So, anything new on hints or something about Nintendo Directs?
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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior
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okamifire
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Last I knew I think the word on the street is just that there will be two of them (though it's unknown if they will be Mini, Partner, or Main) in the month of August. Given there are only two more weeks of August, if this is true, we should know pretty soon.
Great. Now I have to post this.
Anyone from Super Mario RPG would look prettier than this.
CopperKoopa
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I still contend that a lot of franchises got snubbed. I know it's impossible to please everybody but include anything that matters from a franchise within a game like Smash where so many IPs are interacting. However, Pikmin definitely got a big shaft. A couple of the songs got removed because of licensing issues too. I really want Alph to be a separate echo fighter with the current move set plus Rock Pikmin and Winged Pikmin replacing purple and white, while Olimar gets the current move set with his old recovery and no Rock or Winged. Of course that means they would also both go back to having six Pikmin max, which I don't know why we didn't go back to since the 3DS is not holding the game back anymore. Rock Pikmin can even have a unique gimmick where they also tackle fighters like a purple Pikmin, but trade some of that knockback for being much better at breaking through shields and having a higher priority against different moves. Winged Pikmin would still appear for Alph's recovery, but if he has Winged Pikmin following him they would join in and buff the recovery. As a projectile, Winged would be super weak but they'd have a higher flight path when thrown and slight homing properties. It would make Alph be a little more aggressive and safer for noobs, while keeping Olimar as the big brain set up fighter.Since we're talking about Echo Fighters, this is your reminder thatis by far the most snubbed Echo Fighter. Yeah I'd love another Sonic character and some other Echo Fighters, but Alph is actually in the game and was even gonna be a clone character in Smash 4. As of now, Alph is basically what Sakurai said Lucina and Dark Pit were gonna be in Smash 4. Why did those two get upgraded but not Alph? Heck, Sakurai was even gonna have Rock Pikmin in his moveset. As it stands, Rock Pikmin are, for some reason, the only Pikmin not represented in Olimar's moveset.
I know my Pikmin bias is probably showing, but Alph is literally the only other individual character to be relegated to a skin (alongside the Koopalings, but I don't think they'd all be Echo Fighters). Seriously, I don't understand why Sakurai didn't just make Alph an Echo of Olimar and just replace Purple Pikmin with Rock Pikmin and then ditch the White Pikmin for him. That way Alph would have slightly different properties such as having one less Pikmin, and the addition Rock Pikmin.
Yeah I know Pikmin isn't the most popular franchise (trust me I get it), but come on, Alph was literally gonna be a clone in the previous game and despite the new Echo Fighters branding, is the only character who is stuffed into being a skin for another character (aside from the aforementioned Koopalings). Yes I know this isn't the Pikmin thread so I'll shut up, but this talk about Echo Fighters got me all hot and bothered about Alph all over again. Forget your Dixie Kongs, Medusas, Shadows, Gooigis, etc., Alph is the real embodiment of a deserved Echo Fighter slot.
You're also forgetting the mushroom Pikmin from the first game! They could be super rare to pull up, and they would completely ignore the player, instead just bum rushing any opponent that's nearby and causing a flower to grow on their head as they attack. Bulbmin I picture also being rare and just super big, enough that they would take up the space of two Pikmin in your inventory. They would not throw very far but they would have really high knockback and then sort of snap at people who come near them as they stand around waiting to be whistled over. This makes the mushroom Pikmin something like a lucky accident and the Bulbmin a trap you can set up
To keep this on topic with Geno, I really hope that Mario RPG gets a decent amount of representation. I know that the DLC fighters tend to, but then there's weird stuff like Banjo coming with very few spirits or missing 1/3 of the ARMS cast (except as music).
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The general hints indicate an indie/partner showcase around the 17th featuring a lot of the smaller games, so probably smaller third parties like the original partner direct. Nothing has been confirmed to 100% be there, but expect games around the size of things like NMH 3 or smaller, and so on around that direct.
