Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[GoodGrief741]

1. Hitagi needs to **** off
2. I may break something if a ****ING HAIR STYLIST MAKES IT IN OVER GENO

Style Savvy’s about clothes, not hair.

 

[owjies]

Fellas i think i cracked the case
we already got our new Square Enix/SMRPG rep and it was Pirannah Plant
i mean,they were in the Japanese commercial for the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7NtTOuUbg

This commercial cracks me up. I love how at the end the two P. Plants on either end are just dancing while the middle one is rapid fire relaying release information. Piranha Plant might actually replace Dark Blue Yoshi as my SMRPG reference outside of the Mii Costume (if it's still there).

 

[EarlTamm]

I just had a thought, since we were talking about Koei Techmo earlier, what if Geno was in a potential Mario Warriors game?

 

[Impa4Smash]

Made it to Monstro Town now on my first playthrough of Mario RPG. My love for Geno increased tenfold when he dealt 9999 damage to a shogun with Geno Whirl and one shot that stupid ant

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

It's really interesting that there are zero Square spirits while Geno appears as an online battle tag. It could be a foreshadowing for Geno DLC in a similar manner to Lucas and Mewtwo. Perhaps there would be a cache of Mario RPG spirits that would get added alongside Geno as a fighter. On the other hand, It seems that Square is extremely protective of their IP. Perhaps it could simply be that Square didn't want their characters represented as disembodied spirits. Since Sakurai couldn't make Geno a spirit, he chose to stick Geno in as a battle tag in order to "soft disconfirm" him alongside Shantae, Paper Mario, BWD, Rex, Elma, etc.

You could be right about the foreshadowing. It could've been a mistake to accidentally show Geno there because it went away very quick, but who knows. If no one can find him in the finalized game as a spirit or battle token, then I think it was hinting his inclusion. Some fighter profiles or battle tokens are already characters, but if they put in a new Geno render, then it could give the hint away and confirm him. The player tokens have different renders or artwork, and it has Geno's old artwork, so it could be something. I didn't know there was a hint for Mewtwo and Lucas in Smash 4, I'm assuming it was the trophies? And yeah, that would be nice if Geno can get more stuff like an AT or spirits in his DLC pack.

 

[EarlTamm]

Made it to Monstro Town now on my first playthrough of Mario RPG. My love for Geno increased tenfold when he dealt 9999 damage to a shogun with Geno Whirl and one shot that stupid ant

Did you know of Geno Whirl's ability to do that, or were you caught off guard by that ridiculous damage?

 

[Burr.]

so i came here to see if Geno's chances might still be good and i saw a thing talking about hoping for good news from Polar tomorrow
s o
what's happening t om o r ro w
might we hear new info about Geno?

 

[GoodGrief741]

so i came here to see if Geno's chances might still be good and i saw a thing talking about hoping for good news from Polar tomorrow
s o
what's happening t om o r ro w
might we hear new info about Geno?

Might I ask, is your profile pic Ghost Trick fanart?

 

[Ze Diglett]

I cannot stress enough how unbelievably suspicious the lack of SMRPG content in the game is. There don't seem to be any Spirits referencing it, no songs, even though Yoko is already on board with the game, even the Mii Costume seems to be strangely absent. All we've seen for it so far is an online icon, and for a character with no known presence in the game otherwise? A peculiar choice, to say the least.
Something's up, y'all. It almost feels like we weren't supposed to see that online icon. In this massive celebration of Nintendo history, SMRPG would not just be skipped over entirely. It's not like nobody played it, since so many people cite it as their gateway to RPGs as a genre. If Geno really was skipped over in favor of Sora or [insert grab-bag Dragon Quest character here], we would at least have a couple rips from the game to throw on some Mario stages. We're not dealing with Nobuo Uematsu here. But not only do we not have that, they removed what little bit of representation the game had. It's almost like they're holding out for something...
Unless we see a Spirit or the Mii Costume show up in the next couple days, I have a very good feeling about our chances for DLC. Stay determined, Genobros. We'll know our fate soon enough.

