Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

Honestly, if there's one thing I'm personally bored of is people dismissing my predictions because "too many people would like it." I mean, Christ, I'm a good decade older than a lot of you and I'm not even that jaded. Also, in my own experience, PLENTY of people have whined about the prospects of Geno, Chief, Lloyd, and Dante, never mind the bonus characters. Crash is the only one of my five that seems to be universally wanted and doesn't cause a salt eruption in certain circles when brought up. I dunno, it's just weird me, especially when you consider at this point in time that Brawl and even Melee got more hard fan picks then Ultimate so far so a second pass having a good number of wanted characters is hardly hedonistic. It reminds of the old /v/ joke "imagine unironically enjoying video games" and that's kind of how the Smash fanbase is some days.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

You are. But with the "leak" saying the Direct would be on the 3rd kind of silly to follow up with 2 AC announcements in 2 days.

But who knows.

Tbh, I have my doubts a splatoon. crossover is even gonna happen rn, maybe later but surely not now and considering that leak is from 4chan, I dont believe it by default

 

[MattX20]

Honestly, if there's one thing I'm personally bored of is people dismissing my predictions because "too many people would like it." I mean, Christ, I'm a good decade older than a lot of you and I'm not even that jaded. Also, in my own experience, PLENTY of people have whined about the prospects of Geno, Chief, Lloyd, and Dante, never mind the bonus characters. Crash is the only one of my five that seems to be universally wanted and doesn't cause a salt eruption in certain circles when brought up. I dunno, it's just weird me, especially when you consider at this point in time that Brawl and even Melee got more hard fan picks then Ultimate so far so a second pass having a good number of wanted characters is hardly hedonistic. It reminds of the old /v/ joke "imagine unironically enjoying video games" and that's kind of how the Smash fanbase is some days.

Yeah, it's pretty obnoxious and hypocritical of these guys who try to undermine speculation like this

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's also miserably ironic given how GameFAQs has specifically had 4 raids against this thread since last November to try to get it closed down because, you know, they want Geno so much apparently.~ Also, Lloyd is probably the character of my predictions more controversial than Geno and people didn't really even start liking the idea of Chief until a few months ago when a number of bigger speculation channels on YouTube started taking the idea seriously. Dante's basically the sour grape king because a lot of people are cool with him but at the same time hate that it all but murders the chances of other Capcom characters (myself included).

 

[skydogc]

Honestly, if there's one thing I'm personally bored of is people dismissing my predictions because "too many people would like it." I mean, Christ, I'm a good decade older than a lot of you and I'm not even that jaded. Also, in my own experience, PLENTY of people have whined about the prospects of Geno, Chief, Lloyd, and Dante, never mind the bonus characters. Crash is the only one of my five that seems to be universally wanted and doesn't cause a salt eruption in certain circles when brought up. I dunno, it's just weird me, especially when you consider at this point in time that Brawl and even Melee got more hard fan picks then Ultimate so far so a second pass having a good number of wanted characters is hardly hedonistic. It reminds of the old /v/ joke "imagine unironically enjoying video games" and that's kind of how the Smash fanbase is some days.

That old /v/ joke hits a little hard. Hoy. Takes me back to the Wii U days when I'd get heckled (obviously it wasn't bad, just annoying exchanges of opinions) for owning one and still being a Nintendo fan by people I knew who were fans of other systems. Glad that's not the case anymore.

I've seen a lot of that logic too when I've been watching all the leaks occur (whether actually accurate ones or not) and it is really odd when the main argument against it is, "no it's got too much stuff people would like."
I mean, by that fallacy in logic, the only leaks that could ever hold water would be ones that are only full of content like "Shoe Simulator! See what it's like to live for 365 real time days as a single shoe! And hope that the AI decides to put you on or else you sit in the closet for weeks at a time."

I'm 33, and maybe I'm too optimistic about stuff, but yeah, I don't think like that.

#ShoeSimulatorLife #BeTheFlipFlop

 

[super88cloud]

Sakurai doesn't choose the characters. Terry and Joker were not considered "realistic" pick at the time of FP1. And I'd say Arle, Ryu, Reimu and Robotnick are all in the top 30 realistic pick anyways.

I'm not really baiting, but I'm bored of people pretending they have insider info. They're baiting you.

