy?

 

[domriver]

isnt this week MARIO RPG's release anniversary?

 

[MattX20]

isnt this week MARIO RPG's release anniversary?

No, that's next Monday

 

[Teeb147]

That poll got the Knight in 17th. I am happy

I'm surprised Hollow Knight was considered that much for the poll myself. I guess it's a bit like shovel knight's popularity tho.
And looks like he might be more popular in japan than shovel.

Ovaltine If you think that pointing out how unpopular 'Erdrick' is equates to talking crap about him, you MAY not like my big *** post that is hopefully coming out today. Though, I do bring up a lot of things in 'Erdrick' favor and both For and Against arguments. Not sure why you have to do that to 'be nice' or have people look at your post, but it's whatever.

Btw, I literally titled it 'big *** post' as I've been working on it, so yeah it's a dozy.

I'm with Datboigeno in regards to Steve: I get that he is popular, but nobody ever really talked about him before Verge started suffering from verbal diarrhea, not to the point that mattered anyway. Also, if you doubt the ability of trolls voting in a ballot, just remember the votes that Shrek and others like him got in the original Ballot. People were seriously voting for him in an official Nintendo Ballot, so what makes it any lost likely for them to vote for something non-official? Also this Ballot started before Master Chief was deconfirmed I believe, so that means this was before Aubrey started talking about Steve.

It's more about being considerate of other fanbases. There's no good reason to go after a character's chances that much since that carries a bit of spite. It's better to focus on the characters you support than go after the ones you dont.

It's also fine to be honest and say that you dont like certain character, etc, it's just that sometimes looking at the worst really skews the picture of things.

I would say in erdrick's case, what really matters is that they are popular, in japan that is. And it's not a bad thing for nintendo and sakurai to appeal to their home country. They try to appeal to the west once in a while too. That's been pretty clear with ultimate too.

 

[MattX20]

It's official, we surpassed the Isaac thread!