Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[HolyKnight]

I don't get why people are so hyped for Erdrick of all characters. Like, if it were someone from DQ 8, 5 or even 4, I'd understand, those characters had real personality and actual dialogue. Erdrick says nothing ever, and has no real reaction to anything either. I feel like if DQ were to get a rep, it should be someone with at least as much personality as oot Link. Erdrick doesn't fit that.
Unless they've done something with him elsewhere, exluding 11 because those are major spoilers for those who care, and they don't really do anything for him there either.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Sheesh... there's counting your chickens before they hatch, and then there's worrying that said unhatched chickens won't make it to adulthood.

I'd be satisfied if Geno could get into even ONE Smash bro's.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't get why people are so hyped for Erdrick of all characters. Like, if it were someone from DQ 8, 5 or even 4, I'd understand, those characters had real personality and actual dialogue. Erdrick says nothing ever, and has no real reaction to anything either. I feel like if DQ were to get a rep, it should be someone with at least as much personality as oot Link. Erdrick doesn't fit that.
Unless they've done something with him elsewhere, exluding 11 because those are major spoilers for those who care, and they don't really do anything for him there either.

Basically, the main character "rule". I would like Slime or Jessica more myself, but as far as I've seen that "fan rule" has never been broken by any series inclusion so far. He's the necessary weasel that would allow access to the more popular characters.

Well, that, and weapon-swapping is a thing in his series.

I'd be satisfied if Geno could get into even ONE Smash bro's.

I'd be satisfied if we could get more than ONE SE character in Smash bro's. I'd even take Sephiroth at this point.

 

[Teeb147]

I don't get why people are so hyped for Erdrick of all characters. Like, if it were someone from DQ 8, 5 or even 4, I'd understand, those characters had real personality and actual dialogue. Erdrick says nothing ever, and has no real reaction to anything either. I feel like if DQ were to get a rep, it should be someone with at least as much personality as oot Link. Erdrick doesn't fit that.
Unless they've done something with him elsewhere, exluding 11 because those are major spoilers for those who care, and they don't really do anything for him there either.

Basically, the main character "rule". I would like Slime or Jessica more myself, but as far as I've seen that "fan rule" has never been broken by any series inclusion so far. He's the necessary weasel that would allow access to the more popular characters.

Well, that, and weapon-swapping is a thing in his series.



I'd be satisfied if we could get more than ONE SE character in Smash bro's. I'd even take Sephiroth at this point.

I feel like, at least in the west, if anyone's hype it's because of the rumors that it is erdrick. There's heroes I like more, but it's one of the two where we could potentiall get the female version too, and that's big enough for me. If they get in, I'll be glad

If geno gets in on top of that, that's just magic

 

[egaddmario]

I don't think I've ever actually given my two cents on the issue, so here we go:

"Brave" could definitely work for Geno. First and foremost, he's smaller than Mario, which, looking at the SMRPG sprite, he would need to be in order to stand any sort of chance of being "Brave". Second, according to the landing lag data and whatnot, "Brave" seems to be a mid-range zoner. A character who shoots finger bullets, rocket fists, disks, and laser beams doesn't seem like an in-your-face fighter: Geno would definitely have some range to him. Next, Square seems to be up for using Geno in Smash, since he was a Mii Costume last time and a Legendary Spirit this time. Finally, Sakurai bought that figure with a gun who's gun nozzle looks similar, at least in my eyes, to the nozzle on Geno's mii gunner outfit.

This is all conjecture and we could very well be getting Erdrick, but I can't help but have hope for our puppet boy.

Also, Ovaltine if you ever feel like making a Geno/E Gadd picture, I would LOVE to showcase it as my icon. Just saying

 

[Teeb147]

I don't think I've ever actually given my two cents on the issue, so here we go:

"Brave" could definitely work for Geno. First and foremost, he's smaller than Mario, which, looking at the SMRPG sprite, he would need to be in order to stand any sort of chance of being "Brave". Second, according to the landing lag data and whatnot, "Brave" seems to be a mid-range zoner. A character who shoots finger bullets, rocket fists, disks, and laser beams doesn't seem like an in-your-face fighter: Geno would definitely have some range to him. Next, Square seems to be up for using Geno in Smash, since he was a Mii Costume last time and a Legendary Spirit this time. Finally, Sakurai bought that figure with a gun who's gun nozzle looks similar, at least in my eyes, to the nozzle on Geno's mii gunner outfit.