Aside from that out of the 7 DLC fighters so far, only one (Banjo) was widely speculated/requested outside of a credible leaker leaking Hero. Terry, Joker, Piranha Plant, Min Min and Byleth were all big surprises, or at the very least existed on the very outskirts of speculation. If you really think the pass will look anything like the prototypical gamefaqs prediction I have a bridge to sell you.

Doubt that the predictions will be 100% accurate. Fatman is far from a nostradamus.
Sakurai does have a say on the characters that get in. This has been long stablished.
I really doubt that characters like arle,kos mos or reimu are really in the running. I know that the dlc has a japanese bent for the most part but none of these scream dlc.
That doesn't neccesarily mean that Nintendo wouldn't choose a character from this "cute anime girl" archetype.

 

[Deleted member]

You are. But with the "leak" saying the Direct would be on the 3rd kind of silly to follow up with 2 AC announcements in 2 days.

But who knows.

When the seasons change, they make one of these videos every time. If they intend to release the fall update soon, nothing would be outlandish about another Animal Crossing video.

Honestly, if there's one thing I'm personally bored of is people dismissing my predictions because "too many people would like it." I mean, Christ, I'm a good decade older than a lot of you and I'm not even that jaded. Also, in my own experience, PLENTY of people have whined about the prospects of Geno, Chief, Lloyd, and Dante, never mind the bonus characters. Crash is the only one of my five that seems to be universally wanted and doesn't cause a salt eruption in certain circles when brought up.

I came here purely to post that I too will whine about Chief, Lloyd, Dante and even Crash because I do not personally like any of them. Really, it almost feels like Chief of all characters being part of the wider discussion for Smash is your doing, so to see someone act like Master ****ing Chief is a "popular" choice for Smash is laughable.

He'll never make it in.

 

[Fatmanonice]

A key aspect of fake leaks is too many details. Using that 4chan post as reference, it's too specific and they know too much. Knowing about upcoming stuff is one thing but knowing really nitty gritty details and play by play of presentations is the kind of stuff barely anyone is allowed to know. As you all have seen, the stuff I get is fairly vague and it's typically piece work, often months apart. No contact is going to sit with you and be like "Okay Jimmy, here's all 26 game announcements in the next presentation." There's way too much risk in that. That gets screenshot and sent to the right (wrong) person and that person is guaranteed to be blacklisted. It's a big reason why VRPlant noped the **** out when Sabi leaked like 90% of last year's E3 because if one person in the industry knows that much but isn't allowed to know that much, that's an enormous liability. I mean, ****... Sabi practically blackmailed the NoA ambassador for letting it slip publicly about knowing about Isabelle being playable and Isaac being an AT months in advance so even small leaks can do a lot of damage if traced back to specific people in the industry.

 

[Vector Victor]

That old /v/ joke hits a little hard. Hoy. Takes me back to the Wii U days when I'd get heckled (obviously it wasn't bad, just annoying exchanges of opinions) for owning one and still being a Nintendo fan by people I knew who were fans of other systems. Glad that's not the case anymore.

I've seen a lot of that logic too when I've been watching all the leaks occur (whether actually accurate ones or not) and it is really odd when the main argument against it is, "no it's got too much stuff people would like."
I mean, by that fallacy in logic, the only leaks that could ever hold water would be ones that are only full of content like "Shoe Simulator! See what it's like to live for 365 real time days as a single shoe! And hope that the AI decides to put you on or else you sit in the closet for weeks at a time."

I'm 33, and maybe I'm too optimistic about stuff, but yeah, I don't think like that.

#ShoeSimulatorLife #BeTheFlipFlop

I think people are just burned out by having speculation hopes crushed. Back after Banjo's reveal, everyone was living on Cloud 9. Hopes and speculation reached new heights. People thought anything was possible. 'We got Banjo! The impossible dream! Anything can happen!' Then character five smacked them back to reality by reminding them 'Oh, yea, Nintendo is picking the list.' I think that discouraged people more because that pessimism STARTED the pass, only to be blown away with Joker. So people let their guards down and got optimistic about the choices only to be...not so excited by the last pick.

Also, Smash never, ever ends on a universally hype note. Its never how they start out or continue half way through. The characters are ok but don't hold a candle to what came out before them. So character 11, even 10, are already being written off as disappointing or shills.