 

[CraziiDamon]

Hi, I haven't posted here in a while but with all these music leaks and all that stuff, I had some thoughts about why Geno just didn't make it in. Here are my thoughts:
We know Sakurai wants to revive and represent correctly all the franchises that are in Smash, he LOVES to work with original compositors and if the company he's working isn't too conservative with their rights (I'm looking at you SE), he can do TONS of new remixes just to get the job done right. As we can see with all these music leaks, the franchises that got new characters got a lot of remixes (and also Megaman for some reason), but I want to emphasize on K Rool, who got brand new remixes of

Spoiler: Spoiler

Crocodile Cacophony, Snakey Chantey, Bonus level theme,

and more, they actually went back to DKC and took tracks from it because Sakurai and the team knew we didn't only want the character, but the DKC franchise to be represented and revived in some way by completing its cast of characters. With this in mind, I can only think what Sakurai would've wanted to do with SMRPG when he included Geno, the same he did for K Rool, make more remixes with SMRPG and make a big tribute to the original game. Sadly, we know how SE is, how greedy they are for just letting FE, their biggest franchise, to get only two tracks in total, and no new remix. If they didn't let it happen with FE, I just think they also were way too conservative with SMRPG. And Sakurai, after seeing how hard were negotiations with Square for getting the rights for something as minimal as a single track is, he just stopped trying and discarded Geno from the game. He may have the rights to him, but without anything else, his inclusion would feel soulless, a character from a game that he can't even represent correctly. This is why I just don't see Geno happening for DLC because I think his main chance was to be in the base game, but he just couldn't make it in.

I still will continue to support him, but I'm beginning to lose my hope. Don't know what you guys think, I'm open to discussion

 

[Burr.]

Might I ask, is your profile pic Ghost Trick fanart?

uh,i don't know what ghost trick is but my PF pic is Sakamoto from this very underrated and amazing and hilarious anime called Nichijou
you should REALLY watch it if you get the chance,i think it's great and i don't even like 97% of anime. only studio ghibili stuff,jojo and Nichijou

 

[EarlTamm]

uh,i don't know what ghost trick is but my PF pic is Sakamoto from this very underrated and amazing and hilarious anime called Nichijou
you should REALLY watch it if you get the chance,i think it's great and i don't even like 97% of anime. only studio ghibili stuff,jojo and Nichijou

Umm, I would not call Nichijou an underrated anime. Maybe it's not as popular and talked about as it once was, but it was decently popular for a while.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

uh,i don't know what ghost trick is but my PF pic is Sakamoto from this very underrated and amazing and hilarious anime called Nichijou
you should REALLY watch it if you get the chance,i think it's great and i don't even like 97% of anime. only studio ghibili stuff,jojo and Nichijou

Likewise, if you've never played Ghost Trick, I'd highly recommend that one, too. It's a game on DS, to clarify, and one of the best mystery stories I've heard in a VERY long time. The writer for Ace Attorney created it, IIRC. fantastic game, and severely underappreciated.

Wow, didn't think I'd ever hear someone mention Ghost Trick here, lol...small world.

 

[childishgamgeno]

I still will continue to support him, but I'm beginning to lose my hope. Don't know what you guys think, I'm open to discussion

I’m kind of on your boat, where my hope is waning but I’m not tapping out yet. But I do think that if the timeline is correct and if I’m to believe Sakurai still wanted to put Geno in (especially since he’s wanted him since Brawl) then I think the reason he didn’t make base roster this time is simply that SE wanted him to be PAID DLC, If Hitagi is any sort of credible, he mentioned hearing about Cloud being last due to SE which would make him and Stealth two leakers/insiders to say this. If CLOUD who was in the LAST GAME was hard, I imagine it would be difficult to negotiate a second free third party character.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai and Nintendo have the rights to Geno, and considering how difficult SE is to work with, I don't think they would give Sakurai and Nintendo something unless they were being payed for it, so I am still very confident in Geno

 

[DIY]

So, I just found two extremely interesting articles on GameFAQs, both of which seem to relate to the whole Vergeben/xenother situation. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link them or not, however. Anyone know if am I allowed to link them for the purpose of this issue?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So, I just found two extremely interesting articles on GameFAQs, both of which seem to relate to the whole Vergeben/xenother situation. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link them or not, however. Anyone know if am I allowed to link them for the purpose of this issue?

