EricTheGamerman
Smash Master
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I agree with you on the first point. A character's chance to get in Smash and whether or not you like them should be separate things. I didn't really assume that as much as interpret it for you line that, "On a similarly irritating note, this means that Hayabusa should still be possible, unless something else big came out about him." That definitely felt like an actively detracting from Ryu. Saying his even mere possibility was "irritating" is what really caused me to respond the way I did. You may not have meant it as such, but it definitely didn't come off as a neutral statement.Welp I had someone quoted by I lost it yet again, ho well. Not even sure what it was about.
Anyway,EricTheGamerman I wish people would stop assuming that since someone else doesn't think a character can get in, it means they don't want or like that character. Jesus Christ, other than Dragon Quest 3 I hold a completely unbiased stance, and my only issue with DQ3 is all the losers all over the internet who treat you like garbage because you are more logical then they are. I just want them to be wrong because of how much of a stain they are.
Seriously, I've never touched Ninja Gaiden but ninjas are badass and I grew up on Naruto, so I dig the whole 'physical badass that also has limited mystical powers' ninja trope. With this in mind and after learning that the claim against Hayabusa held no weight and finding no other claims, I see nothing that currently prevents his inclusion.
Doomguy is a completely different story. You bring up Bayonetta as a counter, and many people bring up Snake as well, but it's just NOT the same. Snake is easy: he's a dude who is military trained and can hurt people without being lethal and you can use his weapons and some of his techniques in a comical manner almost while also keeping the gritty tone of the character. However, he never does anything super brutal and from what I have gathered, it's not in his personality to take violence past the level it needs to be to get the job done.
Bayonetta is sexy, yes, but nudity is not part of her personality or core character, but merely a result of using her abilities. Her chill demeanor about stripping naked and still being classy about it is what you are referring to, and preventing her from stripping naked takes nothing from her personality as she's amazing represented in Smash ("If you need to learn how to talk to a lady, ask your mother!"), the only things toned down about her character being use of language and innuendos.
Doomguy though? Being excessively violent is at his core personality. Weapons aside, when he fights with just what his mama gave him, does he tone it down and merely punch them down or at the most break their neck or something? HELL NO! He rips them apart with no restraint and does it in different ways as if he's trying to make a work of art out of it and keeping himself entertained. He doesn't slow down and he doesn't give a **** about you or your friends or really what anyone says because he's gonna do what he wants and if you are in his way you'll shortly be out of his way and in various amounts of pieces. He's an original badass and I love it and so do others, but how could you possible bring that to Smash? Will he punch Mario's face off? Will he rip Pit's wings off his back a la God of War? No, he won't, because that wouldn't be allowed in Smash. Thus, if he DOES make it in, at most he will just have moves that look like they would have that kind of impact but have no gore or blood and then he's not really Doomguy anymore because his personality of ripping through the competition literally has been removed and he's just generic FPS guy.
Just for funsies, a lot of people bring up Mortal Kombat and how for this same reason Scorpion or Sub-Zero will never get in Smash...problem is that Injustice 1 and 2 have made both them and Raiden into a form that is of tolerable violence for other games, meaning there are canon variations of this characters showing restraint and holding back...does Doomguy have this? Does he have a game that was built from the ground up with making him less violent? If he does it improves his chances, if not we are back to the start here.
I'd also argue just wanting to prove people wrong isn't much of a reason to like or dislike certain characters. There are lots of people who legitimately want Erdrick here who don't act as standoffish that you throw into the line of fire when you do that. I also just don't personally see the reason why other people's commentaries should effect how you perceive certain characters. A bunch of Smash fans can be assholes for different reasons, especially when you start looking at places like GameFAQs and 4chan who take pleasure in other people's misery or just enjoy getting others riled up. Anonymous people on the internet, particularly in the gaming community, can be real ****ty. They're not worth your time or effort to fight a crusade against proving them wrong, especially when again, the character in question should probably be judged individually and not for the usual gaggle of bandwagoning idiots who attached themselves on to a certain leak and then proceeded to call out Geno because they could. Geno's the easiest target by far for most of them, so of course those types of people are going to pick fights with Geno fans or supporters.
And respectfully, I disagree with the notion that Doomguy can't be toned back to make him a viable Smash candidate. You bring up his excessive behavior, but again, that's really only a trait of the most recent game. The original DOOM games were mostly bloody in a primitive way and the corpses of the demons you shot were pixelated globs of red. The Doomguy didn't tear any demons limb from limb back then, and I'd argue that's exactly the era you'd be choosing to represent with him. I'd also argue that the whole Doomguy just being another generic FPS marine is kind of the point. He's got no character whatsoever, to the point where the Smash community can't even figure out what to actually call him: Doomguy? Doom Slayer? Doom Marine? All of which have been tossed around at different points. He's mission focused and brutal, those are defining traits. Brutality doesn't have to mean "gore" though. Again, we see this with Ridley as the "incarnation of pure evil." He retains all of his personality without having to go overboard on any of his moves. I think the Doomguy could easily adopt a brutality based move set as opposed to the gore based executions we see in DOOM 2016.
I similarly disagree with Bayonetta. All of her big moves involve her completely naked such as when she summons Gommorah. She's barely covered by the weave of her hair in those instances and there are several gratuitous shots of her body throughout the games. She plays her sexuality as a constant card and has executions that result in bloody messes just as much as the Doomguy does. I mean one of her executions actively involve sticking an angel in a guillotine, repeatedly slapping its ass, and then dropping the blade to decapitate said angel. That's pretty hardcore stuff, yet they found a way to make her work in Smash by toning her down. I think she's a perfectly reasonable example of how to handle something so M-rated.
Hell, Playstation All-Stars had Sweet Tooth as a playable character in that game and I shouldn't have to explain how dark Twisted Metal is on its own, and they still got away with their Teen rating. There are ways of toning down a character to make them work in less mature fighting games is all I'm saying.
I'd shed many tears.