I think speculation will only be optimistic and enjoyable up until character 9. After that? Its going to get uglier and horrible. It will be the last two characters in the biggest Smash game ever. Unless they are A++ tier names, fandoms will be out for blood. So I'm hoping Geno and Dixie if playable are earlier. Get them and then get the hell out of the speculation scene.

 

[Firox]

Doubt that the predictions will be 100% accurate. Fatman is far from a nostradamus.

Exactly. One important thing I wanted to point out is that there is a SUPER high probability that ALL of us are wrong. Now, don't misunderstand me, I still think Geno has a better chance than most due to circumstantial evidence, but as for the rest of the pass, how often do our predictions ever really pan out? Sakurai is legendary for pulling out the surprises. For all we know, the pass could end up being Elma, Raiden, Sephiroth, Sigma, etc. etc. etc.

I think if we can guess more than 1 of them, we'll be pretty lucky.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly. One important thing I wanted to point out is that there is a SUPER high probability that ALL of us are wrong. Now, don't misunderstand me, I still think Geno has a better chance than most due to circumstantial evidence, but as for the rest of the pass, how often do our predictions ever really pan out? Sakurai is legendary for pulling out the surprises. For all we know, the pass could end up being Elma, Raiden, Sephiroth, Sigma, etc. etc. etc.

I think if we can guess more than 1 of them, we'll be pretty lucky.

That's the beauty of this ****, or at least it should be. I fully expect Fatman to be dead wrong on every account but Geno simply because the evidence for Geno is so overwhelming that arguing against his likelihood makes flat-earthers look like they have a leg to stand on, and also because I personally want Geno so I fully agree with everyone who wants Geno, duh, it's a cult. And you know what? It's totally ok for Fatman to be wrong and for whoever gave Fatman these ideas in the first place to also be wrong because video games are a cold war era spy film in real life and misinformation is all over the place.

My predictions for the final 5 are still Geno, Lloyd, Isaac, Crash (note how I don't really want two of these ****ers but I admit their chances are pretty god damned good) and some ancient Nintendo character that would be the absolute worst way to end the era that is Smash Bros imaginable, but at least will likely melt the minds of zoomers everywhere as they crack open wikipedia to try to fathom who this character is and why they could ever have deserved a spot in the most legendary crossover platform fighter to ever exist. Big ****ing bonus points if it's Nester because I'd go ape**** instead of just being mildly entertained.

 

[MattOnwheels]

I feel like quite a few of my most recent posts have been just screenshots of "leaks" off 4chan or whatever, but I digress...

This was posted on Monday (yesterday) about 4:30 EST, not sure when Nate and those fellas started hinting at the 3rd or when Nintendo PR started dropping suggestions or when the private videos were posted but this would also fall on the 3rd (this Thursday).

I'll say it again, as before, that yes, most of the times the leaks are BS and untrue. But 4chan does get legitimate leaks and this one feels like it could be real. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but based on my parameters posted way back in the thread it hits a few of them (within a few days of a rumored direct, being the biggie). Nothing in here seems too out there, it all follows current speculation and has some things underwhelming and "very Nintendo" enough they could be true (GBA games as something separate from NSO? Absolutely a Nintendo move). Also of note is that it lacks Geno, who we never really had as a guarantee but a very strong feeling. Rex and Pyra totally would be characters they'd unveil at this time and place because... wtf not, Nintendo?

This may be one to watch. I'm not buying it 100%, but again with everything be so slow and boring lately, it's fun to speculate.

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SUPER. MARIO. SUPER. GALAXY.

I mean, at least TRY!

 

[Rural_Juror]

It's also miserably ironic given how GameFAQs has specifically had 4 raids against this thread since last November to try to get it closed down because, you know, they want Geno so much apparently.~ Also, Lloyd is probably the character of my predictions more controversial than Geno and people didn't really even start liking the idea of Chief until a few months ago when a number of bigger speculation channels on YouTube started taking the idea seriously. Dante's basically the sour grape king because a lot of people are cool with him but at the same time hate that it all but murders the chances of other Capcom characters (myself included).

To be fair, I'm pretty sure GameFAQs hates EVERY character. They hated Ridley, K. Rool, Daisy, Chrom, Isabelle, Terry. Now they hate Geno and Crash.

