LMAO people downplaying Sora's chances in this thread when Sora's stingy owners have had him appear in more non-KH games then Geno has his entire existence.
Boy, you really never have anything to offer other than toxic negativity, do ya.
First off, Sora is a much different beast than Geno, the only thing they share being the company that created them.
Geno is simply a Square-made Mario character: the legal hang ups are there and he can only really happen if they work together or Nintendo buys everything SMRPG from Square.
Sora is a Square-made Disney character, and Disney functions very differently from Nintendo, but they mostly care about profits. Sora is their gold mine for video games and they don't risk screwing this up, so if you notice his debuts outside of KH are still in Disney or Square games like Tsum Tsums or I think Brave Exvius.
So no, this doesn't make Sora more likely or the devs around him somehow more or less stingy. The facts are that Nomura himself has no plans for Switch with KH and according to Imran Khan Nintendo already tried and failed to work him out and this was recent enough to imply it was for Ultimate.
Though I don't believe it's as big as an issue as people think it would be, I'm okay with people believing that Disney wouldn't let Sora in Smash. The thing I don't like is when people say that Sora coming without Disney content wouldn't represent the series well. I could have been reading this wrong, but the parts you focused on seemed like you were implying that Disney content would have to be part of his combat. I don't think any of what you listed is required to be in his combat, and a lot of his combat in games have nothing to do with Disney.
I've seen people argue that Donald and Goofy would have to be part of his moveset. For one, while they are often fighting along side Sora, most of Sora's combat in KH doesn't involve them besides a few combo attacks. Second, that's like saying Tifa and Barrett need to be in Cloud's moveset which would be ridiculous.
For the drive forms, while they do work by having Goofy or Donald leave for a short period, that's just a gameplay mechanic. If they put drive forms in Sora's Smash moveset, it wouldn't require Goofy or Donald having to be involved. Besides that, I think Sora would mainly be based on KH3. In KH3, they basically changed drive forms to keyblade transformations. They could just do that for his Smash moveset and it wouldn't require anything Disney related.
For summons, just don't have that in his moveset. While they show up in his stage, Cloud's moveset doesn't include summoning Shiva or Ifirit. If they did want to include a summon, Sora does have a Dream Eater summon from KH3 they could use. Same with the Disney rides, just don't include it. There's plenty of other attacks they can use in his Smash moveset.
Like in an ideal world, it would make sense to have Sora come with at least Mickey, Donald, and Goofy spirits and maybe some Disney music. Maybe even have Donald and Goofy in his final smash or make stage cameos. But the idea that Sora without Disney content being too poor of a representation to put him in Smash when Cloud came with only 2 songs, a stage, and no spirits to properly represent Final Fantasy 7 or just Final Fantasy in general is ridiculous.
No, Sora isn't possible without Disney content in some way, shape or form. Disney is half the game and until it got bigger, the other half was split between FF and original characters. Nomura even said he believed the series was strong enough to not need FF characters anymore, so KH3 was half Disney half original.
Sakurai took the time to show us that the villagers sleep in their houses at night despite the fact we will never eve see that in out own games. If they will go that far just to perfectly represent characters and their series, and you STILL think that a game series that sold itself on Disney content wouldn't come with Disney content, I think there is no more room for discussion.
The argument was never about it being in his gameplay, even though Sora's gameplay heavily includes his partners, because other RPG characters have come without their party members. But Shulk is proof that Sora would likely get Trinity Limit as his Final Smash and ya can't do that without the lads.
As for the indie character stuff, I knew what people were saying, I was just adding my portion to it and sighing because we are cycling discussions again for no reason.
Also it seems some people can't read because I never said one indie rep was more popular than any other, and I also mentioned that's actually the problem: you can't have more than one indie rep per pass, if you pick any of them at all, and yet there is no one character that can properly represent indie because they are so diverse.
Why do I say this? Because, the list is too long for long requested characters. We still have a massive backlog of fan requests for the Melee and Brawl days to go through as well as other big picks and Smash isn't an indie fighting game. It's much easier to out somebody's the bigger requests in as costumes and leave the playable slots to the big boys.
EDIT: man proof reading is much more difficult on mobile, phones suck for typing man. I think SMRPG Sequel could very easily be real but time will have to tell that tale. I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow, and keep looking towards Genovember.
