Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Looma]

Is a Tetromino even a being? Not being facetious here, genuinely curious, I just assumed they were literal objects.

I think it'd be rad to see Tetris in the game in some form but I really don't think a playable rep is it. I'm all for creative quirky characters but that seems wholly unfaithful to the source material. Stage or assist absolutely, but like Monster Hunter, the series is represented more accurately elsewhere I think (the monsters themselves being notably more iconic than the protagonist). Just my take on it.

I refuse to humor the idea of a playable Tetromino for this reason. A Tetromino being able to move upwards (i.e. jump) is a blight. A stage could be more faithful and be super cool.

 

[Ovaltine]

I refuse to humor the idea of a playable Tetromino for this reason. A Tetromino being able to move upwards (i.e. jump) is a blight. A stage could be more faithful and be super cool.

Oh man, that, or an assist trophy of some kind... or both. That would be really sick.

 

[Firox]

You know what, I'd totally be down with an assist trophy like that. It could be like the PAC ghosts except they fall from the sky. It'd be hilarious trying to dodge them too because they could suddenly dart side to side.

 

[Looma]

Oh man, that, or an assist trophy of some kind... or both. That would be really sick.

I would really like a Tetris assist trophy that starts dropping Tetrominos on the fighters and builds up from the bottom blast zone, clearing lines and finishing with a Tetris that's basically a 1-hit KO if you're in contact with it. Bonus points if the falling pieces meteor fighters, as one should definitely know better than to be under a hard drop. It would make for a really nerve-wracking couple seconds.

I've always pictured Tetrominos as being super rigid and sturdy, and more of an incredible force than anything. To be able to punch one off a stage would be an insult. A Puyo is squishy and can be eliminated through combat (in fact, they were originally enemies in a dungeon crawler!), but a Tetromino commands unequaled respect.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Who here would pull an Etika if Geno was announced?

 

[Ovaltine]

Who here would pull an Etika if Geno was announced?

I wouldn't pull an Etika because I'd be too busy crying, let's be real.

 

[Deleted member]

Who here would pull an Etika if Geno was announced?

I think the question here is "who wouldn't?"

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I find it interesting Primarina wasn't considered. I wonder if that means the next pokemon we get will be the grass starter 100%...

Who knows, he could just as easily go for another water or fire starter (especially considering that said water starter won the popularity contest before the game is even out).

Who here would pull an Etika if Geno was announced?

Can't say I'd go ape to the level of wrecking stuff (I'm not THAT dedicated), but you can guarantee a "finally they can rest and stop worrying" in there somewhere.

 

[Deleted member]

Who here would pull an Etika if Geno was announced?

If Geno got in Smash I wouldn't even be able to pull an Etika with how happy I would be, I would probably end up crying tears of joy like I did with K. Rool.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The fact there's so many unique enemies in the Mario series(as well as Yoshi and Wario) and barely any got into Mario Kart as is is strange alone. At least Mario Tennis is helping that. Speaking of... when's the last Mario Golf game? Was that actually dropped or something? Cause I remember Golf and Tennis being effectively a pair of games in how they release. Two well known sports. I remember getting at least one of each per system(at least if the other existed). I actually just thought of this now. Maybe one simply got way better sales? Cause I doubt it was the Wii U version. It was overpriced yet lacked some basic content at times.

It was a good wake-up call. The bar to get into Smash was never really high to begin with. Besides, we knew relevancy had some role to begin with. But only as a guideline. And it appears being from a relevant series can still help an irrelevant character(as shown by K. Rool). Really, the only bar is "from a video game franchise" at best. And we don't know if that'll stay a hard rule forever. It's the only one that isn't a fan rule.

I think Camelot lacks enough manpower to even do a golf game these days. Then again Ultra Smash bombing didn't help. Also, 2014.

Yeah, though the only one I bet that would break the rule (besides Kingdom Hearts anything) is Popeye. Before anyone brings up Goku, Dragon Quest would still need to have content in first.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Primarina not getting in is a crime. Not changing my mind on the matter.

 

[Ovaltine]

Primarina not getting in is a crime. Not changing my mind on the matter.

Primarina is my favorite Alolan final evo and I will stan her 'til the day I'm blue in the face... but I think she would have been a really awkward choice for Smash. I just can't imagine her playing very well without just looking strange. My personal choice for Smash was Decidueye, really.