 

[Vector Victor]

That's the beauty of this ****, or at least it should be. I fully expect Fatman to be dead wrong on every account but Geno simply because the evidence for Geno is so overwhelming that arguing against his likelihood makes flat-earthers look like they have a leg to stand on, and also because I personally want Geno so I fully agree with everyone who wants Geno, duh, it's a cult. And you know what? It's totally ok for Fatman to be wrong and for whoever gave Fatman these ideas in the first place to also be wrong because video games are a cold war era spy film in real life and misinformation is all over the place.

My predictions for the final 5 are still Geno, Lloyd, Isaac, Crash (note how I don't really want two of these ers but I admit their chances are pretty god damned good) and some ancient Nintendo character that would be the absolute worst way to end the era that is Smash Bros imaginable, but at least will likely melt the minds of zoomers everywhere as they crack open wikipedia to try to fathom who this character is and why they could ever have deserved a spot in the most legendary crossover platform fighter to ever exist. Big ****ing bonus points if it's Nester because I'd go ape instead of just being mildly entertained.

Honestly, I never really cared if a leaker or insider was wrong. There were plenty of times I HOPED they were wrong based on their information and my own personal hopes/bias, but I didn't want them mocked or arrested just because they had something wrong or partially correct. And with how stup-, inconsistent, Nintendo has been this year, I can see Nintendo dropping/changing plans literally 20 seconds beforehand and so insiders have the wrong information.

The only times I got annoyed at insiders were Gematsu because he just had to keep inputting his thoughts/information before every event (before E3? Fine. Before a random reveal on the Smash site? Dude, take a break.) and these Mario Anniversary games because they just. Keep. Being. Brought. Up. Gameexplain just did another video on it. Now its every week, and its annoying because from the perspective of non-insiders, its harping on a topic that doesn't officially exist. And it hasn't helped that its turned into a parody used to mock fake leakers. 'Oh, the reveal trailer is coming tomorrow. Yep, 3 days from now. We will be so excited when it is revealed next week. I am counting down to the big showcase in one month. Better get a good seat for the video coming out 3 months from now. All my friends are happy at the news in 6 months. Yes sir, you all will look foolish doubting me next year. My parents are buying me a fancy phone as a graduation gift so I can watch the trailer when I graduate in 4 years.'

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think people are just burned out by having speculation hopes crushed. Back after Banjo's reveal, everyone was living on Cloud 9. Hopes and speculation reached new heights. People thought anything was possible. 'We got Banjo! The impossible dream! Anything can happen!' Then character five smacked them back to reality by reminding them 'Oh, yea, Nintendo is picking the list.' I think that discouraged people more because that pessimism STARTED the pass, only to be blown away with Joker. So people let their guards down and got optimistic about the choices only to be...not so excited by the last pick.

Also, Smash never, ever ends on a universally hype note. Its never how they start out or continue half way through. The characters are ok but don't hold a candle to what came out before them. So character 11, even 10, are already being written off as disappointing or shills.

I think speculation will only be optimistic and enjoyable up until character 9. After that? Its going to get uglier and horrible. It will be the last two characters in the biggest Smash game ever. Unless they are A++ tier names, fandoms will be out for blood. So I'm hoping Geno and Dixie if playable are earlier. Get them and then get the hell out of the speculation scene.

Even beyond Smash there's also various first party franchises that have gone into hibernation or disappeared entirely much to various fan's disappointment. Hence why stuff like a new Donkey Kong game in an alleged, no matter how nice the prospect of it might be,, is immediately seen as dubious because this is the same IP that's had two new games in the last 10 years.

If you see a supposed leak that suggest a new Advance Wars, Punch Out, Wario Land, or F-Zero it is not cynicism to conclude that's not likely given the place such franchises are at now.

 

[Fatmanonice]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure GameFAQs hates EVERY character. They hated Ridley, K. Rool, Daisy, Chrom, Isabelle, Terry. Now they hate Geno and Crash.

Same with /v/. They're usually contrarian.

The duality of /v/:

"You want Geno? Phhht, nice bandwagoning. Nobody outside the Smash community even knows who he is. Keep dreaming, Boomer."

"Guys! The next character HAS to be (insert Japanese exclusive gacha mobile game character that's 4 months old)! This post from last year correctly predicted (insert one thing out of twenty) so you KNOW it's true!"