Then most insiders are saying that there will be a big direct around the end of the month, most likely a week or so after the partner direct. This is where you can expect to see a lot of the rumored games like the 3D Mario collection. Judging from what they are stating it won't be a Mario direct, but most likely a big general direct. Expect games that are releasing in 2020 and early 2021.
I already knew that. I meant this: anything knew beyond that?
CopperKoopa
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We also didn't talk about the update to M Theory.
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TLDR Advertisements are not rated by the ESRB, but there is a rating system for them. If an advertisement is talking about a compilation, the rating for the ad must reflect each individual item being advertised in the compilation. In order to keep the ESRB's E10+ rating, Nintendo would need to avoid mentioning any other games above that rating by name in the advertisement.
This could explain why the Persona logo/mentions in promo material disappeared or why we saw "Smash X Altair" but not Assassin's Creed. Since the second fighter pass is now missing the ARMS logo in all of the promo material for that, it's possible that another fighter is going to be from a T or M rated IP. You could argue it's just to keep consistency with the look of the first fighter's pass, but the theory dovetails nicely with speculation we are getting characters like Dante and Master Chief. We may also be getting Mii costumes for 2B, Joanna Dark and Cacodemon, so if those or others like them don't pop up with their franchise names or logos then M theory is pretty dang close to being confirmed.
Smash Ultimate “M Theory” suggests DLC fighter will be from M-rated game
The evidence is stacking up in favor of a popular new Smash Ultimate theory that suggests a DLC fighter will be from an M-rated franchise or game.
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TLDR Advertisements are not rated by the ESRB, but there is a rating system for them. If an advertisement is talking about a compilation, the rating for the ad must reflect each individual item being advertised in the compilation. In order to keep the ESRB's E10+ rating, Nintendo would need to avoid mentioning any other games above that rating by name in the advertisement.
This could explain why the Persona logo/mentions in promo material disappeared or why we saw "Smash X Altair" but not Assassin's Creed. Since the second fighter pass is now missing the ARMS logo in all of the promo material for that, it's possible that another fighter is going to be from a T or M rated IP. You could argue it's just to keep consistency with the look of the first fighter's pass, but the theory dovetails nicely with speculation we are getting characters like Dante and Master Chief. We may also be getting Mii costumes for 2B, Joanna Dark and Cacodemon, so if those or others like them don't pop up with their franchise names or logos then M theory is pretty dang close to being confirmed.
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Let Geno Smash
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IMO the M Rated theory make TOO much sense, even if didn't help Geno. But I scared to get something like.We also didn't talk about the update to M Theory.
Smash Ultimate “M Theory” suggests DLC fighter will be from M-rated game
The evidence is stacking up in favor of a popular new Smash Ultimate theory that suggests a DLC fighter will be from an M-rated franchise or game.
TLDR Advertisements are not rated by the ESRB, but there is a rating system for them. If an advertisement is talking about a compilation, the rating for the ad must reflect each individual item being advertised in the compilation. In order to keep the ESRB's E10+ rating, Nintendo would need to avoid mentioning any other games above that rating by name in the advertisement.
This could explain why the Persona logo/mentions in promo material disappeared or why we saw "Smash X Altair" but not Assassin's Creed. Since the second fighter pass is now missing the ARMS logo in all of the promo material for that, it's possible that another fighter is going to be from a T or M rated IP. You could argue it's just to keep consistency with the look of the first fighter's pass, but the theory dovetails nicely with speculation we are getting characters like Dante and Master Chief. We may also be getting Mii costumes for 2B, Joanna Dark and Cacodemon, so if those or others like them don't pop up with their franchise names or logos then M theory is pretty dang close to being confirmed.