This is all conjecture and we could very well be getting Erdrick, but I can't help but have hope for our puppet boy.

Also, Ovaltine if you ever feel like making a Geno/E Gadd picture, I would LOVE to showcase it as my icon. Just saying

Despite the theorizing, there's no reason it can't be a regular fighter rather than a zoner. And the landing data is a copy paste of Joker's right now.

The height data is probably the most in favour of geno right now. And I dont see a reason why geno doesnt have a good chance, especially considering sakurai. Ya just have to hope, and enjoy what there is, I think.
Gotta go for the day, so wont be able to reply. laters

 

[HolyKnight]

If i had to pick anyone from DQ it would be Jade, hands down. Yangus and Sylvando behind her. Followed by Deborah or Alena
to hell with the main character rule pick someone with a fun and unique style to them.

But really give me Geno or give me nothing SE. Unless theres a shot for Ayla. Which there isnt.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

People over in the Square thread are already worrying Erdrick won't get in the NEXT smash. God, people can be so ungrateful...

Turns out this was a false alarm. Apparently they are just fearing that one DQ game wouldn't quite suffice in representing the series in Smash.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Hello everyone. I figured I would finally join up here because speculation seems to be mostly alive and well for the most part. Seems like everywhere else has fully accepted the list found on 5chan and speculation against it is not very popular. I'm really hoping Brave is Geno by its stats. But I'm also really hoping it's Banjo because of the slide being almost identical.

 

[Looma]

I really hope it's Geno (or Arthur, or someone else who's both cool and not on people's radars) because it would kill that stupid 5chan list and give the whole scene a much needed shaking. God c'mon I'm dyin to talk about some new faces!

 

[Deleted member]

Wow.

I've been trying to get back to the Star Road Discord but it's been loading for an hour

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Why don't we have ANY SMRPG music? It just doesn't make sense with the Spirit there to NOT have the music. If it's someone else; and the music was just left out for no reason, I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[Deleted member]

Why don't we have ANY SMRPG music? It just doesn't make sense with the Spirit there to NOT have the music. If it's someone else; and the music was just left out for no reason, I'm gonna be pissed.

This is one of the things that gives me hope honestly

 

[MissingGlitch]

Why don't we have ANY SMRPG music? It just doesn't make sense with the Spirit there to NOT have the music. If it's someone else; and the music was just left out for no reason, I'm gonna be pissed.

Don't they even have the original SMRPG composer on board already? I swear the only things SE owned in that game were the original characters. Nintendo owned all the music and such.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't they even have the original SMRPG composer on board already? I swear the only things SE owned in that game were the original characters. Nintendo owned all the music and such.

Yeah. Yoko Shimmomura is on board with the Ultimate staff, and they got the rights to Beware the Forest's Mushrooms in Smash 4, when they played it for the Geno Mii costume reveal. Along with Geno, Mallow is a spirit, meaning that Sakurai and Nintendo got the rights to more SMRPG content than just Geno.

It's suspicious why there isn't any SMRPG music in Ultimate right now

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Was there any SMRPG music in previous Smash games?

when they played it for the Geno Mii costume reveal.

Was any of said music actively present in the game though?

 

[Tetrin]

Brave actually reminded me more of Crono than Erdrick if we're going based on height.

But about Geno, why is it so odd that there's no music? I get the spirit battle, but they probably weren't willing to pay Shimomura for her music.

And I'm pretty sure there was no music from Mario RPG in past games anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, but not a fighter. Notice the correlation there?

Spin-offs of series getting representation in Smash are nothing new. However, playable characters exclusively in a spin-off has never happened before unless said spin-off has grown into its own big thing akin to Persona.


Depends on how much they've got left to exhaust. Even now, they've still got contenders like Pauline who's been in mainline stuff now. If say, by the next Smash and so on they have more "Rosalina cases", then it may take a while for them to truly exhaust all options.

You're free to see it that way. But suggesting he's a lock? Ehhhh, not that much of a chance unless he gets into the mainstream series.