 

[Theguy123]

A key aspect of fake leaks is too many details. Using that 4chan post as reference, it's too specific and they know too much. Knowing about upcoming stuff is one thing but knowing really nitty gritty details and play by play of presentations is the kind of stuff barely anyone is allowed to know. As you all have seen, the stuff I get is fairly vague and it's typically piece work, often months apart. No contact is going to sit with you and be like "Okay Jimmy, here's all 26 game announcements in the next presentation." There's way too much risk in that. That gets screenshot and sent to the right (wrong) person and that person is guaranteed to be blacklisted. It's a big reason why VRPlant noped the ** out when Sabi leaked like 90% of last year's E3 because if one person in the industry knows that much but isn't allowed to know that much, that's an enormous liability. I mean, **... Sabi practically blackmailed the NoA ambassador for letting it slip publicly about knowing about Isabelle being playable and Isaac being an AT months in advance so even small leaks can do a lot of damage if traced back to specific people in the industry.

I hate how pretty much every fake 4chan leak just has games that fans want and games from big companies. There’s no shill pick games and no games on there that would make people go “Huhh”.

 

[Vector Victor]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure GameFAQs hates EVERY character. They hated Ridley, K. Rool, Daisy, Chrom, Isabelle, Terry. Now they hate Geno and Crash.

The funny thing is that after they go onto essay length rants as to why they are against Geno (one game), K Rool (irrelevant), Banjo (abandoned by owners), Isaac (dead franchise), any sword user that is even 1 degree anime looking (anime swordsmen), any 90s character (90s), Goku (Goku), they then turn around and hype Crono as the perfect choice.

 

[TheAnvil]

I mean, I've gone into full detail on why I'm going with these characters and have for a long time so nice b8 m80.

Yes, because you pull information out your ass and parade it as legitimate just for clout. You tell people what they want to hear and you've built a reputation of doing it for years. Nobody is dismissing your prediction, they're dismissing the predictions based on the phantom insider information you tell people you have.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yes, because you pull information out your ass and parade it as legitimate just for clout. You tell people what they want to hear and you've built a reputation of doing it for years. Nobody is dismissing your prediction, they're dismissing the predictions based on the phantom insider information you tell people you have.

Yeah man, my posts on a dying Web 1.0 forum are a real Ottoman Empire. I'm real life Ozymandias over here with my bare bones social media presence. Check out my literally zero Tweets and YouTube videos, my thousands upon thousands of non-subscribers/followers. "You just tell people what they want." Is that why I've had 4 of my 5 Season 2 predictions locked in since last November? Strangely consistent for somebody who supposedly is just piecing together flavors of the month despite the fact that, as already pointed out, Crash is the only one that isn't super controversial. But, seriously, what clout? Outside this thread a good number of people unironically hate me and have threatened my friends and family over this stuff. Not exactly riding around on the palanquin over here given I'm typically chased out of most threads I try to post in.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Yes, because you pull information out your ass and parade it as legitimate just for clout. You tell people what they want to hear and you've built a reputation of doing it for years. Nobody is dismissing your prediction, they're dismissing the predictions based on the phantom insider information you tell people you have.

As someone who's probably the most anti-elitist guy on the site, I'll say that of the HUNDREDS of online clout-chasing Bourgeoisie figures in the Nintendo community, Fatman seems one of the least offensive. He's not without his faults and contributions to the cycle, but his heart is at least in the right place and he's a good dude.

UNLIKE YOU, LAXCHRIS! YOU TOO, BLOCKEDCONTENT! Angry fist shaking noises

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Bourgeoisie figures

...does that really matter?

"Guys! The next character HAS to be (insert Japanese exclusive gacha mobile game character that's 4 months old)! This post from last year correctly predicted (insert one thing out of twenty) so you KNOW it's true!"

Thank you Fatman, this made me laugh super hard xD I really don't get people's fixation with gacha mobile characters. What are some of the more egregious examples you've seen people tout?

 

[MattOnwheels]

...does that really matter?

By all means Ignore me if what I say bothers you.

