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Akuma would hype only hardcore gamers.
If Geno actually becomes a playable fighter after his costume came back, I will be EXTREMELY shocked. I can't think of a good reason to have it come back with Sephiroth but not Geno himself if he's still coming.
Although I sympathize with many Geno fans, it's time to face the facts: the Geno fanbase didn't campaign for their character when it mattered. K. Rool got in because we didn't wait for Sakurai to say that he liked our character before turning out for him in the Smash Ballot.
— Kremling Kampaigner (@KRoolKountry) December 18, 2020
I'm not gonna deny that people enjoy or even wanted Sephiroth. However, as someone who has been around Smash speculation since the DLC for Smash 4, I saw almost nobody requesting him.
Sakurai talked about the character... due to his campaign and support...
You know. It's kind of dumb that K. Rool got into Smash, but he's absence from everything else.
And I understand that's now the opinion of a vast majority of the thread. It's been three days and I feel like the regulars of the thread are okay with the differences. Nobody's like "ah man, I can't be friends with you anymore over this" or anything like that so it's an impasse but on positive terms. It's just better going forward if whether Geno was totally deconfirmed or not is not the focus. Like I said before the presentation, the Isaac thread has the right idea: don't worry about it, continue being a community. Let's rechannel the energy to other stuff so we're not locked in debates for the foreseeable future. I'm tired, we're all tired, but the situation unfolded a thousand times better than I thought it would. Cheers all around. Let's use the fact that we survived a soft deconfirmation and didn't kill each other or go scorched earth on the thread as something to unite the thread and go forward because, ****in' A, this year has sucked on sooooooo many levels and we all deserve the break, amirite comrades?
So sakurai gives geno a mii costume and mentions how he wants him in the game because of the large campaign that geno has and there saying the only reason he has a large following is because sakurai talked about wanting him... because of his large following. Wat?
I don't use the word "cringe" often but man, the fact that whoever runs this account could say something like this without a shred of embarrassment gives me chills. The Smash fanbase's online culture of needing to "campaign" for your character has always been obnoxious. It sucks that Geno as a fighter isn't happening, but make no mistake that his fans have been heard, and that the Mii costume is proof of that. Likewise, I'm sure K. Rool, Ridley and Banjo were recognized without the help of these dumb twitter accounts begging for attention.
Given the history of K. Rool, the irony here is pretty thick. Up until he got in, the history of K. Rool really wasn't that different from Geno's. A lot of the same problems, a lot of the same criticisms from outside the fanbase, etc. I'd like to think that if the roles were reversed we wouldn't specifically single out a fanbase like this but it is what it is. Honestly, I think this is the first time I've seen someone flat out tell a fanbase "things turned out this way because you didn't try hard enough" and it's kind of weird to try to shame an entire fanbase like this. Again, the irony is pretty thick since K. Rool was a "never ever" only two years ago.
Sakurai heavily implied that, like K. Rool, Geno was a Mii costume because of demand:
Yeah, I am surprised at the civility in this thread after it happened. And I assume the differences are the chances of Geno's likelihood still? I still think he can happen, albeit under somewhat specific but unlikely circumstances of an Ultimate port to the next console.
Well the question is where did Geno place on the ballot? I think he could potentially win a new one, but I would guess he placed like tenth.
The problem with that person’s argument isn’t that Geno supporters didn’t vote for other fighters in the ballot...It’s his assumption that a character’s chances to become playable start and end with the ballot.
Soft deconfirmation: Things like Mii costumes and assist trophies because it's never been officially said they deconfirm. More or less stuff that a good chunk of the fanbase believes deconfirms.
Yeah, this is the best point for Geno's deconfirmation. Now Geno has to compete with Travis touchdown, tifa, Barret, heihachi, zero, protoman, sooo many characters that Geno had a leg up on that he is now on the same page as. It isn't great.
It might even be possible that Assist Trophy characters are ahead of Geno now in chances given the time distance between bae game and the 2nd half of FP2.