Ah I see. I guess you've stated valid reasoning for him not being a "lock" in the same way how Ridley wasn't a lock for Smash Ultimate even though I still guessed he'd be in. However, given Waluigi's current status, legacy, and potential, I'm predicting the next Mario character will be Waluigi. Now personally I'd rather have Geno, but I'm not making the calls here. If we had to take a guess at who would be the next Mario character, I think most people would gravitate toward Waluigi at this point.

Pauline would be pretty sick, though.

But about Geno, why is it so odd that there's no music? I get the spirit battle, but they probably weren't willing to pay Shimomura for her music.

And I'm pretty sure there was no music from Mario RPG in past games anyway.

Potentially, but we already have In The Final and Try, Try Again from the Mario & Luigi series, both composed by Yoko. I don't think that's a specific impossibility.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Was there any SMRPG music in previous Smash games?

I'm pretty sure we got ONE track in SSB4

 

[Deleted member]

Was there any SMRPG music in previous Smash games?

Brave actually reminded me more of Crono than Erdrick if we're going based on height.

But about Geno, why is it so odd that there's no music? I get the spirit battle, but they probably weren't willing to pay Shimomura for her music.

And I'm pretty sure there was no music from Mario RPG in past games anyway.

They were able to use Beware the Forest's Mushrooms to reveal the Geno Mii costume, so I don't see why they couldn't use it again, especially when Yoko Shimmomura is on board with the Smash Ultimate staff and how they got the rights to more SMRPG content than just Geno, as evidence by the Mallow spirit

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I'm pretty sure we got ONE track in SSB4

We need certainty and facts though. Something played in a direct but not the game doesn't count, since FFVII's own opening theme was present in Cloud's Smash reveal, but not in the game itself.

Securing music rights for a trailer is a different story than rights for usage in the game itself.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure we got ONE track in SSB4

In the game itself, we didn't even get one for 4 or Ultimate.

 

[Deleted member]

We need certainty and facts though. Something played in a direct but not the game doesn't count, since FFVII's own opening theme was present in Cloud's Smash reveal, but not in the game itself.

Securing music rights for a trailer is a different story than rights for usage in the game itself.

Yes, they played it when revealing the Geno Mii costume in Smash 4

 

[Tetrin]

Yeah. Yoko Shimmomura is on board with the Ultimate staff, and they got the rights to Beware the Forest's Mushrooms in Smash 4, when they played it for the Geno Mii costume reveal. Along with Geno, Mallow is a spirit, meaning that Sakurai and Nintendo got the rights to more SMRPG content than just Geno.

It's suspicious why there isn't any SMRPG music in Ultimate right now

It was only included for the reveal, which I'd assume is cheaper than including it in game since it's a one time use. It was a lost track in Brawl, however.

Mallow's inclusion doesn't involve Shimomura anyway; the music is owned by her but Mallow is owned by Square.

Potentially, but we already have In The Final and Try, Try Again from the Mario & Luigi series, both composed by Yoko. I don't think that's a specific impossibility.

I guess that's true, but Nintendo isn't exempt from paying her anyway. Perhaps it's just a budgetary thing, idk.

 

[Deleted member]

It was only included for the reveal, which I'd assume is cheaper than including it in game since it's a one time use. It was a lost track in Brawl, however.


I guess that's true, but Nintendo isn't exempt from paying her anyway. Perhaps it's just a budgetary thing, idk.

But that's why it's suspicious. They were able to use it before, Yoko Shimmomura is composing for the game, and they got the rights to more SMRPG content than just Geno, as evidence by, again, the Mallow spirit

 

[MissingGlitch]

Does the composer own the music or does Nintendo? Because if Nintendo owns the music there is a reason they are holding it back. If it's the composer then they might just not want to pay her. But if we are going that route it's strange how she is more then happy to work on Ultimate but not let Nintendo use any SMRPG music.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, they played it when revealing the Geno Mii costume in Smash 4

They're saying just because it was in the trailer doesn't mean it's in the game and that has a meaning due to one being easier to do than the other. I'm sure yo can guess which of the two is cheaper.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Yes, they played it when revealing the Geno Mii costume in Smash 4

That's not actually in the game though.

Again, securing music rights varies in difficulty. It's for reasons like such that a lot of time, songs that play in trailers don't show up in the products the trailers are selling.