Edit: Looking at the way I worded it, I want to just say for clarity's sake that Fatmanonice is none of the things TheAnvil is accusing him of. Anything nitpicks i might have towards his theorycraft are minor and I know from my time in here and through conversation he's the last person anyone should see as nefarious.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Also, the question begs to be asked, when did pass predictions that aren't gun-in-your-mouth-depressing become "pandering?" More than 2 characters people actually want? Literal degeneracy! Behold, the duality of the Smash fanbase:

"Geno's not happening because literally no one outside of the Smash fanbase knows who he is and his popularity is grossly exaggerated. Anything supporting Geno is literally leakbait."

VS

"Geno's a meme pick and won't get in because Sakurai is secretly Santa Claus and can read the hearts and minds the world over, knowing that Geno is a flavor of the month character (for 15 years running) and nobody genuinely wants him. He's popular but he's not Really Popular ™."

 

[SpectreJordan]

When the seasons change, they make one of these videos every time. If they intend to release the fall update soon, nothing would be outlandish about another Animal Crossing video.


I came here purely to post that I too will whine about Chief, Lloyd, Dante and even Crash because I do not personally like any of them. Really, it almost feels like Chief of all characters being part of the wider discussion for Smash is your doing, so to see someone act like Master ****ing Chief is a "popular" choice for Smash is laughable.

He'll never make it in.

Besides disagreeing with the Chief statement, I do agree that there’s no scenario that pleases everyone. A vocal minority will always pop up against whichever characters get in. If Fatman’s predictions become reality, then you’ll see a ton of people mad that those characters got in over Nintendo characters.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Also, the question begs to be asked, when did pass predictions that aren't gun-in-your-mouth-depressing become "pandering?" More than 2 characters people actually want? Literal degeneracy! Behold, the duality of the Smash fanbase:

"Geno's not happening because literally no one outside of the Smash fanbase knows who he is and his popularity is grossly exaggerated. Anything supporting Geno is literally leakbait."

VS

"Geno's a meme pick and won't get in because Sakurai is secretly Santa Claus and can read the hearts and minds the world over, knowing that Geno is a flavor of the month character (for 15 years running) and nobody genuinely wants him. He's popular but he's not Really Popular ™."

WAIT A MINUTE. SAKARAI ISN'T SANTA CLAUSE?! If that's true, then how do you explain all these new fighters that show up in my game?! Remember when they said Banjo-Kazooie would never happen? Then why did I get the characters, Fatman?!

WHY DID I GET THE CHARACTERS?!

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Sakurai is secretly Santa Claus

Spoiler: spoiler-ed for potential NSFW content

Pictured: Sakurai negotiating with a Square Enix exec to get Geno into Smash.

 

[MisterMike]

Also, the question begs to be asked, when did pass predictions that aren't gun-in-your-mouth-depressing become "pandering?"

November 1st, 2018.

 

[a random user]

Spoiler: spoiler-ed for potential NSFW content

Pictured: Sakurai negotiating with a Square Enix exec to get Geno into Smash.

so is he the guy with the knife being aggressive with negotiations, or the other guy, because negotiations are going badly

 

[Megadoomer]

"My predictions are every character heavily speculated, and every generic fighter pass prediction ever posted on gamefaqs"

There are plenty of reasons why these characters have a ton of people speculating that they'll be included. You're acting like everyone's jumping on a bandwagon and not putting any thought into it when any of them would be easily justified when it comes to their inclusion.

I'm not as sure about Crash (I'm not super familiar with the franchise), but Lloyd seems like a Namco-Bandai front-runner with Heihachi presumably ruled out by the Tekken costume (and Namco-Bandai characters have been weirdly absent in Smash as a whole even though they've helped to make the previous two/three Smash games), while Geno's one of the last big fan-requested characters (if not the last big fan request, if we're not counting assist trophies).

Dante's been brought up by both Hideki Kamiya (former director of the series) and Hideaki Itsuno (current director of the series) on top of being (arguably) one of the front-runners of Capcom (when Capcom characters are such a popular choice for this game that people want to see a full-on Nintendo vs. Capcom crossover), and Master Chief is probably one of the last "break the internet" kind of Smash reveals (along with Snake, Sonic, Cloud, and maybe a few others) outside of a Sony-owned or non-video-game character making it in.

There's no reason to act all snarky (or, in posts after this one, to start outright bashing people) over predictions for who's going to make it into Smash Ultimate as DLC.

Also, I find it kind of funny that the discourse around Master Chief and Dante has gone from "it's never going to happen - they've got no ties to Nintendo" to "it's never going to happen - they'd be too obvious."