 

[Deleted member]

If a Direct isn't announced tomorrow the theory of Geno being announced on Friday to coincide with the SMRPG Anniversary would be proven false, Honestly I never had faith in that Theory but if it did happen I could see them just posting a Mini Direct on the Youtube page detailing 3.0.0 and a Geno announcement like they did that one time last year where they dropped a mini direct out of nowhere.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Primarina is my favorite Alolan final evo and I will stan her 'til the day I'm blue in the face... but I think she would have been a really awkward choice for Smash. I just can't imagine her playing very well without just looking strange. My personal choice for Smash was Decidueye, really.

Old habits can get broken eventually. Bowser Jr. doesn't even touch the ground most of the time, so a mermaid seal would work too. The only issue is the supposed quota of "only once per gen unless you're 1, sorry".

If Gen 8 is an option for DLC, it would be nice to go the full hog and have its Pokémon Trainer, so that none of the starters are left out.

 

[ZelDan]

If a Direct isn't announced tomorrow the theory of Geno being announced on Friday to coincide with the SMRPG Anniversary would be proven false, Honestly I never had faith in that Theory but if it did happen I could see them just posting a Mini Direct on the Youtube page detailing 3.0.0 and a Geno announcement like they did that one time last year where they dropped a mini direct out of nowhere.

This is the second time I've oddly heard of this rumor in this thread I think, and I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else.

anyways, I don't really see the second DLC character being announced until we get out version 3.0.0 smash direct, which I'm guessing will be happening late March or early April. So I can't say I believe this rumor either

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

This is the second time I've oddly heard of this rumor in this thread I think, and I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else.

anyways, I don't really see the second DLC character being announced until we get out version 3.0.0 smash direct, which I'm guessing will be happening late March or early April. So I can't say I believe this rumor either

It's just a spur-of-the-moment hypothesis from him, nothing more. Let's not let this go out of control.

 

[ZelDan]

It's just a spur-of-the-moment hypothesis from him, nothing more. Let's not let this go out of control.

Too late, I already spread the information of this rumor to every Smash forum and gaming publication and said that it originated from this thread. Things are about to get very out of control!

Spoiler

Nah jk I'm too lazy to do anything like that.

 

[EarlTamm]

I just want to note something, the SMRPG anniversary tweet from last year is dated as May 13th, the NA release date of the game. So if nothing SMRPG related happens on the 9th, then this is what we should be focusing our attention on.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars launched for the Super NES on this day in 1996. Are you Team Mallow or Team Geno? pic.twitter.com/auvmZWJsfM

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) May 13, 2018

 

[DaxMasterix]

I just want to note something, the SMRPG anniversary tweet from last year is dated as May 13th, the NA release date of the game. So if nothing SMRPG related happens on the 9th, then this is what we should be focusing our attention on.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars launched for the Super NES on this day in 1996. Are you Team Mallow or Team Geno? pic.twitter.com/auvmZWJsfM

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) May 13, 2018

I always thought it was on 9th, God damn the Mandela Effect, Thanks!

 

[xpnc]

Well ****ing excuse me then.

I don't know what else you expected from your post. Did you think it'd be a huge revelation to us? It would be like me going into the Bandanna Dee thread and saying "jeez fellas, I dunno, he's basically just a Goomba with a hat!"

We've heard it before, and just like the hat Goomba nonsense it's all been addressed before. Use your head

 

[MissingGlitch]

I thought that rumor was started by me when I was trying to make a ted talk conspiracy ****post like two months ago.

 

[The Anigriffin]

I thought that rumor was started by me when I was trying to make a ted talk conspiracy ****post like two months ago.

A decent amount of my Ted Talk conspiracy theories end up happening half the time so I wouldn't completely count ****posts out oddly enough.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I just want to note something, the SMRPG anniversary tweet from last year is dated as May 13th, the NA release date of the game. So if nothing SMRPG related happens on the 9th, then this is what we should be focusing our attention on.

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars launched for the Super NES on this day in 1996. Are you Team Mallow or Team Geno? pic.twitter.com/auvmZWJsfM

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) May 13, 2018

Considering that full details for Joker may finally and presumably get revealed alongside the second character next month, I doubt that we'd get another announcement so quickly after the second character the very next month after that. Maybe every other month at most.

But we'll see what happens. Me being disproved happens more often than not anyways...

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I always thought it was on 9th, God damn the Mandela Effect, Thanks!

9th of March is the Japanese release date, that's probably what you're thinking of.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I refuse to humor the idea of a playable Tetromino for this reason. A Tetromino being able to move upwards (i.e. jump) is a blight. A stage could be more faithful and be super cool.

This feels a lot like the whole Captain Toad can't jump thing that some people threw around and was equally bull****.