 

[Tetrin]

But that's why it's suspicious. They were able to use it before, Yoko Shimmomura is composing for the game, and they got the rights to more SMRPG content than just Geno, as evidence by, again, the Mallow spirit

But Square owns Mallow, not Shimomura. The thing is, Shimomura owns all the music she composed for that game, so including a character from the game and a track from the game are completely separate things.

 

[Deleted member]

They're saying just because it was in the trailer doesn't mean it's in the game and that has a meaning due to one being easier to do than the other. I'm sure yo can guess which of the two is cheaper.

That's not actually in the game though.

Again, securing music rights varies in difficulty. It's for reasons like such that a lot of time, songs that play in trailers don't show up in the products the trailers are selling.

But Square owns Mallow, not Shimomura. The thing is, Shimomura owns all the music she composed for that game, so including a character from the game and a track from the game are completely separate things.

But they still got the rights to it. Again, Yoko is composing music for the Ultimate team, so there isn't any reason to hold it back

Does the composer own the music or does Nintendo? Because if Nintendo owns the music there is a reason they are holding it back. If it's the composer then they might just not want to pay her. But if we are going that route it's strange how she is more then happy to work on Ultimate but not let Nintendo use any SMRPG music.

I'm pretty sure Yoko owns the music

 

[Deleted member]

But they still got the rights to it. Again, Yoko is composing music for the Ultimate team, so there isn't any reason to hold it back

No one's saying she's denying anything for Smash. They're saying she's not gonna let them have it for free, and that can really mean all of the difference for Sakurai's budget, especially for the debatably obscure or forgotten Super Mario RPG.

 

[Tetrin]

But they still got the rights to it. Again, Yoko is composing music for the Ultimate team, so there isn't any reason to hold it back

They got her music from other games because those other games were first party. Mario RPG lucks out and is third. God forbid the music she allowed somehow caused drama between Nintendo and Square, she wouldn't want to have been the catalyst.

 

[Deleted member]

No one's saying she's denying anything for Smash. They're saying she's not gonna let them have it for free, and that can really mean all of the difference for Sakurai's budget, especially for the debatably obscure or forgotten Super Mario RPG.

That's the point. She already composed music for the base game, like the Vega track. Money isn't the reason to hold it back

Tetrin Street Fighter 2 is third party. She composed tracks for SF2 in the base game

 

[Deleted member]

Tetrin Street Fighter 2 isn't third party.

What?

E: Ah nevermind. You had to edit.

 

[Tetrin]

That's the point. She already composed music for the base game, like the Vega track. Money isn't the reason to hold it back

Tetrin Street Fighter 2 is third party. She composed tracks for SF2 in the base game

Afaik it was one song and Street Fighter is admittedly much more relevant than Mario RPG, so it makes sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Afaik it was one song and Street Fighter is admittedly much more relevant than Mario RPG, so it makes sense.

These aren't valid points though.

 

[shocktarts17]

So as someone who has seem much of this same music talk in the Elma thread I would say this, the most likely reason for any music omissions are that they were likely overlooked, forgotten, or deemed not important enough to worry about. With almost 900 songs there were bound to be music that had to be cut or skipped over to save space or time.

Doesn't mean it isn't possible, but it sure isn't anything I would put much stock into.

 

[Deleted member]

These aren't valid points though.

There's no real argument. Absence of music really means nothing over Geno's chances so speculating on why Yoko hasn't given us rights is more unproductive than anything. Add how Mushroom Forest wasn't even added to the game for Geno in Smash 4 and there's nothing to really hope for on this topic.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I feel like, at least in the west, if anyone's hype it's because of the rumors that it is erdrick. There's heroes I like more, but it's one of the two where we could potentially get the female version too, and that's big enough for me. If they get in, I'll be glad

If geno gets in on top of that, that's just magic

Sums up what I would say on the matter personally. I want Geno, Erdrick, Sephiroth, and Sora. Hell I would be very happy with Neku and Chrono even if I think they will never happen.

Also your profile pic is cute.

On another topic, what music besides beware the forest mushrooms would you guys want with Geno?

 

[Tetrin]

These aren't valid points though.

????????

How is it invalid? There’s much more incentive to including music from relevant games than obscure ones, not to mention one from nearly 25 years ago.