 

[Deleted member]

so is he the guy with the knife being aggressive with negotiations, or the other guy, because negotiations are going badly

Sakurai would probably be the guy with the knife. We all know that Sakurai is a beast on the inside.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Yes, because you pull information out your ass and parade it as legitimate just for clout. You tell people what they want to hear and you've built a reputation of doing it for years. Nobody is dismissing your prediction, they're dismissing the predictions based on the phantom insider information you tell people you have.

Based on everything I’ve witnessed in this thread, and I feel like I’ve experienced most stuff relating to this topic as long as it’s a post here, Fatman isn’t lying dude. He doesn’t assert his predictions as 100% fact anyway, because...they’re predictions. He doesn’t expect us to get mad or 100% agree with them/accept them as 100% fact, because they’re predictions. Some of us here have (civilly) argued with him even, thinking other characters look more likely.

He doesn’t change his predictions to make people happy and get off his case, either. He didn’t even claim to have any insider/insider-like contacts/discord stuff until last year or the last few months or so of 2018, and that’s something others can back him up on (regarding being in discords with in-the-know people and stuff; I can only go as far as stuff he’s said and events that have taken place from my own experience over the past couple years tbh, and others can for that too with some people being here much longer, but the stuff he shares looks legit, and the users who have backed him up should certainly prove he’s not a serial liar). He doesn’t act like it will all end up true, though he and some of us do hope at least some of it will be true. His contacts aren’t 100% sure on everything, and they don’t all agree, either.

Really the people outside this thread who talk bad about Fatman everytime he’s mentioned and/or sometimes reference him anyway seem more like the real clout-chasers tbh and they don’t even bother humoring others’ viewpoints who’ve actually experienced just about all this stuff. They just assume stuff and join a hateful bandwagon, even after a person they seemed to trust backed Fatman up.

But I guess I won’t say anymore in this discussion. This is Fatman’s matter of course, so I guess it’s none of my business; it just bugs me to see an innocent dude get treated as a boogeyman over negative assumptions and misunderstandings, and I feel like I could maybe help after being here for a couple years and seeing most stuff, so I guess I just try. He’s not without his mistakes, but neither is any of us or anyone else, really; he just tries his best.

 

[Fatmanonice]

November 1st, 2018.

Okay... Yes... Yes... Fine... I definitely recognize that the Grinch turned half the Smash fanbase into doomers but somedays it's over the top. "We'll be lucky if we get one popular character out of the 6." I mean, ****, I've worked with homeless people with more hope than people like this. People
missing most of their teeth and had limbs literally rotting underneath bandages and layers of covering who weren't this goddamn dumpy all the time. NintenDOOMED wears thin easily but this whole idea that Ultimate is going to end on totally tepid "wow, who cares" additions is especially grating.

 

[a random user]

Presumably, there are plenty of reasons why these characters have a ton of people speculating that they'll be included. You're acting like everyone's jumping on a bandwagon when any of them would be easily justified when it comes to their inclusion.

I'm not as sure about Crash (I'm not super familiar with the franchise), but Lloyd seems like a Namco-Bandai front-runner with Heihachi presumably ruled out by the Tekken costume (and Namco-Bandai characters have been weirdly absent in Smash as a whole even though they've helped to make the previous two/three Smash games), while Geno's one of the last big fan-requested characters (if not the last big fan request, if we're not counting assist trophies).

Dante's been brought up by both Hideki Kamiya (former director of the series) and Hideaki Itsuno (current director of the series) on top of being one of the front-runners of Capcom (when Capcom characters are such a popular choice for this game that people want to see a full-on Nintendo vs. Capcom crossover), and Master Chief is probably one of the last "break the internet" kind of Smash reveals (along with Snake, Sonic, Cloud, and maybe a few others) outside of a Sony-owned or non-video-game character making it in.

There's no reason to act all snarky (or, in posts after this one, to start outright bashing people) over predictions for who's going to make it into Smash Ultimate as DLC.

crash is popular for 2 reasons his games were good as sold great, and because he was the face of playstation back in they day when most people on here were young, even being pushed as a rival to mario in his comercials

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[SNEKeater]

You are. But with the "leak" saying the Direct would be on the 3rd kind of silly to follow up with 2 AC announcements in 2 days.