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DANTE KEEP THE STYLE. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Dante
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MASTER CHIEF FINISHES THE FIGHT. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Master Chief
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And you also talk about Mii Costume Guy talking about 2B, Cacodemon or Joanna Dark
It sounds weird. Instead of Ninja Gaiden, Doom Eternal, No More Heroes 3, Halo, Perfect Dark, Nier Automata or Devil May Cry
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MisterMike
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While I'm right there with you, I think it's pretty obvious why they most likely won't go that route. If they spent all their time making clones of already existing characters merely for the sake of getting them in there and to bumb up that character count, then not only would they not have much time or resources left to make completely new characters, people will begin to feel a bit ripped off. Also, while certain characters like Dixie and Medusa are popular enough that nobody would bat an eye if they were to be sold as extra, the same can't really be said for the likes of Dry Bowser, Ninten, Zeraora, or Zack Fair. While I'm certain they have their fans, most would look at them and go "Oh, it's just a reskin of so and so." and decide not to buy them. I mean, would you pay 3 dollarydoos for a character you don't recognize whose moveset is near identical to another character from the base game?
I thought of that, but I decided against it because I felt it may be a bit too far in terms of changes to the base moveset. Also, I kind of like the idea of Shadow's spring being taken from SA2.
Exactly. In fact, Sakurai has gone on record saying that Chrom and Dark Samus were specifically chosen due to being very popular requests from Japan and North America, respectively.
I don't think Echo Fighters can be based off of characters from a different series, or at the very least I think it's very unlikely. Also, I think Demise would be a cool Echo Fighter for Ganondorf.
I think the main reason is because it's an easy way to get certain beloved characters in the game that would otherwise be passed over, and they really want to get those characters in Smash by any means necessary. Dixie Kong for example still has quite a following even after King K. Rool got in, so people wouldn't mind much if they had to pay about 3-5 dollars for a clone of Diddy Kong, because then she would finally be in the game. Also, the fact that we already have a large amount of Donkey Kong content in Smash, from stages to music and even Spirits, she wouldn't need to come with any of that, making including her all the easier. From the fan's perspectives it's a win-win.
okamifire
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I feel like Banjo came with the important Spirits at least. I imagine Geno would come with Mallow, Smithy, Exor, Axem Rangers, Frogfucious, maybe Croc, maybe Boshi, and then maybe some random enemies unique to SMRPG? I wouldn't say more than 10 in total. But that, music, a stage (either Star Hill, Forest, or Bowser's Castle), along with Geno seems like a great pack overall.
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This is something I have been trying to research for several hours now, going so far as attempting to do the simple thing and submit a question to the ESRB by their contact form... which is broken. Imagine that... Overall, the ESRB does a pretty poor job of describing to consumers exactly how they expect the content of an advertisement to be rated.We also didn't talk about the update to M Theory.
Smash Ultimate “M Theory” suggests DLC fighter will be from M-rated game
The evidence is stacking up in favor of a popular new Smash Ultimate theory that suggests a DLC fighter will be from an M-rated franchise or game.
TLDR Advertisements are not rated by the ESRB, but there is a rating system for them. If an advertisement is talking about a compilation, the rating for the ad must reflect each individual item being advertised in the compilation. In order to keep the ESRB's E10+ rating, Nintendo would need to avoid mentioning any other games above that rating by name in the advertisement.
This could explain why the Persona logo/mentions in promo material disappeared or why we saw "Smash X Altair" but not Assassin's Creed. Since the second fighter pass is now missing the ARMS logo in all of the promo material for that, it's possible that another fighter is going to be from a T or M rated IP. You could argue it's just to keep consistency with the look of the first fighter's pass, but the theory dovetails nicely with speculation we are getting characters like Dante and Master Chief. We may also be getting Mii costumes for 2B, Joanna Dark and Cacodemon, so if those or others like them don't pop up with their franchise names or logos then M theory is pretty dang close to being confirmed.
I think there's very little question that something has made Nintendo of America decide to drop the M-Rated Persona 5 logo and change the branding of the Altair and Vault Boy costumes, and the most likely suspect is indeed the ESRB, but to assume that it means there's another M-Rated franchise character showing up is a bit of a stretch. M-Rated content? Very possible. Whole fighter? Just as likely or unlikely as any other fighter. Something I think is worth noticing is that despite the fact that the direct mini in March was rated RP-M, they still took the M rated logos off of the Smash content. So the timeline for when this change was made is between September 2019 (as they were present in the Direct), and January of 2020.