I completely disagree. I think that the Tetromino would genuinely make for one of the most interesting picks by way of just making one work. It's an absurd idea for a character, which is why it works so well in potentially bringing something unique to the game. A stage works just fine, I just don't see the negatives of trying a character for potentially the biggest game of all time.

That's why I love Piranha Plant. The existence of such a character forces creativity to be actualized, and the resulting character with Sakurai has always proven to be something genuinely interesting and unique compared to much of the roster.

For the same reasons I've largely loosened up on the whole anti-Steve movement. If anybody is going to make him work, Sakurai would be the guy to do so. I'm convinced Sakurai can take basically any character or option and make them work as something interesting at this point.

I don't know if it's just a bit of exhaustion with speculation and the community, but I very much so support the idea of only half the characters having anything to do with fan requests. I don't want just wish fulfillment of fans at this point. I want to see Sakurai flex his creative muscles and expand Smash with new major franchises. I think a good balance between the two and also any potential new breakout stars is important.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that the base roster additions to Ultimate was the sort of golden ratio of additions. Major fan requests in King K. Rool and Ridley, new breakout stars in Isabelle and Inkling, and the creative energies of Sakurai coming to the table with Incineroar, Piranha Plant (Which seems more and more like an intentional base character at this point), and Simon Belmont. Obviously those characters don't all belong to just one classification, but I think they importantly highlight a balanced approach to roster additions that should be overall preserved going forward.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Dude. It's a video game, and you're trying to bring realistic logic into it. You're acting like it's completely impossible to add the Tetris block as a character, when you're not realizing that this a video game we're talking about. They can literally do whatever they want. Video games have no limits or boundaries creativity wise. What Verde Coeden Scalesworth said about the Tetris block using telekinetic powers is actually feasible, and you only found that ridiculous because, once again, you're trying to bring logic into something that isn't bound by the real world lmao. I actually found it ridiculous that you think adding the Tetris block is impossible.

By the way, if you bash a character, you're going to get called out on it. We can praise characters just as much as you can bash, but at least praising characters doesn't paint us out in a negative light :/

A Tetris block would be so badass to play as, especially if it spoke with a Russian accent.

"IN SOVIET RUSSIA, BLOCK FALLS ON YOU!"

Oh man, that, or an assist trophy of some kind... or both. That would be really sick.

Yeah, the most I can see is definitely an assist trophy, but that's okay! Tetris deserves some representation.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

This feels a lot like the whole Captain Toad can't jump thing that some people threw around and was equally bull****.

I completely disagree. I think that the Tetromino would genuinely make for one of the most interesting picks by way of just making one work. It's an absurd idea for a character, which is why it works so well in potentially bringing something unique to the game. A stage works just fine, I just don't see the negatives of trying a character for potentially the biggest game of all time.

That's why I love Piranha Plant. The existence of such a character forces creativity to be actualized, and the resulting character with Sakurai has always proven to be something genuinely interesting and unique compared to much of the roster.

For the same reasons I've largely loosened up on the whole anti-Steve movement. If anybody is going to make him work, Sakurai would be the guy to do so. I'm convinced Sakurai can take basically any character or option and make them work as something interesting at this point.

I don't know if it's just a bit of exhaustion with speculation and the community, but I very much so support the idea of only half the characters having anything to do with fan requests. I don't want just wish fulfillment of fans at this point. I want to see Sakurai flex his creative muscles and expand Smash with new major franchises. I think a good balance between the two and also any potential new breakout stars is important.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that the base roster additions to Ultimate was the sort of golden ratio of additions. Major fan requests in King K. Rool and Ridley, new breakout stars in Isabelle and Inkling, and the creative energies of Sakurai coming to the table with Incineroar, Piranha Plant (Which seems more and more like an intentional base character at this point), and Simon Belmont. Obviously those characters don't all belong to just one classification, but I think they importantly highlight a balanced approach to roster additions that should be overall preserved going forward.

The whole thing in regards to Steve is this: will there be ANY Western third-party characters at all? So far it's been nothing but consolation prizes in regards to Western acknowledgement, even the Shovel Knight AT, and rumors regarding Minecraft content have been getting increasingly doubtful to the point where people end up crying wolf every time there's an event remotely related to Minecraft. If Steve can work without looking completely alien compared to everything else, more power to his fans, but the barrier of licensing in another country is still in the way.

Apart from that, it's rare for me to agree with a post of yours. As a guy who unironically espouses the idea of a Space Invader as a playable character. While it is important to acknowledge requests from time to time, there still needs to be unexpected picks that can get people interested in properties that they wouldn't otherwise, or at least giving a good impression if said property isn't that lucrative ().