Sure, why not?

You can link basically anything if it's not porn

 

[Burr.]

i feel like putting in Geno would be easier in comparison to the other very likely square enix reps
there's Sora and Sakurai would have to deal with both Square Enix and Disney of America. im very well aware that Disney of Japan would be alright with Sora but Sakurai would have to talk to Disney in America about the other Disney characters and we all very well know how fun they are. I know about the whole Thanos in Fortnite thing but with Nintendo and Disney being Theme park competitors now,i don't think they'd fork over the Disney likenesses. and with Sakurai having to remove stuff from Sora's design,i feel like he wouldn't like being unfaithful to the character. Disney is kindof the backbone of Sora imo and without disney in there with Sora,he's just some other sword fighter.

Dragon's quest i hear sells very poorly here and i also heard it's legal hell having to deal with it so there's that.

My hopes for Geno have gone down but i still hold onto a sliver of hope he'll be in.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Did you know of Geno Whirl's ability to do that, or were you caught off guard by that ridiculous damage?

I was caught off guard. It was actually the first time I used Geno Whirl and he just decimated the ant. That would make a great final smash

 

[DIY]

Sure, why not?

You can link basically anything if it's not porn

Ok, sweet. I read the guidelines earlier but wasn't sure as to whether these links would violate the guidelines or not. Anyways, here is what I found:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77233375

In this page, people are talking about a Resetera user known as Ryce who claims that Vergeben may not have actually heard about Minecraft content. I'm not personally sure as to how legitimate or trustworthy the Ryce guy is as an insider, but from what other people said in that GameFAQs thread, he doesn't seem to have a perfect spotless record.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77229113

So take this thread with an even bigger grain of salt, but this second thread comes from a guy who claims he's an NoA employee and goes into a little bit of detail on how NDAs and leaks work. At one point in the thread, he was asked about his thoughts on Vergeben and Hitagi and responded with this:

"Seen them and I've seen this other joker on here claiming he knows both and in truth I'm honestly skeptical about them. With Vergeben in particular, I hear some telling me they had one of sources tracked down and there's nothing legally they can do to Verge cause it's not like he violated an NDA. This Hitagi guy is whatever, I've never heard anyone bring him up. "

Now, I assume the other "joker" he's referring to is xenother since xenother's thread was made a few hours just before this guy's comment, but I'm just speculating at this point.

Still, just thought I might share these links. They could be something, but they could be not. Still an interesting read though, I'd say.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2018/11/24/118908.html

Apparently there was some Japanese poll and Geno got 4th place!

...Sora was 3rd but Geno was the highest rated TRUE Square rep

Breaking news

Geno and Mallow Spirits may have been found

 

[Deleted member]

https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2018/11/24/118908.html

Apparently there was some Japanese poll and Geno got 4th place!

...Sora was 3rd but Geno was the highest rated TRUE Square rep

When did this poll take place?
Edit: Ignore this

 

[domriver]

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Breaking news

Geno and Mallow Spirits may have been found

Hmmm shouldnt really alter any chance of Geno being a fighter? Spirits of Mario and company are on that list as well.

 

[DIY]

Geno and Mallow Spirits may have been found

RIP if that's true. Where did you find the source?

 

[AugustusB]

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Breaking news

Geno and Mallow Spirits may have been found

Now we need to see the Mii costumes. Hopefully The Forest Maze track can be found, otherwise their Spirit battle (if it exists) is gonna be awkward.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

RIP if that's true. Where did you find the source?

Some guy is streaming looking into the code

We don't know if spirits deconfirm though.