Very specifically I got into this mood because of Cacomallow, and I believe M Theory could prove that it was real, but not anymore. "Smash Bros. x DOOM" would make a lot of sense, but "Smash Bros. x Cacodemon" doesn't, really... So what if the Cacodemon hat was what they were going to go with, but they realized that they would need to be a bit more specific about the costume in order to bypass the ESRB requirement, thus they made Vault Boy so that they could say "Smash Bros. x Vault Boy". To dig a bit deeper into that, despite a notable delay on her release, Min Min still released with glitches (and muddy textures here and there), so what if the delay wasn't for Min Min, but to rapidly produce a costume? Purely speculation, of course...
Enigma735
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Yeah thats fair. I just think that Sakurai is more likely to include fan favorite-original characters over fan-favorite Echo Fighters, but anything is possible. I could be wrong, but personally I think its an odd idea honestly.
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okamifire
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Thus far having not gotten any additional echoes outside of base game, I don't know what to think Sakurai and his team would do. I will say they definitely have the opportunity to add in some fan favorites with less effort than creating a whole new moveset and stuff if they borrow from pre-existing characters. But whether they're interested in that or not hasn't been shown at all. That's gonna be the kind of thing we'll only find out if they announce it I think (sort of like no precedence of releasing stages outside of Small Battlefield).
How would it help Geno, again, if it doesn't hurt to ask?
Let Geno Smash
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I said I think it's most likely real. But it was posted on the Geno thread being that has pretty much nothing regarding Geno
Then you meant "even if it doesn't help Geno" instead of "even if it didn't help Geno"? That's how I misread the thing.
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Yeah I'm not even on the echo board that much. I guess the logic is that the Original characters would be in the Fighter Pass, and the echoes are separate bonuses. and I guess if they didn't have time to make Bonus Originals, they could at least make Bonus Echoes
Plus there's that whole thing about the Fighter CSS being a perfect square both with Echoes stacked and unstacked. We will have to see if they would do that. Sakurai has only mentioned the 5 Fighters and nothing else, so eh
Fatmanonice
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Medusa is a character that I've unironically wanted since the beginning of Ultimate. I wouldn't even care if she was "Dark Palutena." Both Hades and Medusa were really well designed in Uprising and memorable which kind of surprised me that neither wound up being bosses or assist trophies.
I heard Mario got into some pretty dark stuff from some of my contacts so let's hope it doesn't delay any announcements
Isn't the entire point of No more heroes being that there is no more heroes? I have never really touched a NMH game but due to the title I assume so. Would probably be more like Travis Strikes Again or something like how Ryus tagline was in sm4sh which to this day I despise as it kind of ruined the pace set with taglines up to that point.
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StarLight42
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Unplug your controller, dawg. Unplug your controller.
Why listen to this guy, anyway? He doesn’t even seem credible to begin with.
StarLight42
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i would definitely advise against listening to him.
still, at least we now know his stance on smash dlc lmao
pinshadow
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This guy literally said they would announce an indie direct today at 5:00 AM PST today, I know we aren't believing him but still, come on.
And it seems like Zell is going all in on the 28th. Wonder what the rest of the numbers mean.
TheCJBrine
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imo while M Theory could certainly turn out true due to the ESRB and Nintendo being weird, I think FP2 has no logos simply due to consistency in design etc., since it’d look strange to do that to FP1 but not FP2 - the same reason they removed all logos from FP1 instead of just Persona’s. Also since they could show them side-by-side in ads and stuff.
The other countries not removing the logos, and therefor not being consistent, is a weird counterpoint to me, not making much sense. It was already established they didn’t do anything to the logos since their rating boards don’t seem to care, and so they don’t need to do anything to FP2 either. NoA’s video is targeted to North America’s countries specifically, not the other countries, even if some people from the other countries watch NoA’s video anyway since their account is the main English one.