Compared to the last game having not much of actual fan wants, the base roster for this hits a sweet spot so far, regardless of how advertising was handled.

I still think the FP and further DLC will strike a balance of fan requests, new stars and oddball picks, which Joker seems to be a combination of all three so far (while for a very brief period, fans did want him). Not to mention that some new stars had to sadly be skipped over due to bad timing (ARMS in general, Rex & Pyra), so odds are they may compensate for that partially.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I think Steve can work.

Game & Watch is alien to other characters, too.

The roster already has clashing art-styles; Steve or a Creeper could at least fit better if they used the website's / merchandise's artwork (though personally I'd be fine with the ingame look).

Hopefully we get him or Banjo-Kazooie...if they can license Shantae and Shovel Knight, even if they have smaller roles, I'm sure they can license with Microsoft when they're being very friendly, especially since there's already a Creeper-themed 3DS (not just a skin) and an official Mario pack for Minecraft.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think Steve can work.

Game & Watch is alien to other characters, too.

The roster already has clashing art-styles.

Hopefully we get him or Banjo-Kazooie...if they can license Shantae and Shovel Knight, even if they have smaller roles, I'm sure they can license with Microsoft when they're being very friendly, especially since there's already a Creeper-themed 3DS (not just a skin).

More than anything though in regards to Western stuff it's been baby steps. Will they finally leave their comfort zone of Japan in regards to playable characters? That's the big one. Just talking about the issue of less and less big-name Japanese property characters to include won't solve it.

Yet Mario Maker has no problems adding in mystery suits of increasingly bizarre additions...

 

[TheCJBrine]

More than anything though in regards to Western stuff it's been baby steps. Will they finally leave their comfort zone of Japan in regards to playable characters? That's the big one.

Yet Mario Maker has no problems adding in mystery suits of increasingly bizarre additions...

well Sakurai does seem reluctant to because of translation stuffs, but he did consider Banjo-Kazooie for Melee before Microsoft bought them (since it would've been very difficult to get licenses from them at the time), and they seem to be running out of Japanese big-names.

So, hopefully, they do leave their comfort zone, especially if Western characters did very well on the Ballot.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Man, it's crazy when you think of what an awesome legacy Rare left behind. They single-handedly reimaged Donkey Kong as we know him today. They brought us Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day. It's too bad they couldn't have stayed with Nintendo.

It's too bad Rare didn't give the entire rights of Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day to Nintendo right before they were bought out by Microsoft. Rare's prized possession was Banjo, so that's probably why they kept him to try and keep going with his legacy, but it was obviously a big mistake keeping him since Microsoft won't do anything with Banjo-Kazooie anymore; there shouldn't be any anger towards Rare because they didn't know the Banjo-Kazooie and Conker series would end up that way. If only Nintendo completely bought Rare... :/

Hey guys. Feelin' a bit down in the dumps today.

It's not every day where the creator of a character outright tells you they won't be coming to Smash lol.

Sorry you're feeling down, bud. Hope you feel better, and I know that feeling. :/

I just realized, what would Geno's Star KO sound like? Is there a sound effect in SMRPG that could work? I guess it all depends on if he is voiced or not.

Star KO? Not sure what that means, but here's my guesses:

Geno being KO'd: The sound of defeating a boss in SMRPG.
Geno hitting someone with a critical hit: The sound of a timed Geno Whirl one-shot.

 

[EarlTamm]

Star KO? Not sure what that means, but here's my guesses:

Geno being KO'd: The sound of defeating a boss in SMRPG.
Geno hitting someone with a critical hit: The sound of a timed Geno Whirl one-shot.

Here's an example.

Whoever voiced English Roy did a good job giving him the most horrifying Star KO scream pic.twitter.com/9eGVlBqwel

— Lucbomber💣 (@The_Lucbomber) February 8, 2019

Seriously, did they stab Ray Chase in order for him to scream like that?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

The whole thing in regards to Steve is this: will there be ANY Western third-party characters at all? So far it's been nothing but consolation prizes in regards to Western acknowledgement, even the Shovel Knight AT, and rumors regarding Minecraft content have been getting increasingly doubtful to the point where people end up crying wolf every time there's an event remotely related to Minecraft. If Steve can work without looking completely alien compared to everything else, more power to his fans, but the barrier of licensing in another country is still in the way.