After all, it'd literally be the only Square Enix property in Smash other than Cloud. Not even FF characters made spirits

https://www.twitch.tv/goygoy2

 

[alemerltoucanet]

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Breaking news

Geno and Mallow Spirits may have been found

Oh frick, where does this come from?
Edit: nvm, thanks PsychoIncarnate for the link above.

 

[coolcat12347]

N... No...

 

[ChoccyStar]

1,297 Spirits in total, btw.

 

[EarlTamm]

I was always of the opinion that spirits don't disconfirm, so this does not bother me.

 

[Deleted member]

I was always of the opinion that spirits don't disconfirm, so this does not bother me.

Same, I don't think anyone here should lose any hope

 

[Rummy]

We still don't know if Spirits do remove a Fighter's chance from the list, You also have to consider the fact we haven't spotted any tracks from SMRPG.

(But hey Mallow is here!)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Expectations:

Either Geno is out

Or we're getting a Mallow and Geno tag team

Maybe it's somewhere in the middle where Geno is in

 

[owjies]

Well, if this is true it's nice that we got a Mallow spirit as well. I'm going to stay hopeful, but I've always leaned toward spirits do deconfirm. For example, I don't think Lloyd or Heihachi were on the list of spirits.

 

[coolcat12347]

If it’s deconfirmation...

We were so close.

 

[DIY]

Welp, two Cloud spirits were just found as well.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If it’s deconfirmation...

We were so close.

The only person that claimed Spirits deconfirm was Hitagi

 

[GoodGrief741]

Likewise, if you've never played Ghost Trick, I'd highly recommend that one, too. It's a game on DS, to clarify, and one of the best mystery stories I've heard in a VERY long time. The writer for Ace Attorney created it, IIRC. fantastic game, and severely underappreciated.

Wow, didn't think I'd ever hear someone mention Ghost Trick here, lol...small world.

Heh, same. There really aren’t a lot of us, which is a shame. Still, The World Ends With You got a wider audience with the rerelease, I think Ghost Trick could follow suit.

Ok, sweet. I read the guidelines earlier but wasn't sure as to whether these links would violate the guidelines or not. Anyways, here is what I found:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77233375

In this page, people are talking about a Resetera user known as Ryce who claims that Vergeben may not have actually heard about Minecraft content. I'm not personally sure as to how legitimate or trustworthy the Ryce guy is as an insider, but from what other people said in that GameFAQs thread, he doesn't seem to have a perfect spotless record.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77229113

So take this thread with an even bigger grain of salt, but this second thread comes from a guy who claims he's an NoA employee and goes into a little bit of detail on how NDAs and leaks work. At one point in the thread, he was asked about his thoughts on Vergeben and Hitagi and responded with this:

"Seen them and I've seen this other joker on here claiming he knows both and in truth I'm honestly skeptical about them. With Vergeben in particular, I hear some telling me they had one of sources tracked down and there's nothing legally they can do to Verge cause it's not like he violated an NDA. This Hitagi guy is whatever, I've never heard anyone bring him up. "

Now, I assume the other "joker" he's referring to is xenother since xenother's thread was made a few hours just before this guy's comment, but I'm just speculating at this point.

Still, just thought I might share these links. They could be something, but they could be not. Still an interesting read though, I'd say.

For what it’s worth, I crossed paths with Ryce during my days at GameFAQs Marvel vs. Capcom Speculation. The guy’s legit, and has really good history to back him up. His big Marvel vs. Capcom Infinte leak ended up being only half in the bag, though. Although I guess Gematsu and Vergeben were as well, so Judge by yourselves.

 

[ChoccyStar]

I don't know if Geno is still deconfirmed, would they really get Beware the Forest's Mushrooms during 4 and NOT use it in Ultimate?

And if they decided not to use it, what an absolute waste.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

My belief is that if we get a Geno Spirit battle, then we’ll probably still have the old Mii costume. And that thing, to me at least, is an absolute death sentence to his chances elsewhere...