The results were never released but I feel the sample size of this data collection gives us a good idea how things went down. 45,000 votes is nothing to sneeze at and, from this, it's very heavily implied Geno did extremely well:
I think I can kind of relate to this on some level. I won't lie, as a pretty huge Dragon Quest fan (perfect image to start your post by the way), I got tired of the "LOL GOKU IS IN SMASH" jokes pretty quickly. I mean I'm a filthy memer myself, and the Akira Toriyama art style is why I got in to Dragon quest in the first place, sure, and yes, the series isn't nearly as well known or loved outside of Japan, but I feel like the series as a whole is worth more than just being clowned on as just a series that has another anime swordsman that happens to look like Goku. I mean it IS the original JRPG series, finally getting representation in smash. There's a lot more to the games than just the art style, but maybe this is just me finding an excuse to vent.
I literally couldn’t agree more. I know I’m not the only one here who feels this way but damn, I just can’t stand Twitter lately. What really pisses me off the most is the hypocrisy. People go around supporting and defending someone like K.Rool and then call Geno irrelevant and dead, oh and my personal favorite: just a one-off side character. King K. Rool is literally a one off villain in the Donkey Kong series as well. The IP has been successful just as before without the kremlings, hell Returns was the most financially successful DK game, let that alone tell you about how relevant K.Rool is to the DK series in general.
And this is why Bayonetta "winning" the ballot was BS.The results were never released but I feel the sample size of this data collection gives us a good idea how things went down. 45,000 votes is nothing to sneeze at and, from this, it's very heavily implied Geno did extremely well:
SSB4Dojo's Smash Poll Data Consolidation
Global Character Results All Data was taken during the summer of 2015 during the ballots. These would be the characters Sakurai had knowledge of creating the Smash U Character List For all data shown on this global page, it is a combination of 1/2 US/Euro percentage and 1/2 Japan percentage To ...docs.google.com
Quick takeaways:
13th overall
10th "newcomer"
6th third party characters
Ok as someone who completely disagrees with basically everything in the twitter thread, this post is just kinda factually wrong. Like, completely.
I was actually about to suggest something like this. As a community we really need to set our sights away from Ultimate now regardless of whether we believe Geno can still come or not. Everything for Ultimate is already decided us focusing our energy there won't beget us any tangible results. So how do we nag Nintendo now? How do we make our voices heard? How do we shove our opinions vigorously down the earholes of those who must hear them? These are the questions we need to be asking. Especially that last one. What's the next step for this community? How do we switch gears and apply our passion and energy towards everything SMRPG not limited to just Smash?
By one time I meant he wasn’t exclusive to one game but to a certain era. With Returns he never came back to a mainline DK game and the series has shown to handle itself pretty well without him. They could literally continue with the Snowmads and the games would still be popular and well received as hell.
Ok you got me there, but nevertheless it was a comercial success and thus my point still stands: DK can survive without K.Rool. That doesn’t mean people should forget about him, hell I’m glad the fans brought him back from the dead to Smash, but there’s nothing that inherently goes against Nintendo making Lord Frederick DK’s new “Bowser”. With that said, I think it’s fair to say K.rool and Geno were on the same page when it comes to relevance and support from both fanbases, which means the K.Rool fans shouldn’t try to put down Geno fans with points that K.Rool also suffered from before he went to Smash.
Bayonetta is an exception to this because she was selected by the fan vote, not Nintendo.Counterpoint:
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Bayonetta is not even in the top 10 SEGA franchise wise. Even the combined total of the whole series doesn't even allow it to break the top 40 best selling SEGA games. Literally just the original release of SMRPG on the SNES has sold more than both Bayonetta games combined at roughly 2.1 million copies sold.
No official ballot data was ever released, all anyone has to go off of is characters Sakurai implied (or outright stated) were popular ballot picks, which include Ridley, K. Rool, Simon Belmont, and Chrom.
LOL I did something similar. My votes were Geno, Isaac and Wolf. (Don't judge me, I wanted my old Brawl main back)