Apart from that, it's rare for me to agree with a post of yours. As a guy who unironically espouses the idea of a Space Invader as a playable character. While it is important to acknowledge requests from time to time, there still needs to be unexpected picks that can get people interested in properties that they wouldn't otherwise, or at least giving a good impression if said property isn't that lucrative ().

Compared to the last game having not much of actual fan wants, the base roster for this hits a sweet spot so far, regardless of how advertising was handled.

I still think the FP and further DLC will strike a balance of fan requests, new stars and oddball picks, which Joker seems to be a combination of all three so far (while for a very brief period, fans did want him). Not to mention that some new stars had to sadly be skipped over due to bad timing (ARMS in general, Rex & Pyra), so odds are they may compensate for that partially.

To be fair on the Western front, Shovel Knight or basically any other indie probably weren’t ever all that likely anyway. There aren’t exactly a ton of western characters or franchises that fit as obviously or super well into Smash also in comparison to the much larger Japanese third party demographic that is intrinsically linked to Nintendo.

Not that I love the idea of Steve as our first Western and I don’t fully expect him like some people, but I also wouldn’t be entirely surprised if he did end up as such.

I also think Smash 4 did more in the fan service department then we sometimes give it credit for. We got a genuinely different mage character in Robin despite expectations of Chrom, Little Mac and Mega Man were pretty huge requests, we saw a good deal of the roster stay and even more classic reps return with DLC in Mewtwo and Roy, plus we ended up with some crazy picks like Cloud and Bayonetta by the end. Mii Fighters were a fairly popular sentiment overall and Pac-Man was also a pretty big deal. Shulk also had quite a bit of support from what I remember.

There were some major missteps for sure, but overall I think there’s a bit more than I think we give it credit for.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Here's an example.

Whoever voiced English Roy did a good job giving him the most horrifying Star KO scream pic.twitter.com/9eGVlBqwel

— Lucbomber💣 (@The_Lucbomber) February 8, 2019

Seriously, did they stab Ray Chase in order for him to scream like that?

Ah, so that's what you mean by star KO! And wow, that is some good voice acting right there.

As for Geno's star KO, I think it should be the sound of Peach's Come Back move, but it's only the first three seconds of the move's sound (the part before the "Come Back" star touches someone).

 

[EarlTamm]

Ah, so that's what you mean by star KO! And wow, that is some good voice acting right there.

He is certainly good at it, but he also did this.

Done pic.twitter.com/vHo16smeiM

— Ray Chase (@RayChase) February 26, 2019

I will be honest though, stuff like this is why I hope Geno gets a voice actor.

As for Geno's star KO, I think it should be the sound of Peach's Come Back move, but it's only the first three seconds of the move's sound (the part before the "Come Back" star touches someone).

That would be kinda ironic, considering the sound effect is related to bringing someone back to life.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not to be that guy, but baby DK and DK Jr are two different characters. The latter of which to my knowledge has been absent since Diddy became a thing (bar cameos in the crowd of Mario Kart and in the N64 Mario Tennis.

Edit: fixed a horde of spelling errors that would make even Clippy blush.

That's entirely my bad. I honestly forgot they were separate characters(or moreso forgot DK Jr. wasn't in Yoshi's Island DS. Baby DK is not exactly memorable among the DKC/DK cast, so...).

Though to be fair, I thought they're literally the same person. DK Jr. became the current Donkey Kong, and Baby Donkey Kong is also the current Donkey Kong. Unless DK Jr. is current DK's father?? Would that be more correct?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Pretty sure Jr. became the current DK, ignore info that says otherwise.

Baby DK makes no sense by any account though, much like Yoshi's Island DS itself.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

That's entirely my bad. I honestly forgot they were separate characters(or moreso forgot DK Jr. wasn't in Yoshi's Island DS. Baby DK is not exactly memorable among the DKC/DK cast, so...).

Though to be fair, I thought they're literally the same person. DK Jr. became the current Donkey Kong, and Baby Donkey Kong is also the current Donkey Kong. Unless DK Jr. is current DK's father?? Would that be more correct?

HUH??

Wait I'm so confused. So Cranky Kong is DK in the original arcade game right? Then DK Jr. is DK... Then current DK is...

You know what **** this I'm just gonna say that Yoshi's Island DS took place before DK Jr. Baby DK is the baby version of DK Jr., and DK Jr. grew up to be the current DK.

 

[FalconFire93]

I’ve been gone for a while due to school and putting my focus into other stuff, but I’m still hoping that Geno does have a good chance of making it and if he does, I’ll probably faint.

 

[EarlTamm]

And there is also the fact that DK and DK Jr both appeared in the original Mario Tennis.