But who knows.

Which leak? If you're talking about Zell/Tsubasa's hint, he only says 3, which obviously means this Thursday, but that doesn't mean the Mario Collection is gonna be announced in a Direct. It could be a Twitter announcement, which I think is the most likely scenario in this moment, in the case the Mario games are scheduled to be revealed soon, I mean.

 

[Megadoomer]

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I get that he was the face (arguably - a similar claim could be made for Cloud or Lara Croft) of the Playstation 1, and having him, Mario, and Sonic in the same game would be a huge historic moment; I'm just not sure why he's suddenly viewed as likely. I get that he's got a bit of a renaissance between the N. Sane Trilogy, CTR: Nitro Fueled, and Crash Bandicoot 4 coming out, but I don't recall him having the same kind of demand that Banjo and Kazooie had. (they're the only western-owned playable character in Smash, so they're the only example that I have to go on - then again, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Cuphead, Bit.Trip Runner, Fallout, Assassin's Creed, Rayman, and Undertale all made it in through various forms, so it could happen)

 

[pinshadow]

See, that's what I don't get about this. Literal Rando's on Twitter like the guy who was claiming to randomly DM one person what was going to be in the "August 28th direct" a few weeks ago get more out of this than Fatman does. The entire rest of the board at most tolerates him and he's basically locked into this one thread on a dying web forum. The only thing he really gets is clout in a small subsection of the Geno community... in which he's already well liked by almost everyone regardless just due to his history with it and being a generally nice dude.

I don't really give a damn if you don't believe him, and I'd argue it's reasonable to take everything he says with a giant pile of salt and that I disagree with a decent portion of the stuff he's said. but what do you think you'll accomplish by coming in here? That the entire Geno thread will go up in smoke if Fatman leaves? Because guess what, this isn't his thread, it's GENO's thread. Being honest everything pointing towards Geno being in at this point has absolutely nothing to do with him. You calling Fatman a "lying fraud sham" doesn't suddenly cause the Geno costume to materialize out of thin air into Smash Ultimate.

 

[Vector Victor]

To put it bluntly: if Fatman's predictions end up not only 100% wrong but almost comically opposite in literally every degree imaginable, the impact that it will have on my life is:

Absolutely zero.

My life will literally not change in any way one second before the truth to one second after the truth, and I'm sure that's true for several people. To me,, if its all a massive scam, then someone wasted many hours of their life to sucker me over the years over something in a video ga- and I'm over it. I don't understand the people who try to warn and 'save' the thread from being fooled. Pretty sure most here don't really care if the predictions are right or wrong.

 

[Firox]

Sakurai would probably be the guy with the knife. We all know that Sakurai is a beast on the inside.

Sakurai: "So are you going to let me put Geno in Smash or what?"

Square exec: "Pfft, I don't see why we should. Peons like yourself can't fathom the unbridled glory of our IPs."

Sakurai: (picks up a family photo off the exec's desk) "Quite a lovely family you have there. It would be an absolute shame if something were to happen to them. Especially that little daughter of yours. Besides, I'm sure she'd much rather play with cute wooden dolls, wouldn't you agree?..."

Square exec: ".......where do I sign?"

(later that day)

Nintendo exec: "Wow! How did you ever get SE to agree to Geno?"

Sakurai: "Oh, I have my ways. Just ask Microsoft how I got Banjo...."

 

[Deleted member]

Besides disagreeing with the Chief statement, I do agree that there’s no scenario that pleases everyone. A vocal minority will always pop up against whichever characters get in. If Fatman’s predictions become reality, then you’ll see a ton of people mad that those characters got in over Nintendo characters.

Master Chief has a major hurdle to overcome: he has never appeared on a Nintendo console, even in a spinoff or secondary work. No character in Smash has broken this one rule, the only rule that even Sakurai pointed out. Not Cloud, who was in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories and Theaterhythm Final Fantasy. Not Joker, who was in Persona Q2.

Master Chief's prospects for Smash is almost entirely, to my knowledge, riding on the off chance that Master Chief Collection is actually coming to Switch, a rumor that was peddled by a dude who just today decided it was time to dip out of the speculation game (and I don't blame him)...

To use this turn of phrase in the best way it can be used:
This ain't it, Chief.