We could certainly get a rated M character like Master Chief or Doomguy, but still, this theory just feels kinda meh since they could just as easily be removing the logos for the reasons I explained above whether FP2 has a rated M character or not.
The other countries not removing the logos, and therefor not being consistent, is a weird counterpoint to me, not making much sense. It was already established they didn’t do anything to the logos since their rating boards don’t seem to care, and so they don’t need to do anything to FP2 either. NoA’s video is targeted to North America’s countries specifically, not the other countries, even if some people from the other countries watch NoA’s video anyway since their account is the main English one.
We could certainly get a rated M character like Master Chief or Doomguy, but still, this theory just feels kinda meh since they could just as easily be removing the logos for the reasons I explained above whether FP2 has a rated M character or not.
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Fatmanonice
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I hope you realize that if we're getting a Friday Direct that we're probably in for some really serious ****. Pretty sure there's never been a General on a Friday which means that this would basically be the first "weekend" General Direct ever.
pinshadow
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I still don't buy the next direct being as huge as people seem to be pushing it as. I genuinely think Nintendo just decided to scrap E3 entirely this year and just hold their Fall Direct as normal. It's going to focus mostly on what is out this year and early 2021, they're still clearly super worried about delays and they have enough games in the vaporware zone as it is.
Another thing, I'm really starting to think that the Mario collection got shoved out of September. If it was genuninely coming out next month, they would have revealed it instead of Pikmin last week. Is Nintendo seriously going to announce a collection this big a month before it's out? No, Nintendo LIKES the hype cycle. I think it's getting moved to November instead, and September is going to be... something else, likely digital, something they can just drop on the spot.
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AdamBel731
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Another day, another amazing piece of art featuring Ultimate's roster.
Looks like this is another Twitter user who I'm following so I can see their art as it updates. I'll be sure to link stuff in here when it does, as I've done before. Seriously, anyone who wants to download this art go to Twitter since it is so high quality SmashBoards won't let me link the art itself.
(I can't wait until Geno is added to this.)
Looks like this is another Twitter user who I'm following so I can see their art as it updates. I'll be sure to link stuff in here when it does, as I've done before. Seriously, anyone who wants to download this art go to Twitter since it is so high quality SmashBoards won't let me link the art itself.
(I can't wait until Geno is added to this.)
LiveStudioAudience
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I think something's happening this month though I think the ceiling for that is either an indie Direct or a Partner Showcase. I can't shake the sense that any major presentation isn't happening till September and that's when any significant releases slated for November and after get shown off. Maybe its just because doing no big general Directs for the entire Summer until late August just feels odd to me, even with the current situation.
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Lord Woomy
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People in the replies still believe every word this guy says
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So, wait, are we no longer expecting directs this coming week?
TheCJBrine
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Reminds me of LeakyPandy.
Meanwhile some truthful insiders like Kelios get ridiculed.
Izanagi97
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Man, the final week of August is gonna be packed. You got the Heart of Deimos update for Warframe on the 25th, Hajimari no Kiseki on the 27th, and this Direct is supposedly dropping on the 28th.
Lord Woomy
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It pisses me off that Kelios gets harassed off of Twitter for being correct while this fraudster still gets a buncha Twitter dummies to support him.
Powerman293
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IMO I think Cacomallow is near dead at this point. It's been 10 months and still no signs of it. And there's no good reason why Nintendo needs to make Mii Costumes a year in advance when they know it's a liability to have them sitting there for a year in case of leaks and playtesting Mii costumes shouldn't take a year.
pinshadow
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Ehhh, people seem pretty sure Nintendo is going to play their cards before the end of the month. I don't see why them doing something the last week in August is unreasonable when both the 2019 and (before it was delayed a week) the 2018 Fall Directs took place the first week of September, it's a one week difference.
Fatmanonice
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An indie on Monday is heavily implied at the moment.
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